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UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:36 PM Feb 2021

ERCOT to change Texas energy prices to meet high demand amid winter storm

Source: KVUE

TEXAS, USA — With nearly 4 million Texans in need of power amid the winter storm that struck the state, demand for energy is exceptionally high. The demand has exceeded the supply that the state has to offer.

As a result, the Public Utility Commission of Texas held an emergency meeting on Monday where officials introduced an order that would adjust energy prices. The order said in part, "Energy prices should reflect scarcity of the supply. If customer load is being shed, scarcity is at its maximum, and the market price for the energy needed to serve that load should also be at its highest."

The order also stated that The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), the organization that monitors Texas' power grid, should correct any past prices to reflect the current shortage of energy. However, there are caps in place in the order to make sure consumers are protected from skyrocketing prices.






Read more: https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/texas-ercot-power-outage-energy-demand-price-change/269-53ab63e2-8dcf-4485-8b9b-be6ad75316b4



This is crazy
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ERCOT to change Texas energy prices to meet high demand amid winter storm (Original Post) UpInArms Feb 2021 OP
The Not-So-Invisible Hand at work jpak Feb 2021 #1
They're Too Busy Bemoaning Green Energy to Notice Deacon Blue Feb 2021 #3
The first stories about the issue Miguelito Loveless Feb 2021 #9
One thing the invisible hand is very good at DBoon Feb 2021 #10
That's the hand... paleotn Feb 2021 #12
So, price gouging during an emergency? nt sweetloukillbot Feb 2021 #2
A Violation of the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act? Deacon Blue Feb 2021 #4
Hidden behind the verbiage, that's exactly what they're going to do--raise the rates a lot. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2021 #19
greed nt msongs Feb 2021 #5
It's not like we have a choice to turn the heat off when it's 5 degrees outside. Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #6
LOL "caps in place to protect consumers" durablend Feb 2021 #7
I love it when the Electric companies DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #13
And when they send the notices out they should have down in the letter/ bill turbinetree Feb 2021 #8
This is where OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #11
Well, they better not get too wild with their rates... Trueblue Texan Feb 2021 #14
That is so wrong UpInArms Feb 2021 #15
'the market price for the energy needed to serve that load should also be at its highest." elleng Feb 2021 #16
Price gouging JackHughes Feb 2021 #17
shades of Enron lapfog_1 Feb 2021 #18

Deacon Blue

(252 posts)
3. They're Too Busy Bemoaning Green Energy to Notice
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 03:58 PM
Feb 2021

...based on shoddy and already debunked (by Bloomberg) reporting by the Wall Street Urinal...to notice the fleecing and gouging happening in real time right before their noses. Cold weather states in the mid- and upper mid- west are doing just fine with turbines, winterized with heated oil sumps and leading edges.

And ercot’s website says wind is generating more that anticipated, especially along the coast.

Oh the Invisible Hand of the Marketplace (Adam Smith uses that phrase exactly one time in the Wealth of Nations) reaching into the wallets of Texans to make sure energy companies are well-cared for. Life in the Reddest of States...

Miguelito Loveless

(4,457 posts)
9. The first stories about the issue
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:57 PM
Feb 2021

were based on AP interviewing grid operators and uncritically reporting what they said. Which is kind of like reporting Exxon's explanation for an oil spill.

paleotn

(17,901 posts)
12. That's the hand...
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 08:21 PM
Feb 2021

that comes from behind, picking your pocket when you're not looking. It's related to pick pocketing.

Deacon Blue

(252 posts)
4. A Violation of the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act?
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:05 PM
Feb 2021

Oh yes, ever since Hurricane Ike, if not before. Unless the Public Utility Commission gives ercot, Chesapeake, Austin Energy et al. a pass. Can they? Hey, it’s oil (pronounced ‘awl’) n’ gas, so what they say goes. Maybe there’s a hell of a class action there, unless the Leg outlawed those, or the adhesive service contracts we all agree to require individual arbitration of every single consumer complaint (which is entirely OK with the US Supreme Court, even before the absurd D***p-shit rubber-stamped Federalist Society-approved appointments).

19. Hidden behind the verbiage, that's exactly what they're going to do--raise the rates a lot.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:00 PM
Feb 2021

Yay, free market! "Now that you've been screwed by Mother Nature, we're going to make it a lot worse. And don't even think about asking the federal government for help, because, you know, socialism."

I'd like to feel sorry for Texans, but they keep electing these Repugs. No, I do feel sorry for Texans. The weather isn't their fault, but the people they put in charge of their state are.

BTW, this is an example of global warming. Usually the jet stream goes directly west to east across the U.S., but because the Pacific Ocean is heating up, it's creating a bubble of warm air which is pushing the jet stream north. It loops over northern Canada, where it grabs a chunk of freezing air and brings it our way. So I guess the citizens of South Park were right when they sang, "Blame Canada!"

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
6. It's not like we have a choice to turn the heat off when it's 5 degrees outside.
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:21 PM
Feb 2021

This is nothing more than taking advantage of an extreme weather situation to make more money. People can just choose to go without heat if they don’t have the money to pay the higher costs. Truly obnoxious.

DENVERPOPS

(8,802 posts)
13. I love it when the Electric companies
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 08:46 PM
Feb 2021

throw around terms like KWH, knowing full well that maybe one percent of their clients understand just how much that is.

I am old and have forgotten soooo much, but I think 25$ per KWH = turning on ten 100W bulbs for ONE hour. Probably, the furnace motors use much more than that AN HOUR.............And heaven forbid you have electric heat registers or an electric furnace in your house....

...get out your calculators, Texans. AND THEN get on the phone and everyone call your Texas legislators continuously for the rest of the month....................

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
8. And when they send the notices out they should have down in the letter/ bill
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 04:37 PM
Feb 2021

Greed Is Good..........see what happens when you sell off public utilities to private companies........

OldBaldy1701E

(5,112 posts)
11. This is where
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 07:18 PM
Feb 2021

the Fed needs to jump in and take control of all the power generation in the state of Texas, and toss those greedy bastards out the door. Only allow materials and supplies from Federal sources and nothing from Texas itself. Do not let anyone from that state make one red cent from any aspect of this emergency. Then, once this emergency is over and things are back to the levels they were at, the Fed can leave and let the good people of Texas remember who kept them from freezing to death. And, if they decide not to remember this... well, the next time this happens, and it will... they can strap on those 'secesh' booties they so desperately want to wear.

Trueblue Texan

(2,424 posts)
14. Well, they better not get too wild with their rates...
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 08:48 PM
Feb 2021

...cuz I’ve had less than 5 hours of power in the last 48 hours and I’m definitely not a happy camper. 😾. Plus my patients on oxygen concentrators couldn’t get any help from electrical suppliers or oxygen suppliers. NOT acceptable!

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
15. That is so wrong
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 09:35 PM
Feb 2021

My mother was on an oxygen concentrator ...

I always knew hat her oxygen bottles were a power loss backup

elleng

(130,822 posts)
16. 'the market price for the energy needed to serve that load should also be at its highest."
Tue Feb 16, 2021, 09:37 PM
Feb 2021

NATURALLY!!!

BITE IT, suckers!

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
18. shades of Enron
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:29 AM
Feb 2021

and the fake energy crises in California in early 2000s.

we wrongly recalled Grey Davies and installed the governator... who was going to "open the books"... only he found the books were already open and California had been scammed by Enron ( and others ).

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