Leaked Audio Captures Romney Asking Employers To Tell Their Employees How To Vote
Source: Think Progress
Leaked Audio Captures Romney Asking Employers To Tell Their Employees How To Vote
By Annie-Rose Strasser on Oct 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Newly-discovered audio from a conference call in June captures Mitt Romney asking business owners to urge their employees to vote for him.
Romney, speaking on a call to the very conservative National Federation of Independent Business, tells a group of business owners that they should “make it very clear” how they feel about the candidates. He also tells the business owners to “pass… along to your employees” how their jobs might be effected by who wins in November:
I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope — I hope you pass those along to your employees. Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.
Listen at 26:44:
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/17/1037881/leaked-audio-romney-employers/
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scheming daemons
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ClusterFreak
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Cha
(319,062 posts)fasttense
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This is coercion plain and simple. Here's the law, which is still on the books:
A condensed form of 18 USC Sec. 594 (US Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 29, Section 594):
Whoever intimidates, threatens, coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, at any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing such candidate, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
What Romney is telling these filthy rich RepubliCONS is to commit an illegal act. Plain and simple.
connecticut yankee
(1,730 posts)the Dems do something about this. Such as making a campaign commercial, or better yet, reporting it to the DOJ.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)Cha
(319,062 posts)
Happyhippychick
(8,422 posts)I hope this finishes this scum sucking piece of shit douchebag assmunch off.
Excuse my french.
Baitball Blogger
(52,341 posts)They will be telling you how to live your life and how to vote, if you're lucky to get employed.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)
imanamerican63
(16,173 posts)I wonder how the right would react if Obama was out their telling the Americans how to vote???? I am glad he only asking for our vote. These self righteous people makes me sick!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)goclark
(30,404 posts)"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections."
stubtoe
(1,862 posts)but then the rules are always different for conservatives.
/sarcasm
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)
Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)What a co-inky-dinky! 
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)getting nailed for it, but a jury could find "specific intent" from the tape! If only we had a real A.G., instead we have Eric Holdup!
speedoo
(11,229 posts)And they are now doing his bidding. Wish Tweety had this before today's show.
ailsagirl
(24,287 posts)I've always heard it as em-PLOY-ees
This should get some play-- definitely
grantcart
(53,061 posts)
beac
(9,992 posts)That's the part he'll try to use to say there's nothing wrong with what he said... as if he didn't know the "very conservative" group he was speaking to was extremely unlikely to have even ONE Obama supporter.
What an ass. 
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)they'll be able to CHECK your ballot after you've voted to see if you get to keep your job!
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)I don't see what is wrong about the boss expressing an opinion on the candidate as Romney suggested. You may not accept his statements, but he did not tell the owners to order their employees to vote for him or to tell them they would lose their jobs if Romney loses.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Kind of reminds me of the small-time hood who walks into a business and says to the owner, "Nice place you got here. Hate to see anything happen to it."
-or-
"Nice family you have there..."
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durablend
(9,267 posts)"Wouldn't want your position to be 'eliminated' the day after you voted for the 'wrong' person, now would you?"
frylock
(34,825 posts)
Control-Z
(15,686 posts)and recommended.
Happyhippychick
(8,422 posts)influence it are a heinous violation.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)telling their members how to vote? Bosses have constitutional rights and opinions as well. The beautiful thing is that employers can't follow their employees into the voting booth. What if a candidate absolutely says I will shut down a particular business (which is your business) if elected. Don't you think the boss might want to communicate that information to his/her employees?
We have a marketplace of ideas for a reason. Trust me I am no supporter of Romney, but I still feel complaints about what he said in this regard are weak at best. He is absolutely wrong about hiking the marginal tax rate based upon what happened under Clinton or Bush, but the employer still has the right to say what he believes.
imanamerican63
(16,173 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:39 PM - Edit history (1)
My father quit the union, because of them pushing him to do what these owners are doing. If you feel that you want to vote than don't. What your are doing is just as bad as the right wing nuts, looking to pick a fight when the facts are not in your favor!
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)of the various policy positions of politicians that are running for election. I believe unions do this as well. Certain decisions in Washington, DC will have an impact on my employer and ultimately me if my employer cannot keep operating. I see nothing wrong with it (the PAC they have I do have a problem with though). If an employer says, "I will close this factory if Obama is reelected." I would have to question whether the owner was sincere in his/her belief or just trying to bully me. There are cases in which that will be true. Do you think green energy companies are silent in their communication to employees about what a Romney win would mean to them? Should they stay silent?
spooky3
(38,631 posts)Members than employers have over their employees. Unions can be voted out by employees. And unions are present in fewer than 10% of private workplaces today. Bosses are present in just about all of them.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The Myth of "Union Thug Bosses" is Right Wing hyperbole.
imanamerican63
(16,173 posts)But when an owner of a company goes on tv and says it publicly what he is going to do if Obama win, is just wrong as is someone who force others to vote the same as they do! You are barking up the wrong tree and I think you belong to a right wing company who forces you to believe what they feed you for lunch. It's amazing when the facts are out there, some people can't believe the truth or say something that is not true. Hum?? Are you a republican??? Then quit trying to hide behind that shade of red!
