Female Cuomo staffers say they were pressured to wear makeup, heels, and dresses to please the gover
Source: Business Insider
A slew of female aides to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo say they were either explicitly told or felt pressured to wear makeup and dress up to please the governor and get ahead professionally.
Twelve women told The New York Times that there was a general understanding that they should wear heels, dresses, and makeup when in Cuomo's presence. More than a dozen women who've worked for Cuomo told New York Magazine that the governor and his top female aides applied heavy pressure to dress well and in expensive clothing. Some said they were specifically directed to wear heels when in the governor's presence. Several current and former aides in the governor's office told The Times that women who are tall, thin, and blonde were favored in the hiring process.
Another former aide named Kaitlin, who asked that her last name not be used, told New York Magazine that the governor would criticize her physical appearance if she came to work with wet hair or otherwise didn't meet his standards. She said he would tell her, "You decided not to get ready today?" or, "You didn't put makeup on today?"
One former staffer, Ana Liss, said an executive assistant to the governor told her, "When the governor is here, you need to look really good."
A current senior aide and two former staffers told The Times they believed they were passed over for certain professional opportunities because of how they dressed. Three former staffers said they had to dress the way Cuomo wanted if they desired special attention from the governor. Staffers who dressed according to Cuomo's code would be seated at desks in view of his office in the Capitol building, The Times reported.
Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/female-cuomo-staffers-reportedly-told-to-wear-makeup-heels-dresses-2021-3
JI7
(89,249 posts)?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Yes, the Governor told them. Did you read the excerpt?
JI7
(89,249 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and they needed a recommendation from him if they left their jobs.
JI7
(89,249 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Most of them are speaking only anonymously, because they don't want to be the next Tara Reade or whatever. They don't want to be the woman who brought Cuomo down. They just want to live their lives.
JI7
(89,249 posts)they claim and not saying anything .
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)many would be risking their jobs.
But the fact that it's so common doesn't mean it's okay when a Governor does it.
JI7
(89,249 posts)And I didn't say it's ok when the Governor does it. I'm saying it looks like they were ok with it and joined in that bs.
Similar to the people that went to work for Trump .
This didn't happen decades ago. It's in recent years .
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)She was in a group of his staffers, and they were all watching his appearance at a press conference, denying ever behaving inappropriately. And then woman #7 became "emotional" and a supervisor followed her and got her to explain why she was upset. And then out came the story of being fondled under her blouse, when they were alone together.
This happened at the end of last year and -- as with many victims -- she just bottled up the feelings. Until they came out.
And the supervisor filed the report, because the employee still doesn't want to.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)because they know they will be subject to the kind of victim-blaiming I am reading in your posts.
JI7
(89,249 posts)showed that.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)but was approached by the police after the fact and persuaded to file a report, I can tell you that the very last thing I would ever do if assaulted again is file a report. Your comments in this thread questioning the reliability/actions of the women, is VERY familiar to me, and I am male.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)the reason most people (especially women) do NOT report these things is because when they do they are treated this way. The more powerful the perpetrator, the more the victim can expect to be abused. Even with six victims coming forward, people are defending Cuomo. There are probably lots more, but they can see how those who go public are treated and have no desire to destroy their lives totally.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)According to the EEOC. Every heard of that organization?
Anita Hill has -- but it seems that many Democrats never learned the lessons of those hearings.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)It was a nightmare that the police made far worse
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And this happens to so many young people. How can anyone expect a young person trying to process past abuse to somehow stop a bully like Cuomo -- who controls her job?
I'm wondering if some of the women defending Cuomo here (by saying the woman should have stood up for herself -- like they did) are really in deep denial about the damage done to them.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)trusted position, rank within an organization make people very uncertain of how to react, or whether they heard something correctly or not. Predators are very good at grooming victims, slowly encroaching on boundaries, until they compromise the victim, making them feel complicit. Gaslighting is very common. Police and DAs either view a victim as a troublemaker who is lying, or someone complicit who then got cold feet. Occasionally, we are a means to an end, a tool to advance their reputation.
