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brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 11:19 PM Mar 2021

Cuomo's First Accuser Raises New Claims of Harassment and Retaliation

Source: New YORKER

On the morning of December 13, 2020, Lindsey Boylan sat in the passenger seat of her family’s car, with her husband at the wheel and her six-year-old daughter in the back. She began typing a series of tweets on her phone. Boylan, a former special adviser to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, had felt increasingly troubled as press reports mentioned Cuomo as a potential Attorney General in the Biden Administration. For more than a year, she had been raising allegations on Twitter that Cuomo presided over a hostile and toxic workplace, initially drawing little attention. A week before, Boylan had tweeted again, and another former Cuomo employee had reached out to her privately, to share a story of being sexually harassed by the Governor. “I felt really responsible for what happened to this woman, because I didn’t do something about it,” Boylan told me, in her first detailed interview about her allegations. She saw the stories about Cuomo’s political prospects as a cause for urgency.

In the car, she began tweeting allegations that Cuomo had sexually harassed her, too. “@NYGovCuomo sexually harassed me for years. Many saw it, and watched,” she wrote. She referenced harassment about her looks and described an unpredictable and intimidating workplace experience. Her husband became aware of the tweets only as the reaction began to build online. “I felt like I was just exploded,” Boylan recalled. “And he felt like he was having a heart attack.”

As Boylan’s disclosures began to draw notice on social media, a group of current and former Cuomo staffers who served as his informal crisis-communications brain trust moved to squash them “in real time,” according to one person with direct knowledge of the effort. Members of that group included Melissa DeRosa, a senior aide; Rich Azzopardi, Cuomo’s spokesperson; and Steven M. Cohen, a former secretary to the Governor. They circulated Boylan’s tweets and held a series of urgent calls. The group had just emerged from a frantic effort to respond to allegations that Cuomo’s office had deliberately undercounted covid-related deaths in New York nursing homes. They were “putting that to bed, and then she pipes up. And then it’s sort of a big scramble,” the person with direct knowledge of the effort told me. “It was, like, what the hell do we do about this?” Cuomo’s advisers arrived at a plan to leak Boylan’s personnel records, which included allegations that Boylan had bullied colleagues, some of them women of color. “The decision was made collectively,” the person with direct knowledge of the effort said. “That these are facts, the reporters should see them.”

An intermediary who says that he was not on the calls, Rich Bamberger, a former communications director for Cuomo who now works for the public-relations firm Kivvit, called several reporters and advised them to contact the Governor’s office. According to the person with knowledge of the conversations, Azzopardi then sent Boylan’s personnel files to reporters. By day’s end, several of the complaints about Boylan had appeared in stories, by the Associated Press, the New York Post, and the Albany-based Times Union. Boylan recalled being stunned by the articles. “I couldn’t move. I couldn’t breathe,” she said. In the ensuing days, Cuomo aides began contacting people who had worked under Boylan—which some of the recipients found intimidating, the Wall Street Journal reported last week. Cuomo advisers also considered releasing a letter attacking Boylan’s credibility and reputation, drafts of which were first reported by the Times this week. They ultimately decided against releasing the letter. “My life was, you know, for a period, destroyed,” Boylan told me. In a statement, Beth Garvey, Cuomo’s acting counsel, said, “With certain limited exceptions, as a general matter, it is within a government entity’s discretion to share redacted employment records, including in instances when members of the media ask for such public information and when it is for the purpose of correcting inaccurate or misleading statements.”

Boylan’s allegations largely faded from public view, until last month, when she posted a detailed account of her experience on Medium. Boylan told me, during a series of lengthy interviews, that she decided to disclose her allegations via online posts and initially declined interview requests from journalists because “having someone dissect my trauma is not something I wanted.” She said that the essay took her more than a month to write. “I realized I had to own this experience,” she told me. “It was something I was going to have to talk about eventually.” A series of disclosures about Cuomo from other women, including multiple allegations of harassment and one of groping, quickly followed Boylan’s. “Seeing Lindsey’s story was a huge factor in my decision to come forward,” Charlotte Bennett, a former Cuomo staffer who began publicly discussing her account of sexual harassment by the Governor after Boylan’s Medium post, told me. “Coming forward didn’t feel like a choice—it felt like my responsibility to validate Lindsey’s story and signal to others that it was O.K. to come forward.”


