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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,837 posts)
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:35 PM Mar 2021

Tennessee panel votes to remove monument of KKK leader from state Capitol

Source: The Hill

The Tennessee Historical Commission on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to support removing the bust of Ku Klux Klan leader and Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest from the state Capitol.

According to local media, the panel voted 25-1 to grant the waiver sought by the state Capitol Commission to have the bust transferred to the Tennessee State Museum.

The vote comes months after Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee called on the Capitol Commission to consider the placement of the bust as leaders in cities and states across the country moved to get rid of Confederate symbols in public spaces amid widespread protests against racial injustice and police brutality following the police killing of George Floyd.

While Lee said in remarks at the time that Forrest, who was born in Tennessee, was a "renowned military tactician" and was part of the state's history, he also acknowledged the former commander's "disturbing track record."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tennessee-panel-votes-to-remove-monument-of-kkk-leader-from-state-capitol/ar-BB1eqcIE?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

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Tennessee panel votes to remove monument of KKK leader from state Capitol (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2021 OP
Thank God! It should have come down long time ago redstateblues Mar 2021 #1
Run Forrest! Xipe Totec Mar 2021 #2
Wish they'd rename the state park named after him. Lars39 Mar 2021 #3
He massacred 300 black Union soldiers at Fort Pillow IronLionZion Mar 2021 #4
Surprising. AZ8theist Mar 2021 #5
disturbing track record rpannier Mar 2021 #6
Good. About fucking time. Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #7
Holy crap, I wasn't expecting it to be Forrest. eppur_se_muova Mar 2021 #8
Good! Native Memphian here. NellieStarbuck Mar 2021 #9
As an avid enthusiast of Military History... WarGamer Mar 2021 #10
He was a fucking traitor and racist BumRushDaShow Mar 2021 #12
one step in the llashram Mar 2021 #11
I as a native of GA and great great granddaughter TNNurse Mar 2021 #13
MTSU's ROTC building is named for Forrest Nash Teeth Mar 2021 #14

IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
4. He massacred 300 black Union soldiers at Fort Pillow
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:16 PM
Mar 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Pillow

For the people who want to erase history but keep statues to honor these types of mass murderers.

AZ8theist

(5,447 posts)
5. Surprising.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:31 PM
Mar 2021

The current Repuke Party is EMBRACING bigotry, racism and hatred by the bucket full. No more whistles...only LOUD HORNS.

Surprising they didn't announce a state holiday to honor the KKK.

eppur_se_muova

(36,256 posts)
8. Holy crap, I wasn't expecting it to be Forrest.
Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:53 PM
Mar 2021

I mean, he's so notorious you'd think someone would have picked up on that earlier.

NellieStarbuck

(266 posts)
9. Good! Native Memphian here.
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 12:27 AM
Mar 2021

Thrilled when Memphis took down the Forrest statue. Happy Tennessee is doing so, as well. Baby steps.

WarGamer

(12,423 posts)
10. As an avid enthusiast of Military History...
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 12:37 AM
Mar 2021

(I'm happy the monument is being moved to a museum, the proper place)

It's frequently necessary to look past the personal traits to analyze a historical figure.

How can you analyze Rommel, Zhukov or Yamamoto if you focus on the person, their boss or their Party affiliation?

Should we preface any discussion of Napoleon with discussion about the Siege of Jaffra and the 4000 dead POW's? Or the brutal repression in Haiti?

Or Genghis Khan?

No. We learn to analyze the performance of the military leader, whether it's Rommel, Forrest, Lee, Grant or Stuart.

Forrest is arguably the most influential military leader of the 19th AND 20th Century. Heinz Guderian and other architects of the Blitzkrieg credited Forrest. Post WW2 US military tactics borrowed heavily from the Forrest playbook. Forrest tactics were taught at the US Army War College and West Point well into the 1980's... Patton wrote about Forrest.

Yes, a slave trading racist and a traitor... but a remarkable soldier and leader.

Fact: one of only two people in the USCW to rise from Private to General during the war.

And killed 30 men in hand to hand combat. I can't think of another military figure in the 19th or 20th Century to have done such.

BumRushDaShow

(128,700 posts)
12. He was a fucking traitor and racist
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 08:19 AM
Mar 2021

and there was nothing "remarkable" about him except that his legacy and viewpoint survives to this day, tormenting later generations whose ancestors suffered, either directly, or from those who worshiped him. This glorification of him is craven.

And expectantly, due to this sort of legacy of white supremacy as promoted by Forrest, the lack of historical teaching here in the U.S. about the continent of Africa, continues to be breathtaking, and is obvious in this admission -

I can't think of another military figure in the 19th or 20th Century to have done such.




There was a miniseries (I have the DVD). Condensed version -



But we know Africa is the "dark continent".

llashram

(6,265 posts)
11. one step in the
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 08:09 AM
Mar 2021

right direction. Now if we could just get rid of his racist organization that had hundreds on January 6 2021 trying to start Confederacy 2.0.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
13. I as a native of GA and great great granddaughter
Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:31 AM
Mar 2021

of a Confederate soldier who now lives in TN, am sorry that Bill Lee exists. He is a terrible governor and knew he would be when we did not vote for him.

Saying someone who fought against this country in a war as having a "disturbing track record" is just wrong in every way.

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