In my case the predator (well respected local business man) got caught when someone stole his car, and the police who recovered it found a photo album full of naked boys. The DAs method of getting cooperation to build his case was to approach the mothers (he specialized in fatherless boys) and show them the pictures under the pretext that the son was being investigated and would be subject to arrest and prosecution for sexual deviancy. However, if the boy cooperated in helping prosecute, they would forgo charges. The DA saw the case as great for his career, and the victims were stepping stones to a well publicized take down of a prominent citizens.
I loath district attorneys. Prosecutors are generally people with aspirations to higher office, and they abuse their discretion to pad their win/loss ratio. While I would never say false allegations dont occur, when you get a lot of victims with the same story, the same pattern of abuse, the same MO, the likelihood of a false accusation approaches zero.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)What the DA did was beyond despicable, and compounded the damage done to all the boys. In fact, it almost seems worse than what the predator did, because the predator was probably acting under some compulsion (and may as a boy have been a victim himself.) But the DA who lied to the mothers just cold-bloodedly used all of you.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to have her come to your house to fix your phone, then take her into a room with no witnesses, and stick your hand inside her blouse and fondle her.
You're wrong.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)or the new face of the Me,too movement. Many people prefer to stay private.
And she also knows it would be almost impossible to prove anything happened in private.
treestar
(82,383 posts)If he dared fire them for that reason, he'd have a lawsuit on his hands, EEOC claims - surely he is not that dumb.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to pursue them. So the lack of a claim doesn't prove anything.
One of my relatives had such a claim, and didn't do anything. She had enough else going on in her life. But then someone else in her office filed a claim, and she had to get involved anyway.
Polybius
(15,407 posts)Sometimes all someone needs to speak out is for someone else to first.
JI7
(89,249 posts)and it was in recent years .
Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)with a culture that supports and reinforces men like Cuomo, while blaming the women for trying to navigate these abuses of power.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)that I cringed when a female doctor walked into the ER when I worked as a rape survivor's advocate. As a general rule, women doctors were far more judgmental about what the survivors did, wore, said, etc., or whether they called the police quickly enough, or were willing to make a report, etc.
I'm sad to see that this attitude that victims of harassment, abuse, or worse, must act in a certain way to be considered legitimate victims continues - especially among women.
JI7
(89,249 posts)It's women talking about and telling other women what they should wear.
I don't see anything about anyone being told by CUomo what to wear and being threatened they will lose their jobs if they don't do it .
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)I see nothing where anyone ordered them to do it.
And if anyone did encourage it , it was other women.
I see nothing where anyone was fired for not dressing a certain way.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)You're flat out wrong if you really believe that it matters whether there were formal orders as opposed to expectations that rewarded women for dressing in a sexualized manner (or subjected them to patronizing comments when they didn't), no one was fired, or that it was women passing on the expectations.
Not to mention that this is part and parcel of a larger pattern in Cuomo's office that created the hostile work environment that has now been described by at least a dozen women.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)It's been a win, at all cost - and if you challenge bad behavior by any Democrat you're accused of participating in a circular firing squad; and when there are direct victims they are accused of contributing to (or causing) the behavior - or of having forfeited any right to a safe, harassment-free workplace by not speaking (or not speaking up fast enough).
The behavior I have seen here recently as to women is almost indistinguishable from the rationale used by conservatives to blame Blacks for the continuing effect of racism (that was then, this is now, stop living in the past)
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)He didn't do it to me -- we had an understanding and I think he knew I'd direct a very sharp elbow somewhere -- and the guys didn't say anything -- even to him, even though it made them mad/made them feel harassed.
I offered to go to HR so they could say they didn't initiate it, but they said no.
