The First Big Study On COVID-19 Reinfection Is Here. Here's What It Means.

[riversedge]

Source: huff post



Can you get the coronavirus twice? How long do you have immunity? This new report provides a lot of insight.

03/18/2021 11:44am EDT | Updated 33 minutes ago

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The first large-scale investigation to tackle that question was published in The Lancet this week, and it found that the vast majority of people who have had COVID-19 are indeed protected from catching it again — for at least six months. However, people ages 65 and older are far more likely than younger individuals to experience repeat infection.

The researchers analyzed data from Denmark’s national COVID-19 testing program, which has offered free PCR testing to roughly 4 million people living in the country. Overall, they found that a very small percentage of the population — 0.65% — experienced reinfection.


For those 65 and under, getting the coronavirus once provided roughly 80% protection against reinfection. But for people 65 and older, it provided only about 47% protection against getting COVID-19 again, further highlighting how dangerous this disease can be for older adults.

“Since older people are also more likely to experience severe disease symptoms and, sadly, die, our findings make clear how important it is to implement policies to protect the elderly during the pandemic,” Steen Ethelberg, the study’s author from the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark, said in a statement. “Given what is at stake, the results emphasize how important it is that people adhere to measures implemented to keep themselves and others safe — even if they have already had COVID-19.”...........................

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/study-covid-19-reinfection_l_60533d0dc5b6f93a1d04a8d4

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Given all the new variants--We will all have to get boosters next fall?? just an educated guess from me.

Plus good for only 6 months. better than nothing...--looking on the bright side.

[underpants]

1. 6 months is what jumps out to me.

Rand Paul had it more than 6 months ago. A lot of people did.

[riversedge]

3. umm.. you are correct. I had not thought of that.

[2naSalit]

24. Almost a year.

Maybe they will eschew further precautions and get it again.

Just hoping they end up suffering for their assholery.

[Hoyt]

2. Hopefully, the "at least six months" is actually longer because CV19 hasn't

been here long enough to make that determination.

It’s clear, though, they need vaccination. Agree, we’ll need boosters, but maybe it will be like getting an annual flu shot given at the doc’s office, pharmacy, etc.

[NewHendoLib]

4. The other big piece we need to know is the duration of protection after vaccination

[womanofthehills]

6. I read somewhere that those over 65 or 70 lose their

Vaccine antibodies faster than young people.

[paleotn]

5. Probably an additional vaccination at flu shot time.

[hamsterjill]

7. I think that's going to be a hard sell.

I agree with you. But I think it’s going to be hard to get people to cooperate. Not everyone gets a flu shot.

I found some statistics here. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I’m guessing it’s about right.


https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/

[Lucky Luciano]

12. The flu shots are much more hit or miss whereas COVID shots should be more accurate.

[hamsterjill]

13. It's still the logistics of getting so many boosted.

And convincing people to do it all over again, and again, and again.

I just don’t see that happening myself.

[luvtheGWN]

26. But remember this:

A virus needs a host to keep going. If enough people are vaccinated, creating herd immunity, the virus (and likely its variants) will die out. But of course if enough recalcitrant idiots refuse to be vaccinated, then the virus and its variants will continue to live on.

Unfortunately for us, there are too many of those idiots....

[hamsterjill]

27. I understand. I agree.

But I just don’t see this massive vaccination drive being accepted by everyone every six months, or every year (fill in the time frame once the true time is known for vaccine effectiveness because that is not yet known).

The way it’s being presented right now, people are going to need to get shot after shot after shot. Some people, yes myself included, don’t relish that idea. It would be like a never ending nightmare. There’s got to be something better developed; otherwise, many if not most, people aren’t going to cooperate.

[wnylib]

16. I am very susceptible to viral infections.

Always have been. So, I would get flu shots if I could, but I am allergic to them.

But since the mRNA shots by Pfizer and Moderna contain no allergens for me, I will gladly get boosters when they become available.

Not certain of this, but I think the shots give a longer period of immunity than having the disease does.

[hamsterjill]

17. I think you're right in that the shots have longer immunity

Than getting the disease. I read something, somewhere today (can’t recall where) that substantiated that.

I’m happy for you that the MRNA vaccines will work for you. But I still think there’s going to be a hesitancy from people when it comes to getting boosters. Human nature is going to make most people not want to bother getting stuck again.

From the link I posted upthread, less than 50% of adults get the flu shot, so even if there is a combined vaccine for flu and COVID, there is going to be resistance.

[wnylib]

18. How would there be a combined

vaccine for both flu and covid? The manufacture of the flu shots would have to change, wouldn't it? Currently, flu shots are not based on mRNA technology.

[hamsterjill]

20. I have no idea.

I’ve only seen the idea thrown out for discussion. Maybe the J&J could combine?

Again - no idea. But my point was that even IF they were combine (i.e., one shot instead of two), that there are going to be a lot of people who are not going to be willing to keep getting shots all the time. My argument for that is the low percentage of the population that gets flu shots now.

