U.S. billionaire wins battle to keep anglers off his giant ranch near Merritt
Source: Kamloops This Week
Stan Kroenke wins battle to stop anglers from accessing lakes on his ranch, even though the lakes are owned by the public.
One of the richest men in the world has won the right to stop anglers from accessing two lakes on his mammoth ranch, even though the lakes are owned by the public.
The B.C. Appeal Court ruled on Friday (March 5) that U.S. billionaire Stan Kroenke, owner of the Douglas Lake Ranch, the largest ranch in Canada, can block the public from crossing his property to fish on Stoney and Minnie lakes, even though the lakes are Crown property.
Because B.C. government laws fail to protect the publics right to travel on private land to get to publicly owned lakes and streams, the Appeal Court judge overruled portions of Justice Joel Groves 2018 decision, which had criticized the RCMP and government staff for collaborating over many years with Kroenkes ranch staff to deny fishers access.
Read more: https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/u-s-billionaire-wins-battle-to-keep-anglers-off-his-giant-ranch-near-merritt-1.24290864
The rich get to keep all the toys.
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)of bs. Asshole.
riversedge
(70,088 posts)Bo Zarts
(25,390 posts)Stat.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)Yeehah
(4,568 posts)I hope this gets reversed somehow.
James48
(4,427 posts)They just need a DeHavilland Beaver
Justice
(7,185 posts)One of my favorite planes.
FakeNoose
(32,596 posts)You never know!
FoxNewsSucks
(10,422 posts)why exactly is it that we need billionaires?
They should all be taxed back to being mere millionaires.
2naSalit
(86,332 posts)Billionaire governor of Montana, before he got into office. Several legal suits and new laws had to be fashioned to keep public access to the rivers intact.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)to essentially turn a public beach into his own private beach. I may be mistaken, but I believe he bought the land with the intent of doing that.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)Journeyman
(15,025 posts)- Anatole France
Yeehah
(4,568 posts)The law in any civilized nation must be about justice and fairness.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)You back up my point.
It's a worthy goal, though.
Yeehah
(4,568 posts)If the goal is to have just and fair laws, then the law is all about justice and fairness. If a law is found to have unjust results, it must be changed.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But not really anything beyond that.
Alpeduez21
(1,749 posts)He quoted Thomas Aquinas who quoted St. Augustine: "An unjust law is no law at all."
But, yeah, it's a real humanitarian who thinks laws only exist for the sake of law.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)The Christian Bible was used to rationalize/justify slavery.
What did St. Augustine say about slavery?
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,749 posts)See he didn't think laws don't exist for fairness or justice. He felt, as do I, that laws are meant to uphold justice. To enhance the greater good and prevent the abuse of the weak at the hands of the strong. Your counter point against your point that law is amoral is to use clearly immoral laws as examples of why I and many others who think laws can be just or fair should not think that way. It may not be known by you but laws were written and then enforced to prevent all of those once legal behaviors. See, people decided all that behavior was bullshit and shouldn't be allowed. Then a whole bunch of people expended A LOT of effort to change those laws so more fair and just behavior could be enforced.
If we all thought as you claimed in your post then all that stuff would still be going on. Just b/c bad laws existed does not mean the law is unfair and unjust and, thus, legality should not be thought of as fair or just. It means a bunch of power hungry assholes decided to be power hungry assholes.
keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)You prove my point.
Alas. St Augustine was an insignificant cleric of the time concerning slavery. The majority Christian Church, both Catholic and later Protestant, considered slavery to be legal for well over a thousand years past St Augustine's time.
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keithbvadu2
(36,667 posts)Legal laws can be unjust.
If that is wrong, say so.
bringthePaine
(1,727 posts)melm00se
(4,986 posts)I agree with the court in this case.
It is not the role of the court to create laws out of thin air. That shatters the concept of separation of powers and checks and balances which exist on almost every democratic country.
Jedi Guy
(3,175 posts)I can understand why he might not be keen about randos meandering around his property. I wouldn't be all that fond of people trundling through my yard, either. Not every visitor is going to be polite and respectful when it comes to littering, for instance.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)allow you access to it.
How much he is worth (monetarily) is irrelevant. He owns the land and therefore has a right to determine who can and cannot use it. If the Canadian government wants to allow access, then he should be compensated. I am guessing that he has had issues with people treating the area with some disregard in the past...but again, just a guess.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)They were used in the past when the previous owners had the property, but this owner has now blocked access. A similar thing has been occurring here on Vancouver Island where logging companies are blocking access to roads and trails through their cut permits that have previously been open.
LogicFirst
(571 posts)DBoon
(22,340 posts)make the landowner's life miserable
Ziggysmom
(3,394 posts)Their stores and employment practices suck. Never shopped there and I never will.
modrepub
(3,491 posts)So couldn't this be used by conservatory agencies or wealthy conservationists to buy up important waypoints for migrating birds to keep hunters away from them or buy up important water areas and keep anglers and poachers off of them? Seems like this ruling could also be used to assisted stressed wildlife.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)Griefbird
(96 posts)Nevertheless, my wife and I lived in a place where a good sized stream ran between our house and our garage 40 feet away (we had no vehicle access across the creek). As fisherpersons worked their way downstream from the Boy Scout land onto our front yard, we did not hesitate to discourage them from continuing to fish there. While some were polite, the majority of them stood in our yard and argued with us that they had a right to be there; but in fact, their rights ended at the water's edge.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...And then ferry in local fisherman in by helicopter. Flying over his house each way of each trip.