The reason for not wanting to try to talk to him directly about it was that they were afraid they'd hit him. The reason for not going to HR was that even though it was happening to multiple people and I was a witness, they were too uncomfortable discussing it and were afraid the company would just ignore it and then they'd deal with worse from him.
If guys don't feel comfortable reporting it when it happens to them. I can't blame women.
JI7
(89,249 posts)these are people talking about what they think Cuomo likes and doing things to appeal to that.
But nowhere does it say he told them to look that way.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)This was in the OP.
And before you say anything, no, an employer cannot legally require women to wear makeup and not men.
https://www.businessinsider.com/female-cuomo-staffers-reportedly-told-to-wear-makeup-heels-dresses-2021-3
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)and is pretty disgusting.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)and need to shut it down. Period.
JI7
(89,249 posts)if he likes it so much.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)And this was in recent years.
treestar
(82,383 posts)where do you get the idea you get to control the issues?
Just do a "wow, just wow" to show your amazement that anyone dare see anything differently.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)I was also trying to warn the poster that they were in real danger of getting flagged for removal. Not necessarily by myself (not my general practice) -- but I've seen action taken on posts for far less.
As a reminder, the the post I responded to had this message:
Which I still find utterly deplorable -- and WAY out of step.
But, for future reference, I can see the merit of your "Wow" or "Really?" suggestion.
Polly Hennessey
(6,796 posts)made the choice to stay. One can always find another job or is this the only job they qualify for.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)retaliates by withholding a recommendation.
And did you ever hear of Anita Hill? The R's blamed her for following Clarence Thomas, her harasser, to a new job.
The Democrats THEN understood why she did that, and defended her.
Now, all of a sudden some have switched places with the R's, and are victim-blaming.
This is the definition of hypocrisy.
Cassidy
(202 posts)I can't tell you how depressed I am getting reading these victim blaming comments on multiple threads. Too depressed to fight.
I hope there is a thorough investigation. I hope Cuomo doesn't resign. I want all this dirty linen aired thoroughly. I think the truth will be that he has created an environment of sexual harassment and has committed sexual harassment on multiple occasions. I just see too much of experiences I have been through in the descriptions the accusers are giving.
Just so depressing to see so much "why didn't these women slap him if he harassed them" on Democratic Underground. Like it's so easy.
Thank you for speaking out.
And, they are ignoring the fact that sexual harassment is AGAINST THE LAW, because women shouldnt have to work in a Catch 22 situation.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)It has been pretty disgusting around here recently. It seems that all it takes is for women to say out loud that powerful Democratic men are acting like jerks to make victim blaming aceptable.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and it strengthens me if it helps anyone like you!
My concern about the investigation is that it's unlikely to prove anything definitively, and Cuomo knows that. And he's making sure by refusing to step aside while the investigation is ongoing (even though the EEOC says that accused managers shouldn't be left in place supervising complainants and witnesses.)
secondwind
(16,903 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)in the work place. This wasn't decades ago .
It happened in recent years .
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)artemisia1
(756 posts)this comes off as apologetics for Cuoma and victim blaming. Subordinates are not at fault when their superiors behave in an unprofessional manner.
JI7
(89,249 posts)on their own because they thought someone liked it.
There was nothing about anyone firing or threatening to fire them if they didn't.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)I am required to wear a suit, tie, polished shoes, and well groomed for every scheduled meeting. During the rest of the week, its a dress shirt, tie, chinos, polished shoes, and well groomed. It's in the handbook I dress this way.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Female food service workers are required to wear mens shirts.
TV news people dress the women in sleeveless sheath dresses in winter while men wear a full suit and tie, socks and flat shoes.
Thats why we need a full investigation.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)that allows the bosses to put their hands on their employees.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)other bank is 100% casual dress.
Same goes for my brother's current employer (Publix) where they have a dress code but his prior one (Bi-Lo) was casual dress though 20+ years ago they had a stricter dress code.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)And, yes, I am still in favor of a full investigation. Cuomo himself (or his support structure) decides if/when it is time to step down. Otherwise -- it's a job for the voters.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)I just want Cuomo and the women to have their day in court. No matter how anyone dresses.