Happyhippychick
(8,422 posts)
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)my veracity on this point. I think Romney is absolutely the worst candidate a major party has put forward in my memory (and that includes incredibly Bush II). I do like to be fair. I have given Obama a level of financial support that I have never given to another candidate for President before.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Union members are Members of their particular Unions. The Union leadership works for the members and it is within their responsibility to report to their members the facts as they see them on issues that will have an affect on their members.
An employer does indeed have a right to their opinion and a right to express that opinion up to the point where it becomes voter intimidation. Telling their employees that they may lose their job if "Person A" is elected or if "Person B" is not elected to office just might be crossing that line. If my employer made such a statement through whatever means, they would get in return a lecture from me on the right to vote & the secret ballot along with a report to the appropriate Local, State & Federal agencies.
spooky3
(38,631 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)
calimary
(90,010 posts)I really need to focus on that, today in particular.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)In 2008 I voted as soon as the polls opened and got to the office when the parking deck was fairly empty. When I went down at lunch there was a McCain/Palin flyer on every car, including mine. This is on private property.
I went to the office of the property management company and raised a verbal complaint which I followed up with a strong letter to them as well. I then contacted my employer and the other major tenants in the building.
The basic thrust of my letter was that I feel the right to vote was very personal and I did not feel it was appropriate to be solicited, on private property, to be solicited to vote for any candidate or support any political issue. This is especially true when the owner of the property leases office space to a broad array of businesses that may not agree with the property owner. And the leasing businesses have employees that may not agree with the solicitation.
The property management company wrote a letter of apology. They stated they were not aware the activity was going on but would look at surveillance video and pursue further. They have clearly posted "No Solicitation" signs. They agreed that solicitation means any manner of solicitation since this is private property. I never heard anything back from them but I do intend to contact them in advance of this year's election they may want to have someone monitoring the parking deck.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)you do not have a clue about how the unions pick candidates or what they can legally and ethically do during an election cycle.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)At uaw.org "Solidarity - Obama/Biden".
PSPS
(15,320 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Because in 23 years mine has never told me how to vote or even made any suggestions one way or the other.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)Listen to the candidates talk about education and two distinct visions quickly emerge: President Obama positions public education as the cornerstone of a thriving middle class and healthy economy, while Candidate Romney often refers to education as the exclusive domain of those with the means to attain it.
Not saying I disagree. Romney is an utter disaster, but at least two unions endorse Obama over Romney.
From uaw.edu - "Solidarity - Obama/Biden"
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)is not saying "If you dont vote for our guy, we're kicking you out of the union".
That is precisely what these business owners are saying "If you don't vote for mittiot, then I'm kicking you out of your job".
If you can't see that difference, then you are lost.
Not only that, but these business owners are basing their employees livelihoods on what 300 million other adults do by Nov. 6--and now can those employees be held responsible for 300 million other votes? Do you not see how stupid that is on it's face?
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)People don't fear for their jobs if they don't follow their union's endorsement.
And while your employer may not be able to follow you into the voting booth, they can make reasonable assumptions if you have an Obama bumper sticker on your car or if you've ever made a statement supporting a Democrat.
NBachers
(19,438 posts)if they don't elect Robme. Does this cross any lines in your opinion?
There's a pattern of threats like this. Now we have Romney urging business owners to influence their employees to vote for him.
Connected?
Coincidence?
No connection whatsoever?
What do you think?
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Trust me, is that like, I borrowed at prime, the Ferrari is paid for, etc?
Your endorsement of "or else" by these criminals is NOTHING like choice as given to Union members, because it's obvious you've never belonged to a Union.
