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"bought the gun he used hours earlier" PSPS Mar 2021 #1
Only 13 states have a waiting period, unfortunately. Gunners, even Democrats, Hoyt Mar 2021 #8
As Homer would say, "Five days? But I'm mad now!!" PSPS Mar 2021 #12
To those who say, "Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem" Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2021 #30
And background check? CaptainTruth Mar 2021 #32
The article says he bought the gun from a "Cherokee shop" Calista241 Mar 2021 #39
It would have turned up the son of a youth pastor, super religious, Warpy Mar 2021 #40
Important to note that the idea that his motive could be related to a "sexual addiction" and the fa soothsayer Mar 2021 #2
Thanks enough Mar 2021 #5
+100 bronxiteforever Mar 2021 #6
My first thought was a weeb incel AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2021 #20
As Would Any Woman RobinA Mar 2021 #42
Ah, that's a good excuse. Save me from myself louis-t Mar 2021 #3
SAA should have been his first choice. In_The_Wind Mar 2021 #4
For the others so they don't have to look it up: Sex Addicts Anonymous. - SAA Maraya1969 Mar 2021 #13
It works if you work it. In_The_Wind Mar 2021 #18
Actions of someone tortured by religious fundamentalism. n/t MarcA Mar 2021 #7
DING DING DING We have a winner Darwins_Retriever Mar 2021 #15
From reports seems that he had been part of this religion MarcA Mar 2021 #22
Incel gone bonkers ? magicarpet Mar 2021 #9
That was my thought. SergeStorms Mar 2021 #14
Methinks this is bull s**t Claire Oh Nette Mar 2021 #10
If you've known people that are addicted to things you'd probably recognize that addicts... PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #19
Evangelical Misogyny GopherGal Mar 2021 #21
"Was this racially motivated?" "We don't believe so." "Why's that?" "Because the white mass murde soothsayer Mar 2021 #11
I think MarcA (comment 7) or Magicarpet (#9) have the best reason Darwins_Retriever Mar 2021 #16
If you give a lot of white folks, even Very Committed Liberals, *any reason* to deny the race angle greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #17
Not to appear insensitive but it also seems to be yet another Incel warrior, so to speak. Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #23
I was thinking it was one of the two. Racially motivated hate crime or a pathetic incel lashing out Sapient Donkey Mar 2021 #38
Attention, city folk: just in case you have never had the opportunity to encounter a steaming pile Atticus Mar 2021 #24
So, religiously insane Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #25
One more example of how guns make us safer. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2021 #26
Going to a therapist would have been a better choice. But alas, blame it on the female victims. appleannie1 Mar 2021 #27
wasn't one of tRumps biggest supporter and guest at mar la go go owner of many salons? nt yaesu Mar 2021 #28
Yeah, the owner of the NE patriots... 2naSalit Mar 2021 #34
Sexual addiction Jilly_in_VA Mar 2021 #29
And perpetrators never lie dlk Mar 2021 #31
He murdered several people, that's a lot more serious than a "hate crime" charge. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #37
The FBI will get to the truth padah513 Mar 2021 #33
That makes absolutely zero sense. Sapient Donkey Mar 2021 #35
Republicans and massage parlors: dalton99a Mar 2021 #36
Killed eight people Traildogbob Mar 2021 #41

PSPS

(15,263 posts)
1. "bought the gun he used hours earlier"
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:42 AM
Mar 2021

I presume this means that there's no waiting period.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Only 13 states have a waiting period, unfortunately. Gunners, even Democrats,
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:47 AM
Mar 2021

Last edited Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

have nixed those type laws. Believe it or not, even Florida has one for handguns.

PSPS

(15,263 posts)
12. As Homer would say, "Five days? But I'm mad now!!"
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:53 AM
Mar 2021

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,477 posts)
30. To those who say, "Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem"
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:22 AM
Mar 2021

I respond, "Then why are you in favor of making it easy for those people to get guns?"

CaptainTruth

(8,079 posts)
32. And background check?
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:29 AM
Mar 2021

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
39. The article says he bought the gun from a "Cherokee shop"
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:47 AM
Mar 2021

which sounds like a gun store to me. The article also mentions that the shop is cooperating with the investigation. If that's true, then he passed a background check.

The only instance if which he wouldn't have had to pass a background check is if he bought the gun from a friend, or from a rando he found somewhere.

Warpy

(114,504 posts)
40. It would have turned up the son of a youth pastor, super religious,
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:49 AM
Mar 2021

and an avid hunter, nothing else. Baptist church, straight arrow, tons of shame around doing anything that makes us human, but those aren't things that show up on background checks, along with treating women like shit. That latter is the strongest predictor that a guy will go off the rails completely.

