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Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:04 PM Feb 2021

First rolling blackouts hit Nebraska after cold snap spikes power use; conserve to avoid more

Last edited Mon Feb 15, 2021, 07:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Omaha World Herald

By Aaron Sanderford

Get a blanket and some warm clothes, Nebraska. The first rolling blackouts because of this week's bitter cold have hit Nebraska. And more might be coming soon if people don't conserve power in the ways local utilities recommend.

The 17-state Southwest Power Pool, of which Nebraska utilities are members, announced at midday Monday that its members, stretching from North Dakota to Texas, were using more power than the combined utilities were producing and had tapped as much as they could of available reserve supplies.

“In our history as a grid operator, this is an unprecedented event and marks the first time SPP has ever had to call for controlled interruptions of service,” said Lanny Nickell, SPP’s executive vice president and chief operating officer. “It’s a last resort that we understand puts a burden on our member utilities and the customers they serve, but it’s a step we’re consciously taking to prevent circumstances from getting worse."

The Lincoln Electric System was among the first Nebraska utilities to announce its participation. LES officials said the power outages had started and tweeted that any such outages will last 30 to 60 minutes but might last longer.



Read more: https://omaha.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/rolling-blackouts-headed-to-nebraska-after-power-use-spikes-during-cold-snap/article_8dada6a2-6fb5-11eb-bdba-039cd8b2d9c1.html#tracking-source=home-breaking



Our power was off just over an hour. We didn't know it was a rolling black out until after the power came back on.

EDIT to add the power company just called to apologize after the email Marta sent them. Yes an actual person to person call.
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First rolling blackouts hit Nebraska after cold snap spikes power use; conserve to avoid more (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2021 OP
Scary. I hope all are safe and sound. SWBTATTReg Feb 2021 #1
Hope you don't get rolling blackouts at night! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #2
Scary. SharonClark Feb 2021 #3
Have your flashlights 🔦 and candles 🕯 ready questionseverything Feb 2021 #4
Candles have too little BTUs to heat a room 20 degrees NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #24
I have been stuck in my 🚗 in a drift for hours and know it helps questionseverything Feb 2021 #26
In a car, it's survival and will probably do it. NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #27
50 million people are months behind on rent& utilities questionseverything Feb 2021 #30
What do you consider upper class? NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #33
Upper class would be people that can afford generators questionseverything Feb 2021 #34
Interesting defintion. NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #35
Can those that have experienced this give advice and pointers? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2021 #5
The temp was -5 here when the power went out Omaha Steve Feb 2021 #6
Read post 4 questionseverything Feb 2021 #7
Very good advice re: burst water pipes Larissa Feb 2021 #15
Ty questionseverything Feb 2021 #19
Try to avoid using anything that is 220 volts. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #12
Watch the fireplace. The traditional design is a net heat loss. NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #25
As I said, close off the other rooms questionseverything Feb 2021 #28
I've lived through this before. NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #32
That matters more if you have another source of heat Major Nikon Feb 2021 #36
Just starting here in Oklahoma. Currently 1 degree here in Norman. n/t Tess49 Feb 2021 #8
Rolling blackouts and batshit crazy weather, or as we in California call it, "Thursday". Initech Feb 2021 #9
Hang in there Nebraska. Hip2bSquare Feb 2021 #10
I dated a girl from Montana once and she was telling me about emergency gear Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #14
first rolling blackouts Coyote45 Feb 2021 #11
Get past Tue morning here in Wichita and the temps start climbing for the next seven days. Bengus81 Feb 2021 #13
stupid repugs can refuse to not use power all they want when there is none to use samsingh Feb 2021 #16
Back almost 30 years ago when the Northeast & Midatlantic were plagued with ice storms BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #17
I'm there hibbing Feb 2021 #18
Don't a lot of farmers invest in their own gasoline generators? FakeNoose Feb 2021 #20
Not everyone who lives in Nebraska is a farmer. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2021 #21
I had the fewest power outages when living in a rural area. Steelrolled Feb 2021 #29
a tip for surviving rolling and other black outs AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #22
That is a really handy tip questionseverything Feb 2021 #31
Hopefully we have shutoff the interconnect lines from our part of the Great Lakes grid. roamer65 Feb 2021 #23
The blackouts continue Omaha Steve Feb 2021 #37

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
3. Scary.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:20 PM
Feb 2021

And in Texas...