Not from around here are ya son?
imanamerican63
(16,173 posts)You can't tell me that Romney should be voted into office on the merits of a rich business owner telling his workers, that they would loose their job if Obama wins a 2nd term? This is not a 3rd world country, we have right to vote for who we believe is the best for the job and not who has influence or money. Also, we have heard from one owner who has told his workers that he would close down if Obama wins and I don't think this right! They are only adding to the discourse of the country. I usually don't argue with anyone, but you have hit my button. There are people who try to make some american's vote invalid, I will fight for my rights, your and everyone's else.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)"Make it very clear to your employees what is the best interest of their enterprise. Pass it along to your employees". Now you may argue that Romney is wrong about what is the best interest of the enterprise, but I see no urge to threaten employees with this suggestion. I can give you one enterprise in which a vote for Romney would be better than a vote for Obama - defense contracting. Each has made their position clear. Now I agree with Obama on defense spending (actually I would like to see it cut even more), but the employer has the right to make the case with the employee.
Now making the case for shutting your business down for the difference between a 28% marginal rate and a 39.6% seems far more dicey, but don't employers have the right to at least make the case? Especially if the case also includes additional costs of hiring workers related to ACA. The Urban Institute says costs will go up for mid size employers with 100-1000 employees (spending up 9.5%).
At some point a break point exists for employers in which they can no longer run a business if the profitability is insufficient to justify the effort (other options exist for their capital and entrepreneurial labor). What that break point is should be a discussion for employers and their employees.
imanamerican63
(16,173 posts)Wow, he would be last person I would paraphrasing!
aquart
(69,014 posts)exboyfil
(18,359 posts)manufacturer sending around a summary to his/her employees of the policy positions of both candidates and stating that one favors them over another (to the point that they would probably have to close the doors if Romney is elected). Would that be considered voter intimidation?
patrice
(47,992 posts)rationale on a specific concrete issue.
Promoting less direct, possibly completely unrelated, distinctly probable fear about generalities that include questions about things like Roe v. Wade that are determinative to the outcome of the question, but NOT to the specific enterprises themselves in which people are employed and yet being threatened by those more global circumstances is not the same thing as the example that you cite.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)Your employer should stay out of your political life...period.
+1
patrice
(47,992 posts)to a certain question, what would your attitude toward ALL of the possible answers to that certain question be?
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Boiled down to essentials, they all pretty much say, "If Obama wins, your job is at risk."
They're not direct threats to the individual worker threatening termination based on their vote, minimally veiled warnings, that the workforce will be downsized if he does.
Something those employees might want to consider, more terminations happen under a Republican regulatory environment than a Democratic.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)to the employer forum. No threat is found in it.
daleo
(21,317 posts)Politically, it looks dodgy, but certainly it's not illegal. It's bad optics for Romney.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)If you don't see that as intimidation you are either naive or on the wrong board.
Azathoth
(4,677 posts)Romney suggesting that CEOs "encourage" their employees to vote Republican is the same as the Godfather suggesting that one of his captains "encourage" the local grocery store owner to pay protection money. Judging from the memos that are leaking out, it's clear that the CEOs, like the mob captains, got the implied message loud and clear.
The Wielding Truth
(11,433 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,689 posts)While I - and others - have problems with that Act, its stated purpose was to insulate federal employees from perceived coercion by whatever political party was in power. Its true purpose may have been something else.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939
The action as suggested by Romney and as reportedly practiced by some employers is exactly the type of perceived - if not actual - coercion that is forbidden by the Hatch Act. So, as I understand your comments, you have no problem with this perceived - if not actual - coercion in the private sector.
Your response about unions telling their membership how to vote is a red herring. A union does not have the power to hire and fire, as does an employer.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....how it works when the leader of any group makes a suggestion...it gets carried out like an order.
Wise up.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)When has "vote for me or you lose your jobs" been a winning political strategy?
It's merely extortion and nothing else!
kiranon
(1,739 posts)to threaten them with loss of their jobs/livelihood, if they do not vote for him? Is this audio tape for real? Who would be so low to do this as a campaign strategy? Is this an Onion story - it's so hard to tell anymore?
skeewee08
(1,983 posts)sakabatou
(46,141 posts)
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I don't want to see his face, hear his voice or read about him after Nov.
I thought I hated Bush...
Control-Z
(15,686 posts)I really couldn't stand Bush. But this POS - damn, I loathe him.
oldbanjo
(690 posts)calimary
(90,010 posts)Huffington Post ran this story too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_hp_ref=politics#slide=1421303
Glad to see the story is starting to spread. To me, it IS extortion. Veiled maybe, but extortion nonetheless, or conspiracy to commit extortion.
All I want is to see myth and her ladyship ayn of dressage go back to Utah. Or Massachusetts. Or Michigan. Or La Jolla CA. Or wherever-the-hell they claim as their home state this week. I hope we never hear from him OR her again.
aquart
(69,014 posts)
Kurovski
(34,657 posts)That asshole has no more captured half of America's votes than Wetzelbill/Kurovski did.
