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Jonah Ide

(61 posts)
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 05:06 AM Mar 2021

Russia says British nuclear plans deal serious blow to arms control: RIA

Source: Reuters

MARCH 17, 2021, 6:39 AM

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Britain’s plans to expand its nuclear capabilities have dealt a serious blow to the concept of arms control, the RIA news agency reported Russia’s foreign ministry as saying on Wednesday.

Moscow said it will take London’s move into account when working on its own military planning, RIA added.

Britain will increase its nuclear warhead stockpile by more than 40% to ensure its security in a more risky global environment and as it faces new technological threats, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-nuclear-weapons-russ/russia-says-british-nuclear-plans-deal-serious-blow-to-arms-control-ria-idUSKBN2B912U?il=0



I'm very confused here as to who poses the greatest threat to the UK, Vlad or Boris. . .
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Russia says British nuclear plans deal serious blow to arms control: RIA (Original Post) Jonah Ide Mar 2021 OP
There's a whiff of BS going on here.... OnDoutside Mar 2021 #1
Oh poor Russia DetroitLegalBeagle Mar 2021 #2
What makes you think they are separate threats? "...Vlad or Boris. . ?" Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #3
Of course!... Maxheader Mar 2021 #4
Personally I think this whole thing is *ucking Nuts nykym Mar 2021 #5
The whole deal to re-up the nukes has nothing to do with defensive posturing. It's about money spent Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #6
UK is inviting other countries to also break the nuclear treaties TomWilm Mar 2021 #7

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,473 posts)
2. Oh poor Russia
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 06:05 AM
Mar 2021

The UK has around 200 warheads. Russia has over 6,000. Another 80 nukes in the UK's arsenal isn't going to budge the scales.

nykym

(3,063 posts)
5. Personally I think this whole thing is *ucking Nuts
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 09:03 AM
Mar 2021

"ensure it's security in a more risky global environment.
What a crock, most of us know it will only take 1 bomb and we are all toast.
You cannot ensure security against Nukes.

Ford_Prefect

(8,548 posts)
6. The whole deal to re-up the nukes has nothing to do with defensive posturing. It's about money spent
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:06 AM
Mar 2021

to revitalize the nuclear arms industry, including the mining companies, aerospace and weapons systems outfits. Being modern no doubt some military services contracting firms would be hiring as well. Lots of boondoggle money going there I think.

They see that we're unlikely to build new reactors for all the obvious reasons. There are pragmatic reasons to update a portion of the nukes we have kept due to the age of the devices. Practically its a weapon we can't use even once or on a small scale. But the idea that we don't have any at all scares some people and that perception has consequences at the ballot box.

I don't recall the incredible amount spent on the weapons or on delivery systems and maintenance. It's nosebleed territory to be sure. Like the F-35 program its one of those weapons systems that no one in Congress appears to be willing to vote against.

This waving weapons systems we can't use has nothing to do with international relations and everything to do with stealing yet more tax money from domestic programs. I can't recall who wrote the study, and I know there have been a number of them, but someone once compared what we spend on "defense" hardware to the same money invested in public health, education, infrastructure and updating our energy system. The financial outcome was substantial. Its the kind of money that could wipe out the National Debt and pay for college education for anyone at the same time.

I'm not naïve about national defense. Whatever world we're going to have we still need an Army, a Navy and so-on. However we can't afford the kind of mindless spending we've been engaged in ever since Reagan and W both blew the budgets out.

The folks who are pulling the Nuclear strings in Brexit Britain are the same ones doing it here and Putin complaining about is egging it on IMO.

TomWilm

(1,956 posts)
7. UK is inviting other countries to also break the nuclear treaties
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:38 AM
Mar 2021

In stead of being a decent example, the UK is actively breaking the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, which commits the nuclear powers to gradual nuclear disarmament. None of the other motherf*ckers in the Treaty are disarming either, but at least they have all kept the numbers on a stable level. The significance is not the (very relatively) small numbers of UK nukes involved, but that the UK willingly breaks one of the few treaties limiting this madness.

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