Instead of rotating outages that were to last 15 to 45 minutes to manage the load, utilities experienced outages that have lasted for hours, officials with the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said in a briefing Monday.

Nearly 2.8 million customers had no electricity as of 1:30 p.m. CST, according to poweroutage.us.



source: https://weather.com/news/news/2021-02-15-winter-storm-uri-texas-power-outages-impacts

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
4. Have your flashlights 🔦 and candles 🕯 ready
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:22 PM
Feb 2021

If you lose heat, take a large metal can and put a lit candle in it

2 of those in a small room can warm the room by 20-30 degrees

We keep can/candles in our vehicles, just in case we get stuck in the winter

We once lost electricity for four days, we had gas fireplace and gas oven so we were fine but folks in all electric apartments had a rough time

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
24. Candles have too little BTUs to heat a room 20 degrees
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:34 PM
Feb 2021

It might manage to heat a room 1-2 degrees with good insulation, but most likely the room temp would need to drop until a heat flow balance was maintained, and that's probably in the 40s-50s °F.

I use this method as well as oil lamps to heat greenhouses against late spring freezes (like 29°F). It only keeps the greenhouse near 35, and this is a very small volume.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
26. I have been stuck in my 🚗 in a drift for hours and know it helps
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:47 PM
Feb 2021

If you don’t want the extra degrees don’t use them but you saying they don’t work could actually cost someone a digit

But yes it would need to be better insulated than a greenhouse

Shrugs

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
27. In a car, it's survival and will probably do it.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:56 PM
Feb 2021

A typical house room, it's a nice decoration. When I lose power in winter and can't bring the generator online (because of 2 feet of snow and blizzard conditions), I use a Kerosene heater. Safe for indoor use and with ~24,000 BTUs, it will keep a house toasty.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
30. 50 million people are months behind on rent& utilities
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:14 PM
Feb 2021

They don’t have generaters or big fancy heaters and they really don’t have the money for hours/days worth of kerosene

Obviously my advice was not for the upper class

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
33. What do you consider upper class?
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:56 PM
Feb 2021

And I pointed out the issue with candles because I know, based on experience and mechanical engineering training that it's not enough heat. If mere survival is the issue, the house will provide it. It's shelter and a secure wind break. Clothing and blankets plus the enclosed air volume will allow someone to last days without a heat source.

I have a Lowes kerosene heater and a generator because I lose power every year from some event. It's New England. Harsh winters and violent wind storms are the norm.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
35. Interesting defintion.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 11:30 PM
Feb 2021

Generators are owned by a lot of working class in my area and it only takes about 5 gallons of Kerosene to heat a house for 2-3 days @ $3.99 a gallon. The gasoline for the generator is far more expensive than the kerosene.

Are you confusing stand alone generators with portable units? I'm talking about portable generators that can be had for $300.

As for why I NEED a generator - I have Severe Obstructive Sleep Apnea. So severe that my pulse oximetry dropped to 79 during a sleep lab study. So yeah, I need my PAP machine. And that requires electricity.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
5. Can those that have experienced this give advice and pointers?
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:30 PM
Feb 2021

I’ve heard it’s going to happen here, and I don’t know how it works. I’ve turned down the thermostat for the grid, and lit the fireplace for me.

All help appreciated!

Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
6. The temp was -5 here when the power went out
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:40 PM
Feb 2021

So the fire was already going. We have a half dozen emergency lights that come on when the power goes off.