It's why he has to encourage people to do crap like this.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)
tanyev
(49,284 posts)
JB126
(165 posts)vote for me so I can protect your right to send their jobs to China. Heartless asshat!
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)3. Voter registration fraud; 4. Outright lies repeatedly played on TV in commercials by not just the super packs, but by the Romney campaign; 5. The racists dog whistles used by, not only by surrogates, but by Romney himself, including the birtherism; and now 6. This, at a minimum, a grey area request which, depending on how far the employer goes with it, will be in many instances a felony of voter intimidation. They have spent almost 1 billion dollars to get elected and used almost every dirty trick except one, which can only occur during the voting. I predict that they will fix the election by tampering with the vote count. They will use what is called "King computers" which will be inserted in the middle of the connection between the reporting precincts and the election headquarters where the votes are tabulated. These King computers can pose as the Headquarters to the precincts, and the precincts to the Headquarters. In the middle they can review the totals reported and change them however they want to win, then report the fraudulent totals to the Headquarters. It was already done in Ohio in 2004. The man who was the link between the company in Tn. that did the hack, and Carl Rove & Co, died in a mysterious plane crash right before he was to testify (sorry I cannot recall his name but one of you can find it I am sure). For more information just Google Stephen Spoonamore and electronic voting machines. He is a Republican who is the expert that lived to testify before Congress and in the FBI's investigation.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)One of the most Evil Devils in the Details, that it appears we didn't even see coming,
but here it is .. BAM. Thom Hartman had someone on yesterday, who talked about this.
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=68153
2on2u
(1,843 posts)hate stepping in that stuff.
patrice
(47,992 posts)At will employment assumes that employees have the same free will in regards to employment as employers have in regards to hiring them. It assumes that their powers and opportunities are equal and that isn't true.
An employee's life context limits their possible employers and their criteria for employers are limited to traits that are directly related to employment specific traits and characteristics. This is a severely restricted one to a limited few relationship.
For a given job, employers have their choice, for WHATEVER criteria, of multitudes of employees for any given position and those criteria can include things that have little or nothing to do with actual job performance. This is an un-restricted one to un-limited many relationship.
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)1. This is illegal, or at least some of the people who did that did so in a way that is illegal
2. Rmoney is as dumb as a box of rocks.
mountain grammy
(29,034 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)RICO applies.
annabanana
(52,804 posts)This is despicable. This is how he ALWAYS talks when he things ordinary people aren't listening.
glinda
(14,807 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Now Rmoney wants to do the same with the entire country.
His cult church members and the brownshirt teabaggers are salivating at the prospect I'm sure.
Night is falling over America.....
allinthegame
(132 posts)is what makes it so unbelievable that people actually claim to be "undecided". What more does Mitt have to do to turn voters
off?
jmondine
(1,649 posts)Pure and simple.
These employers are communicating to their employees in the role of their bosses, through official channels, that the result of an election, and therefore how they vote in that election, will affect their jobs, something that the employer has the power to take away from them.
They can hide behind the specifics of the words, say they didn't threaten any specific consequence for any specific action against any specific employee, claim that they were just exercising free speech and expressing an opinion. But the inference is screamingly obvious. The purpose is to scare the employee in to voting a certain way by threatening their livelihood.
And now we know that Romney encourages this.
imgbitepolitic
(179 posts)Rich and white = right, card; its easy to fool folks.
MissNostalgia
(159 posts)He hates rules.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)yellowcanine
(36,788 posts)way. Your employer should not be telling you how to vote. No way. Republicans would be screaming bloody murder if Obama had done this with Chrysler or GM for example.
benld74
(10,285 posts)
doublethink
(7,331 posts)First it is a 'Veiled threat' bordering on voter intimidation. Romney is again playing semantics here with his words just like he tried to do last night in his 'act of terror vs terrorism' rant etc... etc... He obviously looked into the the 'legality' of what he said in this tape to being held accountable here, otherwise he wouldn't of brought up the word 'Illeagal' in his comments. Yes he could be taken to court on this ...
Second ... and maybe more importantly right now is to get this whole tape to David Corn, Mother Jones ... other truth seekers .. etc.. spread it far and wide because ... there is a lot more in this tape to be picked apart, from what I heard on my first listen through, dealing with the EPA, OSHA, work safety, his use of the word Jobs and not using the phrase American Jobs, Using the phrase 'Individual Code' in finally nailing down his plan for a 20% tax break across the board, as opposed to his statement that higher income people will not pay any less in Taxes ... etc... the guy is a weasel !!! Backs right to work laws (meaning say goodbye to minimum wage) ON and on and on and on ...