Face the accusers.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)something new nor is the dress code that is under discussion an unreasonable one.
Now unreasonable would be requiring the women to wear ultra revealing clothing and in such a place of business it could lead to a lawsuit.
JI7
(89,249 posts)of women's shoes that are dress shoes and would fit in an office type work environment that are not heels.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)heard that alot of women hate them.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)lots of time a dress code is a 'culture' thing, and not necessarily the dictates or whim of a particular 'individual.' BUT -- (in the context of this discussion) asking one gender to "look pretty" - "wear make-up" - "wear dresses" is clearly asking them to assume a role (and serve a purpose?) other than 'professional.' Nobody is asking the males to adjust the cut of their trousers to "show a little fanny." (even if the fanny might be enviable)
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)A boss asking the employees dress to look good is acceptable and considering its a job where they are probably seeing and interacting with a number of powerful and influential people it kind of makes sense to put on a show of having your people look their best because impressions are important.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)done -- and why we would immediately see the "problem" if equivalent things were asked of men. The idea that women need to wear dresses (as opposed a smart pants suit) because -- "professional" .... (IMO) it's a ludicrous position -- and near indefensible. There's something going on here that doesn't have anything to do with 'smart' or 'professional' -- and it's being directed specifically at women. You don't want to see that -- that''s okay -- but you're marching to a different drummer.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)dress slacks with jackets then it is as close to being equivalent as it can be unless the requirement was that the men had to wear kilts which would be funny as hell.
torius
(1,652 posts)such as, forgot to shave?
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Good thing these ladies didnt work for Delta, United, American or any others in the last century.
speak easy
(9,249 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The current standard is one-half to three inches until they get to the aircraft. Once aboard, they can change to flats if desired.
I suspect their customer service people who are women are required to wear heels at all times. I fly quite a bit, and I've never seen a gate attendant, ticketing agent or other inside-the-terminal employee who WASN'T in heels. The ones who are men wear standard business shoes.
Midnight Writer
(21,760 posts)If women tall, thin and blonde were favored in hiring, that should be easy to check out, maybe before publishing it.
This particular story seems to be reaching a bit.
A "general understanding"?
JI7
(89,249 posts)and getting what they could.
The whole thing reminds me of people that went to work for Trump and went along with this shit.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)This is getting silly.
elleng
(130,895 posts)spooky3
(34,450 posts)Sexy or attractive to women, then do you see the problem?
If the dress code required all employees to dress in suits and conservative hairstyles, accessories, etc., there would be no problem.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)requiring women to do things like wear dresses and use makeup.
Hekate
(90,677 posts)Now, if the issue was the tall, thin, and blond thing, I can understand why there might be a gripe. A really big gripe, based on EEOC guidelines.
But thats not the forward-facing point based on what these women are saying. As long as the dress code wasnt like: wear spandex mini-skirts and show lots of cleavage, what was the agony about? Expensive? Are we talking this seasons Coco Chanel here? Or are we talking about a career wardrobe thoughtfully acquired over several years of shopping seasonal sales, which is how I acquired mine back in the day.
What the actual fuck.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)And I can't help thinking of the OBVIOUS slavery to dress code for women in Trump's office orbit.
And *those* women do dress for his eyes and his taste. Daughter included.
spooky3
(34,450 posts)Youll find the issues clearer. There are USSC cases involving women who were superior performers but werent promoted etc because they didnt dress is traditionally sexy or attractive ways. (Eg, Price Waterhouse)
if women were expected to decorate the halls for Cuomo rather than dress professionally and do a good job, that can be part of a hostile environment. Or if women werent promoted, trained etc, unless they looked like little tootsies, thats a Tangible Employment Action, and the state would be liable, generally.
demmiblue
(36,850 posts)A very toxic environment, indeed. He has many common traits with another person I won't mention.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-cuomo-misconduct-allegations.html
spooky3
(34,450 posts)cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)at a strip club though I could not say for certain about that as I have never been to one and never intend to be as I would honestly be to embarrassed to enter one.