What pissed us off after the fact was that we had no warning it would happen. AFTER the power came back on we learned it was the first rolling black out.

We have unplugged items not in use. It's about all we can do.

OS

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
7. Read post 4
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 04:47 PM
Feb 2021

Turn your oven on now, let your water drip fast when power goes out and open the cabinet doors so the heat can drift to the pipes

Shut off any rooms you don’t need (unless they have water pipes)

Dress warm and get your sleeping bag/bed ready in front of that fireplace

Remember by having the fireplace you are one of the lucky ones

Larissa

(790 posts)
15. Very good advice re: burst water pipes
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:50 PM
Feb 2021

In the Northeast it was not an uncommon problem during winter cold snaps. Check the water pipes regularly during, and after, the cold snap. (Some reports are that this deep freeze could run through to the end of February.) It was weird how the pipes seem to burst just as the weather was warming up. Seriously, though, be safe.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
19. Ty
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 06:50 PM
Feb 2021

Knock on wood 🪵

We have never had frozen pipes in our house and we have been here over 35 years

But I know growing up on the farm frozen pipes could be an expensive nightmare

You be careful too!

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
12. Try to avoid using anything that is 220 volts.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:20 PM
Feb 2021

Stove, Oven, Dryer (if electric). Using the fireplace is a good idea.

Living in California, I just finally added a generator to the list of appliances any household needs.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
25. Watch the fireplace. The traditional design is a net heat loss.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:38 PM
Feb 2021

Unless you have an efficient metal heat box, the fireplace will pull more warm air up the chimney than it adds to the house. The room with the fireplace gets warmer, but outlying rooms get colder.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
28. As I said, close off the other rooms
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:03 PM
Feb 2021

I am talking survival

Your post dissing the candles for heat mentioned 40-50 degrees.....at that temperature a jacket and extra pair of socks would be enough

I am talking trying to get from frozen to just miserable

Have a great evening

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
32. I've lived through this before.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:17 PM
Feb 2021

I’ve lost heating due to furnace failures and I’ve lost power in several snow storms, twice for days. Just having an enclosed structure will keep you alive. Clothing and blankets will do the rest. What I focus on is how to save the plumbing.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. That matters more if you have another source of heat
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 05:12 AM
Feb 2021

When the fireplace becomes your only source of heat the inefficiency of more heat going up the chimney still means some of it remains. Right now it’s the only thing keeping my home above freezing.

Hip2bSquare

(291 posts)
10. Hang in there Nebraska.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:16 PM
Feb 2021

This deep freeze sure has been a doozy. It's been freezing here in Colorado and I was wondering if my furnance was going to keep up. I'm thrilled it's finally 27 degrees and the sun is shining... hopefully nothing but up from here.

Great tip on the candles...something to keep in mind. Plus hopefully we can have some real honest discussions about our grid. We are vunerable and in serious need of upgrades.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
14. I dated a girl from Montana once and she was telling me about emergency gear
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:31 PM
Feb 2021

they always keep in their car. One of the things was a candle. I asked her why? She said heat. I said how much heat can you get from a candle? She said enough to keep your fingers and toes from getting frostbitten.

Coyote45

(29 posts)
11. first rolling blackouts
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:18 PM
Feb 2021

-2 degrees. off 30 minutes starting at noon. 1st blackout i can recall.
we use bluestem electric. north central kansas. Maybe i will get a tractor started by then.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
13. Get past Tue morning here in Wichita and the temps start climbing for the next seven days.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:25 PM
Feb 2021

Hopefully around 53 by next Monday which will seem like 80. But it's clearing off here and we're looking at 10-12 below zero by morning. It was -8 this morning in Wichita.