If someone had bought him a Real Doll (look it up), this would likely not have happened. And sex robots can't get here soon enough, we're tired of being under threat from these guys.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
2. Important to note that the idea that his motive could be related to a "sexual addiction" and the fa
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:43 AM
Mar 2021

?s=21



Ursula Perano
@UrsulaPerano

Important to note that the idea that his motive could be related to a "sexual addiction" and the fact that many of his victims were Asian women aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

AAPI women have historically faced sexualized stereotypes and sexual violence.

enough

(13,711 posts)
5. Thanks
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:46 AM
Mar 2021

bronxiteforever

(11,212 posts)
6. +100
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:47 AM
Mar 2021

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
20. My first thought was a weeb incel
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:07 AM
Mar 2021

Wanted an Asian girlfriend and couldn't get one

RobinA

(10,476 posts)
42. As Would Any Woman
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:53 AM
Mar 2021

working in those spas. My first thought when I heard about this was he was after sexualized women. Much like the way some serial killers target prostitutes.

louis-t

(24,583 posts)
3. Ah, that's a good excuse. Save me from myself
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:44 AM
Mar 2021

by killing people. Because, like, it's a sin to want sex but not to kill people?

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
4. SAA should have been his first choice.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:44 AM
Mar 2021

Maraya1969

(23,451 posts)
13. For the others so they don't have to look it up: Sex Addicts Anonymous. - SAA
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 AM
Mar 2021

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
18. It works if you work it.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Mar 2021

12 step programs ... don't suffer alone. Get help.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
7. Actions of someone tortured by religious fundamentalism. n/t
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:47 AM
Mar 2021

Darwins_Retriever

(949 posts)
15. DING DING DING We have a winner
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:57 AM
Mar 2021

You are probably right. If they dare check, they will probably find he is a fairly recent convert to fundamentalism/evangelicalism.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
22. From reports seems that he had been part of this religion
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:08 AM
Mar 2021

since childhood. From his actions and statements to police it seems
like he couldn't stand the guilt his religion gave him. Most don't go this
far and some resort to self-mutilation. Misogyny all the way back to
Eve and her apple.

magicarpet

(18,464 posts)
9. Incel gone bonkers ?
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:49 AM
Mar 2021

SergeStorms

(20,202 posts)
14. That was my thought.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 AM
Mar 2021

Looking at his booking photo it's pretty plain to see why any normal woman wouldn't want to get near him. But he has a "sex addiction", and it's the women's fault for providing a loser like him an outlet. Otherwise he'd be a normal, well adjusted, productive member of society, right? The "logic" some of these people employ blows my mind.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
10. Methinks this is bull s**t
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:50 AM
Mar 2021

If he's a sex addict, why on earth would he gun down the very women he hires to service him?

"Sex addiction, by way of definition, is a compulsive need to perform sexual acts in order to achieve the kind of “fix” that a person with alcohol use disorder gets from a drink or someone with opiate use disorder gets from using opiates.

Sex addicts will seek out multiple sex partners, though this in itself is not necessarily a sign of a disorder. Some report sex addiction manifests as a compulsive need to masturbate, view pornography, or be in sexually stimulating situations.

A sex addict may significantly alter their life and activities in order to perform sexual acts multiple times a day and are reportedly unable to control their behavior, despite severe negative consequences." -- Healthline

None of the symptoms include gunning down asian massage parlor workers. Methinks it's like that whole type one diabetes, yeah, that's it, my blood sugar spiked and I turned into a racist.

Nope.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
19. If you've known people that are addicted to things you'd probably recognize that addicts...
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Mar 2021

tend to have a love/hate relationship with the things they are addicted to.

The answer to your question (whether it is the truth or not we don't really know at this point) is given in the article:

Long, according to Baker, said the massage parlors represented a “temptation he wanted to eliminate.”

GopherGal

(2,845 posts)
21. Evangelical Misogyny
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:07 AM
Mar 2021

A man's sexual temptation is always the woman's fault.
Rather than process his sexual addiction as self-hatred, he hates the women he's attracted to.

Plus guns.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
11. "Was this racially motivated?" "We don't believe so." "Why's that?" "Because the white mass murde
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 10:51 AM
Mar 2021

?s=21


?s=21

The Korean Vegan, Esq.
@thekoreanvegan
“Was this racially motivated?”

“We don’t believe so.”

“Why’s that?”

“Because the white mass murderer told us so.”
11:42 AM · Mar 17, 2021


The Korean Vegan, Esq.
@thekoreanvegan
Hey SHERIFF: A mass murder caused by a lifetime of Asian fetishization is a RACIALLY MOTIVATED CRIME

Darwins_Retriever

(949 posts)
16. I think MarcA (comment 7) or Magicarpet (#9) have the best reason
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:01 AM
Mar 2021

Either religious fanticism or Incel

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
17. If you give a lot of white folks, even Very Committed Liberals, *any reason* to deny the race angle
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Mar 2021

And they will jump on it and hold on like grim death.