Not to mention I imagine they are crowded as well as noisy both of which would trigger an instant vomit inducing migraine for me such as what happened when I was forced to attend a few pep rallies at school long ago.
Nixie
(16,953 posts)with wet hair everywhere. This is really a desperate pile-on, not just a pile-on.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)It was CORPORATE policy that women could not wear pants and had to wear skirts as well as dress shoes. This was a large corporation. And I worked in the Midwest where the winters were pretty damm harsh.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Response to Polybius (Original post)
crimycarny This message was self-deleted by its author.
bamagal62
(3,257 posts)On what she has to wear for work. She has mentioned how shes not allowed to eat donuts because she cant fit into what they want her to wear. She is basically anorexic. And, Im in Chicago. Its everywhere. But, why the focus on Cuomo? Thats my big question. He may be an awful
Person. But, I still smell a rat. He deserves an investigation. I still think this is a roger stone tactic to be able to pardon trump
If they can win the Gov in 2022. They might be playing the long game. I still think the stink is strong.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Granted its probably not illegal if it did what they said he did but it does not reflect well on the state and that can have an adverse impact on business deals the state might look at doing with someone to lure someone into investing there.
So in my opinion if the investigation determines he did it then he should do what is for the best for the state which might include resigning.
spooky3
(34,450 posts)(And there may be more incidents uncovered in an investigation), then at the very least, the incidents are pervasive, which would be enough to establish illegal hostile environment discrimination.
See the Faragher v Boca Raton case.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)with outdated dress expectations is something for the voters to decide on the next election. I'm more worried about criminal matters or sexual harrasment.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Everyone knows that.
bucolic_frolic
(43,158 posts)for the boss, for a job interview, for visits by important higher ups, for good interactions with customers.
No one is told to dress like a slob. Casual doesn't mean dress down. Few enjoy interacting with the world while unkempt.
Dress up for the boss? I'm not hearing a lot of there there.
Vinca
(50,270 posts)All businesses have dress codes. If you want to wear jeans, work elsewhere.
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)There was a strict dress code for both men and women, who worked or were seen by customers.
After being in management for a number of years, I took a 'staff' position, as a step up the corporate ladder. Then there was a major reorganization of the entire non-manufacturing side.
I was called into my male manager's office and told a couple of things. First, I was told never to wear a matching skirt and blouse, made in a demin blue colored cotton, that had a western look (we were in Texas). Then, I was told that I didn't have the 'look' to continue in management under the new organization. My hair style wasn't right and I didn't wear enough makeup and, get this, I wasn't tall enough!
I was so embarrassed and went to the ladies' room and cried. I could hardly participate in meetings with my manager, whom I had considered a friend.
About six months later, I left management for good and took a technical position, stayed on another 12 years, and got my full retirement.
Never knew that was sexual harassment.
Freethinker65
(10,021 posts)bamagal62
(3,257 posts)Maybe he is a piece of shit like they are saying. But Im tired of republicans getting a pass. I want an investigation and if its true then he should be gone. But he does deserve due process. With the Trump investigations, I worry and I want the real truth, not just conjecture. If it was me, I would want a real investigation. These days I dont trust anyone.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)But, I hope the investigation includes looking at the female aides that also encouraged and pressured the lower-level staffers to dress a certain way.
Female aides pressured staff as well. I hate this.
Why didnt people go to HR? I understand that getting a job in the Govs office was a huge opportunity. But, if you dont like something, SPEAK UP.
Many companies years ago expected women to dress for success. That included heels, proper dresses and makeup. Later we were allowed to wear business casual including slacks. We only had Jeans Friday.