SPREAD THIS TAPE TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS. K&R.
patrice
(47,992 posts)from discussing specific issues that could have relatively probable concrete effects upon specific enterprises.
doublethink
(7,331 posts)that the IQ of the average U.S citizen can understand, that is for sure. He is fogging it up, which makes him and his advisors more dangerous then the Bush Clan. 
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,695 posts)Or is it because he soiled his magic underwear?
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)The GOP are unqualified to be leaders no matter where. To intimidate your employees is an affront to all of your workers and is unacceptable.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)doublethink
(7,331 posts)+ 2
Digit
(6,163 posts)It will NOT go over well.....
onenote
(46,139 posts)Instances where employers have actually made statements to employees about voting for Romney haven't scratched the surface. This one, where Romney explicitly covered his ass by referring to both himself and Obama ("whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view"
means that this isn't going to be a mainstream story or even a significant viral moment.
grammiepammie
(81 posts)"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections." With this fragile economy and people afraid of losing their jobs, if the company tells them that a vote for Obama means that it could jeopardize their job, that is voter intimidation and Romney shows his true colors. All he cares about is winning at any cost. Shame on him. I think this is important.
Digit
(6,163 posts)Romney may have covered his ass "legally", but the intent is clear and I find it offensive romney would attempt this and so will many others.
onenote
(46,139 posts)But I just don't think its going to happen. I certainly haven't seen any evidence of it so far, but would love to be proved wrong.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Ho ho ho!
surrealAmerican
(11,879 posts)... just think how he must be feeling now.
k & r
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)election and now they are gonna tell their employees who to vote for of if that doesn't work threaten them with loss of employment. I believe that is illegal. RETWEETED
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)It's all just slimy!
George II
(67,782 posts)
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)...big business will screw over anyone and EVERYONE if Romney gets in there, with NO accountability, no checks on their power, and the people are going to get steamrolled.
lexw
(804 posts)NBachers
(19,438 posts)BlueStateBlue
(518 posts)
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)
TomCADem
(17,837 posts)Walsh is now flagrantly encouraging business owners to threaten to fire employees for voting Democratic.
judesedit
(4,592 posts)ultimatum basically. Or what? Obama is giving tax cuts to companys keeping the jobs here. What a total asshole. He should be exiled from this country. He's already bilked millions out of us. What a fake. What a fraud. What a creep. What a greedy, selfish, lying bastard Rob-me is.
Kablooie
(19,107 posts)They can say there will be dire consequences if one candidate owns and people may be fired but that doesn't force someone to vote a certain way.
And they can't threaten individuals over their vote because the vote is secret.
We may not like it but I think companies are free to express their opinions and predict the effects of a vote.
dchill
(42,660 posts)At first I thought this thread was a joke! It's THAT far-fetched. This creature recognizes no decency. He is truly corrupt and weak-willed.
I realize that what I just typed would be true in any case.
sunwyn
(494 posts)
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)get to his pitch to the pigs.
oldbanjo
(690 posts)listen to 26:44 area.
OhZone
(3,216 posts)
JHB
(38,210 posts)...and was preparing his Etch-A-Sketch shake and expected to coast to a win on the economy (which he expected to work against Obama).
How many pot-holes has that plan run into since then?
I can't listen to all of it right now. What other gems are in this little time capsule?
oldbanjo
(690 posts)enough to think that the people of this Country, that is not ruled by a King, would allow them buy the Election and rule like they are Kings? That takes a lot bigger balls that any of them have.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....to make this go viral. An ad needs to come out about this immediately!
Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and any other social media should utilized to the fullest.
Pryderi
(6,772 posts)
Maineman
(854 posts)I listened to the whole recording which included the often heard Republican talking point that small business owners are scared, and not sure what to expect, etc., etc. Empathizing with business owners, he also talked about how they take risks to start a business, borrowing money from family, maxing out their credit cards, going deeply into debt to start or run their business. No doubt most people starting small businesses know that the failure rate is high for new businesses. So, these people have gone deeply into debt, are taking a big risk to start a business that might not succeed, and oh my, they are scared. Duh!! It is not Obama's fault they are scared.
Jankyn
(253 posts)
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)Even if it isn't illegal, this tape in light of recent CEO telling employees to vote Rmoney or else is pretty telling. I tweeted Maddow. I always hope I'll tweet them a story or something I haven't seen on TV and they'll pick it up. Hasn't happened but I'll keep trying.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Remember Bush's comment about being a dictator?
One in the same. Just like all of the rest of the fascists.
If only the stupid ones who vote could spot the difference between a vulture and a dove.