Anything. Just give them anything to deny that it was racially motivated and they'll embrace it.

Ford_Prefect

(8,544 posts)
23. Not to appear insensitive but it also seems to be yet another Incel warrior, so to speak.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 AM
Mar 2021

Hates women and his seeming vulnerability to them, and Asian women particularly.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
38. I was thinking it was one of the two. Racially motivated hate crime or a pathetic incel lashing out
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:42 AM
Mar 2021

Maybe even a little mix of both. I lurked on an incel forum once and I couldn't believe the warped views of the world these guys have. It's not difficult to see how one of them "having a bad day" could lead to them lashing out in a violent way.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
24. Attention, city folk: just in case you have never had the opportunity to encounter a steaming pile
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:14 AM
Mar 2021

of real bullshit, this is it.

Watch where you step.

Miguelito Loveless

(5,534 posts)
25. So, religiously insane
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:14 AM
Mar 2021

"Sins" didn't happen if you kill the witnesses.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,485 posts)
26. One more example of how guns make us safer.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:15 AM
Mar 2021

appleannie1

(5,434 posts)
27. Going to a therapist would have been a better choice. But alas, blame it on the female victims.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:16 AM
Mar 2021

I have gotten some darn good massages in places like that and there was no sex involved at all. Just one thankful sore back.

yaesu

(9,124 posts)
28. wasn't one of tRumps biggest supporter and guest at mar la go go owner of many salons? nt
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:18 AM
Mar 2021

2naSalit

(100,986 posts)
34. Yeah, the owner of the NE patriots...
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 AM
Mar 2021

Kraft.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,092 posts)
29. Sexual addiction
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:19 AM
Mar 2021

my sainted Aunt Matilda! Methinks he looks like he would have been right at home punching cops at the Capitol on Jan 6. Maybe he's mad he missed the insurrection?

dlk

(13,188 posts)
31. And perpetrators never lie
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:26 AM
Mar 2021

Nice try... He's just looking to avoid being charged for a hate crime.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
37. He murdered several people, that's a lot more serious than a "hate crime" charge. n/t
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:41 AM
Mar 2021

padah513

(2,708 posts)
33. The FBI will get to the truth
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:33 AM
Mar 2021

If the guy has a history of frequenting places like this, they'll find out and there might be some validity to his story. If he doesn't have a history of frequenting places like this they'll find that out too, and it's probably a hate crime. Either way, he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail. What pisses me off is that when these guys ruin their lives they always want to ruin a bunch of other lives.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
35. That makes absolutely zero sense.
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:37 AM
Mar 2021

I guess it's more like his self-hatred and frustration with himself lead to him lashing out at these people he murdered. Whatever his rationalizations happen to be are nonsense and irrelevant. These people died because he's a pathetic loser who couldn't cope with life.

dalton99a

(92,843 posts)
36. Republicans and massage parlors:
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:38 AM
Mar 2021
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/09/cindy-yang-spa-owner-runs-firm-sells-access-trump-maralago-report/3113441002/
Founder of Florida spa tied to Robert Kraft case offered access to Trump and family at Mar-a-Lago to Chinese clients
Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes
USA TODAY
Mar. 9, 2019

Cindy (Li) Yang, a Florida entrepreneur who founded a chain of spas and massage parlors that included the one where New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft was arrested recently for allegedly soliciting prostitution, also runs a consulting business that has offered to sell Chinese clients access to President Donald Trump and his family at Mar-a-Lago, according to the company's website.

Yang, a donor to the Republican Party and Trump campaign, popped up this week in photos showing her at a Super Bowl viewing party at the Trump-owned Mar-a-Lago that included a selfie with the president, the Miami Herald reported.

According to Mother Jones, Yang's company — GY US Investments LLC — has a website, mostly in Chinese, that shows her and purported clients hobnobbing at the presidential retreat.

While Mother Jones' examination on the website includes critical detail about a New Year's Eve gala at Mar-a-Lago, a cached version of the website using the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine from August 2018, examined by USA TODAY, also confirms the key points of the magazine's story.

Traildogbob

(12,726 posts)
41. Killed eight people
Wed Mar 17, 2021, 11:52 AM
Mar 2021

And was in a car chase that had to use a cop car maneuver to stop him. And he was NOT choked to death or shot in the back. Not as serious a crime as Skittles position or selling loose cigarettes. Did they stop for a “Churches” Chicken Samich on the way to jail. Will he get organic jail food and be released to his mamma while waiting trial? What if he was.........., oh never fucking mind.

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