BumRushDaShow

(128,845 posts)
17. Back almost 30 years ago when the Northeast & Midatlantic were plagued with ice storms
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 06:37 PM
Feb 2021

That was the first time I had ever heard (or at least recalled in my adult lifetime) of the term "rolling blackout". I thought the term was a joke. I initially I had to dig to find when it was because I knew it was quite some time ago and I did finally find this from a NYT archive --and it was related to the January 1994 ice storms (ugh) -

Frozen Out of Fuel, Utilities Impose Scattered Blackouts

By Matthew L. Wald

Jan. 20, 1994

(snip)

In Washington, the Federal Government sent nonessential employees home at 3 P.M. so building thermostats could be turned down and told them to stay home today too. Essential workers were told to plan to wear their overcoats in the office. The Governor of Pennsylvania declared a state of emergency at noon yesterday and sent state employees home; a spokesman for Philadelphia Electric said that by mid-afternoon most businesses in that city were closed. In New Jersey, state workers were sent home an hour early.

And utilities in most of the Northeast cut voltage or asked customers to limit use. The problem hit most severely in a utility consortium called the PJM, or Pennsylvania-Jersey-Maryland, Interconnection, an electric grid serving 22 million people spread over New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, the District of Columbia and the sliver of Virginia east of the Chesapeake Bay.

Power companies imposed blackouts neighborhood by neighborhood, from before dawn until about 1 P.M. in the district and those five states, concentrating in residential areas. The blackouts were short enough to spare residents major problems, the companies said. Officials had planned more blackouts last night, but found that voluntary conservation made that unnecessary.

First Time in Winter

At Philadelphia Electric, Bill Jones, a spokesman, said this was the first time since 1971 his company had been forced to impose rolling blackouts, and the first time in winter. Yesterday his company was trying to persuade the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency to salt the roads leading to the company's Cromby Generating Station, in Phoenixville, Pa., where an oil-fired generator had run dry. "It's been icy for two weeks and everybody's out of salt," Mr. Jones said. Oil-laden barges bound for generating stations up the Delaware River were blocked by ice floes, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/20/nyregion/frozen-out-of-fuel-utilities-impose-scattered-blackouts.html


1994 was the last time (knock on wood) that Philly recorded a below 0 temperature. That month and the next, the entire area ran out of salt - both road salt AND consumer halite products. I remember there were "truck caravans" that drove down from NY to help supply the area to do the roads. I also remember I had a work trip scheduled to Baltimore during the worst of the ice storms and I was amazingly able to cop a couple bags of halite (carried home in my suitcase) for my mom because there was absolutely nothing available anywhere in the area. Her front walk ended up being the only one on the block that was clear and dry to the pavement.

This type of thing tends to be unusal because our biggest power usage by far is during the summer for air-conditioning, but it was one of those rough winters (and we are going through a "mini" version of it right now).

So we definitely feel for you guys and have been there done that.

hibbing

(10,096 posts)
18. I'm there
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 06:43 PM
Feb 2021

Supposed to be -23 tonight. I did head out today because i had to pick up prescription. At least my car started, but it is in the garage. I may go out and start the car in the driveway...brrr! I have my thermostat set to 65, we'll see what happens with these blackouts.


Peace

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
20. Don't a lot of farmers invest in their own gasoline generators?
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 07:01 PM
Feb 2021

Not a farmer, but it stands to reason. This is nothing new, there are blackouts and brownouts all the time in rural areas. No politics here, it's all weather-related, and seasonal

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
21. Not everyone who lives in Nebraska is a farmer.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 07:43 PM
Feb 2021

There is a good size metropolitan area called OMAHA and another called LINCOLN that this is impacting.

And weather-related rolling blackouts don't happen all the time, in fact, this is a first.

AllaN01Bear

(18,159 posts)
22. a tip for surviving rolling and other black outs
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 07:49 PM
Feb 2021

if your cell phone is dead and has no power, and if your house still has a old line jack that is dead and u have a old analog phone , plug it in to call 911 even if the wall jack is dead . should have an analog phone( non cordless) nearby to call.

Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
37. The blackouts continue
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 10:47 AM
Feb 2021

Our daughter was without power. It is back on. Now Marta's office is without power.
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