But another huge point: I worked in a large international advertising agency in Stamford CT in the late 80s to 2000. During that time, with workplace sexual harassment claims beginning to mount, our company had MANDATORY Sexual Harassment Awareness Seminars for all male staff. It was abundantly clear that the behaviour needed to change.
That was 30 years ago and Cuomo would have been in his 30s. He should know better. I cant believe we are still dealing with all this stuff.
But, I want an investigation. He should not be railroaded out.
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 13, 2021, 11:43 AM - Edit history (1)
craves power and uses it to advantage. I think we've all either seen or experienced these kind of bosses. When I worked for DoD, I would occassionally hear a comment about an senior officer's wife "wearing the rank" more than the officer did, meaning she took her attitude and power over the wives of underlings from his rank and used it. I suspect this is what happened with the women who were close staff of Cuomo. They derived their power from him and used it on lower-ranking female staff.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I can definitely see this scenario.
But, since they are representing the Gov in managing lower level staff, then I want them held responsible. They dont get to hide.
I am a 66 year old female who has also faced sexual harassment (minor) and age discrimination (major).
I want to believe the accusers, but they needed to speak up sooner than this.
A note to anyone who is being harassed: if you are too afraid to step forward now, then tell someone in private. Document it. Dates, times, etc. Notarize it. File it. You cant wait years and years and then try to make it part of a current discourse with just vague accusations.
Better yet, come forward when it happens. With the #Metoo movement, you should be safer now.
Sorry, just on a rant right now.
Yea, Cuomo is a classic macho bully. But, put me in the investigation before demonization category.
Deminpenn
(15,286 posts)People have different motivations for doing things. This is what an investigation can, hopefully, sort out.
But sometime women just need to fire back at bad male behavior right then and there. Once the women in my office suggested to our male colleagues who joked about a wet t-shirt contest at our annual office picnic that they'd go along if the men agreed to a wet boxers/briefs contest. They piped down pretty quick.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)stopped listening to the STFU Angel on his shoulder.
They could have easily had a written dress code that applied to everybody.
spooky3
(34,450 posts)What does the one on the other shoulder say?
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)If it wasn't acceptable for him, it's not acceptable for Cuomo.
maliaSmith
(80 posts)I worked for the Gov with a dress code. I wasn't offended.
What did the women want to wear? Levi's and sandals?
Gov had a right to require proper dress to work in the state's capital.
PS It's not sexual harassment either.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)A dress code is one thing. But I don't think it is appropriate to ask female staffers to wear heels.
JI7
(89,249 posts)demanded or even asked women to wear heels.
All the quotes are other people talking about what he likes and women telling other women what to do.
JI7
(89,249 posts)demanding it. It's all women telling others and claiming this is what he likes.
demmiblue
(36,850 posts)Professional work outfits for women don't necessarily mean dresses/skirts and high heel shoes. What year are we in, FFS?!
Come to think of it, so would Kamala Harris... or any number of very successful women.
Just sayin'.
Hekate
(90,677 posts)Asking for a friend.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,741 posts)DU would be frying him like bacon.
Polybius
(15,407 posts)He was ripped a new one here for saying he was only 17 and a minor, and asking why she waited 35 years to come forward.
Aussie105
(5,395 posts)Receptionist at a big company?
Young and attractive female.
Smile and act interested, dear.
The person at the car dealership who does the after sale deals on 'extras'?
Young and attractive female.
Smile and act interested, dear.
Work in any company as a young female and want to get ahead?
Dress and present attractive.
Smile and act interested, dear.
Not saying it is right, but it's right throughout our, and other, societies.
Needless to say, 'female, young, attractive, dresses to impress' is NOT a sign they are 'available', and NOT permission to hit on them.
As some males seem to think.
Complex topic, yes?
treestar
(82,383 posts)How many advice articles on professional dress call for just that?
Come on, this is getting absurd.
And if it was from someone else, that's not on Cuomo.