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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:06 AM Mar 2021

FDA urges COVID19 patients to stop self-medicating with dangerous anti-parasite drug intended for...

Source: New York Daily News


FDA urges COVID-19 patients to stop self-medicating with dangerous anti-parasite drug intended for horses

2021/3/5 22:52 (EST)

A spike in hospitalizations is causing the Food and Drug Administration to warn the public against equine-grade ivermectin — an anti-parasite drug.

“The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses,” the FDA said Friday.

The NIH has not approved the drug to treat coronavirus for humans, nor is it a an anti-viral remedy. The FDA says large doses of ivermectin can cause “serious harm,” and that symptoms of an overdose include comas, seizures, vomiting and diarrhea. It can also be fatal.

CNN reports ivermectin has anti-inflammatory properties and had given indications in lab studies that it can stop COVID-19 from replicating. A double-blind study among 500 adults in Colombia reportedly shortened symptoms by two days according to respondents. It was not deemed a significant breakthrough.


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FDA urges COVID19 patients to stop self-medicating with dangerous anti-parasite drug intended for... (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2021 OP
We would have a lot fewer people self-medicating KS Toronado Mar 2021 #1
And we'd have a lot fewer if people weren't stupid frazzled Mar 2021 #3
$8 at Tractor Supply Bayard Mar 2021 #5
As I said, stupid frazzled Mar 2021 #6
I doubt people this stupid are getting prescriptions from their doctors Bayard Mar 2021 #8
Well, I used to have severe and painful back spasms. Literally put me flat for days maxrandb Mar 2021 #9
Bigeloil? Chakaconcarne Mar 2021 #10
You're lucky frazzled Mar 2021 #12
Probably Absorbine Jr catchnrelease Mar 2021 #26
Absorbine Jr is the human version; the equine version is Absorbine (no Jr.) jmowreader Mar 2021 #27
Oh right catchnrelease Mar 2021 #29
I've used the equine gel version before on a bad old hamstring Bayard Mar 2021 #32
For lube?????................... nt Hotler Mar 2021 #36
LOL - you must be former Navy maxrandb Mar 2021 #37
You are right. It is not the same stuff. HUAJIAO Mar 2021 #15
At the beginning of the pandemic people tried taking drugs made for aquariums jmowreader Mar 2021 #28
Yes, I was going to say that my cats have taken it before, and I think it's easily available. catrose Mar 2021 #13
It's not the same as ivermectin for humans... HUAJIAO Mar 2021 #14
The vaccination is free tirebiter Mar 2021 #2
"They're safe and they're cheap and they just might be incredibly effective," said Sen. Ron Johnson dalton99a Mar 2021 #4
I do hope RonJon takes a massive dose. Hey, I also hope a ton of R's in red states jump on this... machoneman Mar 2021 #7
Well...if the fda is warning against it....... Chakaconcarne Mar 2021 #11
I actually know someone in her 30s who used this with some success. oldsoftie Mar 2021 #16
Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #17
Thank you for that! My friend also had it when she started it. oldsoftie Mar 2021 #18
Glad someone else discovered it and found a doctor to prescribe it.. HUAJIAO Mar 2021 #20
Pierre Kory is a snake oil salesmen. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2021 #23
Your friend probably got better despite the treatment with that drug pnwmom Mar 2021 #24
Quite possible. I havent talked to her since but i just texted her. nt oldsoftie Mar 2021 #25
People are chowing down on Heartgard chews. What could possibly go wrong? Politicub Mar 2021 #19
Well...at least they won't have heartworms jmowreader Mar 2021 #30
I just avoid lapping up standing rainwater water from puddles. But I Politicub Mar 2021 #34
Darwin at work... CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #21
WHAT!!- Hydrochloride,Bleach and a light shoved up your ass wasn't enough packman Mar 2021 #22
Ivermectin does work...for scabies that is, in the correct dosage. EX500rider Mar 2021 #31
scabies comes from mites jcgoldie Mar 2021 #33
A virus is nothing but a weed growing the body, now is it? Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #35

KS Toronado

(17,338 posts)
1. We would have a lot fewer people self-medicating
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 11:26 AM
Mar 2021

if our health care system wasn't the most expensive in the world.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. And we'd have a lot fewer if people weren't stupid
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:19 PM
Mar 2021

Ivermectin is a prescription drug. I don’t know how people would even get it without a doctor’s prescription. So something illicit is going on—either quack doctors or some kind of black market.

Bayard

(22,157 posts)
5. $8 at Tractor Supply
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:16 PM
Mar 2021

Even cheaper online. Oral paste for horses. Liquid injectable for cattle. No prescription.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. As I said, stupid
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:24 PM
Mar 2021

Who takes medicine made for horses?

The drug for people must be prescribed by a doctor.