[wnylib]

22. I think that most of the people who get

flu shots now are vulnerable seniors and medical office employees, who are required by their employers to get tge shot. During flu season, my primary care office had a sign on their door saying that anyone not vaccinated should wear a mask. They required their staff to wear a mask if they did not get the vaccine. That was before the covid pandemic.

Younger people usually don't bother getting vaccinated.

If they combine flu and covid shots, I hope the flu portion is based on mRNA or I won't be able to get the covid booster. The current flu shots are egg based and I am allergic to eggs.

[paleotn]

28. That is true....

People don't generally view flu viruses as all that dangerous, though they certainly can be. So they skip vaccinations for various and sundry reasons. Most boil down to people underrating its lethality. Maybe Covid's severity will change that to some degree Then again, maybe not. I'll get my jabs every year for both and ~ 45% of us will be vaccinated. The rest can trust their luck to probability if they so choose.

I wonder if it's a generational thing. My parents were Depression kids and understood the danger of polio and other diseases. My mom's sister died of polio as a child. So I was stuck, jabbed and vaccinated for damn near everything and that thinking carried over to me and my better half. I remember getting rubella vaccinations in grade school and as far as I knew, we didn't have a choice. Lined us up and we all got the shot. Resisting it just never came up in our house or anywhere else I knew of. Like going to the grocery completely naked, that was beyond the realm of imagined possibilities.

[Marie Marie]

8. My question is: Were these people exposed to a new infection or was the

virus lying in a dormant period and re-emerged (like shingles emerging years after a bout of chicken pox.)?

[magicarpet]

10. .... no the original virus mutates into new strains and new variants.

The vaccines are proving to be unable to protect against the new strains and variants.

Booster vaccines to combat the mutated virus might well be required.

[wnylib]

19. The vaccines are working against

the UK strain. It's the South Africa strain that is the problem because the mutation in that strain is at the protein site that the vaccine targets.

Not sure about the Brazilian strain.

Any mutation that affects the protein spike will require a booster. There are 20 US states now reporting the presence of the South African strain. It spreads faster than the original strain, so the concern now is that it might become the dominant strain in the US. It is also mire lethal.

[magicarpet]

9. Older folk will likely need booster shots to protect from the new variants,.

... that come about as time goes on.

Another issue to consider,... if fewer people are willing to accept the vaccine. The virus will remain around much longer. This gives the virus the chance it needs to make new strains. The more powerful these new strains become the more susceptible the older folk are catching the new strain. Then that new strain reinfecting them because of the compromised immune system of older folks.

We need to ramp up our testing for Covid and testing that factors in the different strains and variants so we can then figure what booster protocols we need to establish so we keep ahead this Covid mutation problem.

It's like playing whack a mole in your medicine cabinet trying to stay one step ahead of an ever evolving and changing virus and pandemic it is causing.

Getting the vaccine is no joke.

Wearing the masks until Fauci gives the all clear.

Getting a national testing plan in place to monitor the original Covid ("WILD&quot and also monitor the new strains and variants. If 50% of the population refuses to get vaccinated. If states continue to rescind mask mandates prematurely but open up for business 100% like Covid never happened.

We could easily see a fourth wave, fifth wave, and sixth wave of Covid 19 and its multiple strains and variants around for a long time to come.

We will regret the Orange Anus ever called the Coronavirus a hoax, the mask a silly little mouth G String, and social distancing Commie bullshit. After trDump and his Team turned the Covid science upside down ,... his fascist base will never take the mitigation strategies seriously and cooperate to rid us of this demon trDump virus.

[wnylib]

21. The 1918 flu pandemic had at least 3 waves.

I think there were actually 4. In between, there were drops in the number of infections to a plateau, lime we currently have. People got lulled into thinking it was over in between waves and stopped taking precautions. This is what the CDC and WHO are concernrd about now.

With the 1918 flu, the later waves were more lethal. Nobody was tracking mutations then, but probably the more lethal waves were caused by newer, more lethal mutations.

[riversedge]

11. 5) "However, the observed low natural immunity in people aged 65 years and older **underlines the ne

5) “However, the observed low natural immunity in people aged 65 years and older **underlines the need to vaccinate previously infected individuals***, in particular in this age group.”

Link to tweet

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[niyad]

14. KNR and bookmarking.

[Rollo]

23. Theoretically it is technically possible to engineer an mRNA vaccine to defeat mutant variants...

Theoretically it is technically possible to engineer an mRNA vaccine to defeat mutant variants. This can be done by adding at least five other sequences in the mRNA vaccine. The virus may be able to mutate around one or two sequences, but the magic number is said to be five.

Bear in mind that I read about this in a science article sometime last year, and I have no knowledge if either of the mRNA based vaccines, Moderna and Pfizer, incorporate this anti-mutation defense scheme.

[sinkingfeeling]

25. The vaccines might provide immunity longer than 6 months, but how do

we know since vaccines have only been available for less than 6 months?