Bayard

(22,157 posts)
8. I doubt people this stupid are getting prescriptions from their doctors
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:45 PM
Mar 2021

I'm betting they're going for the $8 version. The same people that swallow bleach.

maxrandb

(15,359 posts)
9. Well, I used to have severe and painful back spasms. Literally put me flat for days
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:19 PM
Mar 2021

A friend suggested I try horse liniment. Kind of like Bengay, but a bit stronger.

That really worked for me. Fortunately, I lost some weight and did some wight training and yoga and my back is now fine, but that horse liniment worked wonders.

My bride loved it too. I'd slap some on and then go; "Neighhhhhhhhh"

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
12. You're lucky
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:35 PM
Mar 2021

It’s not recommended

Public health experts say they are concerned about the use of products that have been taken off the human market, such as some liniments, fungicides and DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide), once popularly used as a penetrating agent for administering medications.

In the case of DMSO, a solvent, federal tests found it carries contaminants deep into the body. Other products, like menthylsulfonylmethane, or MSM, which is sold to ease arthritis in animals, have not been tested to be effective in people--and may pose risks, authorities warn.

Some horse liniments, for instance, can blister human skin, users warn. Ketamine, a veterinary anesthetic only recently classified as a federally controlled substance, has caused serious illness, even death, among people illegally using it as a hallucinogen.

“The big problem is that many of these preparations have never had human testing and they cannot [be assumed] to be safe for humans,” said Dr. Shirley Fannin, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services. “People who use products illicitly are just playing Russian roulette.”

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-22-mn-25038-story.html

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
26. Probably Absorbine Jr
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 05:02 PM
Mar 2021

I used that on my horses and always loved the smell of that stuff. There is a human version that is very similar, mainly a difference in strength of the menthol I think.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
29. Oh right
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 10:52 PM
Mar 2021

It's been awhile since I used it--my last equine critter 'got her wings' in the mid 2000s.
Now I want to go buy some just to smell it again!

Bayard

(22,157 posts)
32. I've used the equine gel version before on a bad old hamstring
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:09 AM
Mar 2021

Love that minty smell! Didn't bother my skin.

I've also used DMSO back in my running days. Back then, you did have to be careful about not wearing anything nylon over it, but I've seen new products now--for humans, not solvents--that aren't like that.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
28. At the beginning of the pandemic people tried taking drugs made for aquariums
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:49 PM
Mar 2021

Remember the chloroquine aquarium cleaner people were dying from because the orange murderer was pushing HCQ as a curative?

machoneman

(4,011 posts)
7. I do hope RonJon takes a massive dose. Hey, I also hope a ton of R's in red states jump on this...
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:33 PM
Mar 2021

idea and self-medicate a lot. We win again...........

Chakaconcarne

(2,462 posts)
11. Well...if the fda is warning against it.......
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:25 PM
Mar 2021

Surely, that's a sign we should do the opposite.... or so I hear.

Parler is polluting the gene pool.

oldsoftie

(12,612 posts)
16. I actually know someone in her 30s who used this with some success.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 03:06 PM
Mar 2021

I had never heard of it. I spoke with her a day after she started it & she thought it was helping.
Havent checked on her in several days, i think i'll send a text & see if she's doing better & make her aware of this article.

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #16)

HUAJIAO

(2,400 posts)
20. Glad someone else discovered it and found a doctor to prescribe it..
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:17 PM
Mar 2021

very few doctors will.

The FDA comments I think confuse the issue by not stating the difference between the 2 different versions of the drug. I've seen the same nonsense elsewhere as well...

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
23. Pierre Kory is a snake oil salesmen.
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:33 PM
Mar 2021

An "expert" touted by Ron Wyden and has been debunked more than once. This is dangerous misinformation.


Frontiers Removes Controversial Ivermectin Paper Pre-Publication


The editors of Frontiers in Pharmacology have taken down an article about the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin in COVID-19 patients. The paper, which was written by members of an organization called the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), had been provisionally accepted and posted in abstract form by the journal in January, but was ultimately rejected this Monday (March 1). The editors determined that it contained unsubstantiated claims and violated the journal’s editorial policies.

By the end of last week, the abstract had been viewed more than 85,000 times, according to snapshots available on the internet archive.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/frontiers-removes-controversial-ivermectin-paper-pre-publication-68505

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
19. People are chowing down on Heartgard chews. What could possibly go wrong?
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:02 PM
Mar 2021

But I guess its the liquid form for livestock that is causing most of the problems.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
34. I just avoid lapping up standing rainwater water from puddles. But I
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:59 PM
Mar 2021

may be missing out on something good.

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
31. Ivermectin does work...for scabies that is, in the correct dosage.
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:19 AM
Mar 2021

It has been approved for that in other countries.

jcgoldie

(11,647 posts)
33. scabies comes from mites
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:31 AM
Mar 2021

Thats what ivermectin is used to treat for in animals both internal and external parasites ... that has nothing to do with a virus.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. A virus is nothing but a weed growing the body, now is it?
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:41 PM
Mar 2021

I've read that chugging Roundup is next miracle cure, Republicans!!!

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