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Cuomo's First Accuser Raises New Claims of Harassment and Retaliation (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2021 OP
I Feel Like I've Seen This Movie Before Where an Accusation Keep Growing or Being Embellished Indykatie Mar 2021 #1
All seven of them are lying? brooklynite Mar 2021 #2
Lying, embellishing, telling a story that has absolutely no relation to harassment nor sexual, but.. Budi Mar 2021 #6
Maybe because Cuomo has a lot more money and power and could make her life hell. pnwmom Mar 2021 #14
I don't think Cuomo has more money than Boylan's husband. George II Mar 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Mar 2021 #29
Her husband became aware of the tweets only as the reaction began to build online" caber09 Mar 2021 #23
If she refused to testify... Historic NY Mar 2021 #27
Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #19
Yes, for whatever reasons they have...The same thing happened with Tara Reade... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #41
Both Tara Reade and Lucy Flores made their claims against Biden around the same time... George II Mar 2021 #52
Yep, I thinks so too. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Mar 2021 #69
Yeah, I have, too. And Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby went to prison. n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #5
Bs. Who did Cuomo rape ? Budi Mar 2021 #7
women testified under oath against them JI7 Mar 2021 #9
Not at first they didn't. For years it was just stories. n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #12
Hmm boylan doesn't seem afraid of the attention... caber09 Mar 2021 #20
She needs the press attention Historic NY Mar 2021 #28
Cosby and Weinstein drugged and raped people. Nixie Mar 2021 #38
Its interesting that people ignore the actions of Cuomo's staff tulipsandroses Mar 2021 #3
Why did her Atty advise her not to testify under oath. Budi Mar 2021 #4
Why did they leak her personnel file? n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #13
Because she was fired from State Government... Historic NY Mar 2021 #30
So it sounds like she was the one causing a hostile Nixie Mar 2021 #37
That's a gross misreading of that information. The public part of her file was public. pnwmom Mar 2021 #40
So she confirmed what was leaked? Historic NY Mar 2021 #44
So you're saying they're lying? n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #48
No but if those complaints against her went to human resources Historic NY Mar 2021 #50
Are the other women lying who accused Boylan of Nixie Mar 2021 #51
This what-aboutism is getting old. The issue is about Cuomo's pattern of sexual harassment, pnwmom Mar 2021 #54
Enbellished to the hilt for max media exposure. For personal gain. Budi Mar 2021 #57
In case you haven't noticed, plenty of Democrats have spoken out against Cuomo's behaviors, pnwmom Mar 2021 #58
And plenty of them did. Maybe they learned something from the Franken pile-on Budi Mar 2021 #60
Cuomo's and Franken's personalities are as different as night and day. n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #61
But the smear campaign against them reeks of the same m.o., by the same players Budi Mar 2021 #65
There are 8 women, so you're saying that all 8, 7 of whom are Democratic staffers, are lying. pnwmom Mar 2021 #66
She & the stories that immediately followed all are hearsay with zero provability Budi Mar 2021 #67
Some people think they can sexually harass their employees as long as they do it privately. pnwmom Mar 2021 #68
So all women are not to be believed. Thanks for confirming. Only the ones Nixie Mar 2021 #62
Every person, both accuser and accused, has to be judged individually. pnwmom Mar 2021 #64
This article is about a smear campaign frazzled Mar 2021 #8
Oh it's a smear campaign alright!! Budi Mar 2021 #53
What exactly frazzled Mar 2021 #71
I think people should read & re-read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". Budi Mar 2021 #72
Post removed Post removed Mar 2021 #73
Trashing PortTack Mar 2021 #10
Boylan WHITT Mar 2021 #11
Why do you think it was impossible for them to be sitting near each other? n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #15
She originally said it was him her an aide and trooper.. caber09 Mar 2021 #22
If you sat on a plane with a bunch of people, and one of them humiliated you, pnwmom Mar 2021 #32
Her own fellow staffers also on the same small plane said.. Budi Mar 2021 #55
It seems that remarks of his like that were so common that they were just pnwmom Mar 2021 #56
Well there aren't many choices on state aircraft.... Historic NY Mar 2021 #31
Maybe he meant when the plane lands Polybius Mar 2021 #39
The flight was BACK to Albany or NYC from Western NYS, so no hotels..... George II Mar 2021 #49
I'm tired of losing competent people kaotikross Mar 2021 #16
I mostly agree. hamsterjill Mar 2021 #70
I say wait for the investigation eilen Mar 2021 #17
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Mar 2021 #18
That's a good idea bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #21
I say, let the investigation follow EEOC guidelines, which means that he should temporarily pnwmom Mar 2021 #33
Did any of Cuomo's accusers file charges with EEOC? Beastly Boy Mar 2021 #59
+1000 nt Javaman Mar 2021 #35
Good! Let's depose all the accusers, compare their accusations and investigate! Beastly Boy Mar 2021 #24
Two have refused to testify under oath. George II Mar 2021 #25
Good! Let's disregard these two and investigate the rest. Beastly Boy Mar 2021 #36
The two that refused to testify are the two most outspoken - Boylan and Bennett. George II Mar 2021 #42
And that says it all...Cuomo should sue them. They won't testify because they are aware of Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #43
What this does is increase skepticism about real complaints that warrant investigation and action... George II Mar 2021 #45
That is why I am so angry about this. As a victim of sexual assault who ended up in the hospital... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #47
Ronan Farrow. jeffreyi Mar 2021 #34
Hmm, I remember when a flirtatious boss made some women feel good about themselves as long as joetheman Mar 2021 #46
This is from August 2018, a couple of months before she resigned after being accused of harassing... George II Mar 2021 #63
Let's just destroy the guy, right? hamsterjill Mar 2021 #74
That is honestly the WORST response to the Cuomo story I've heard brooklynite Mar 2021 #75
Like I said - here come the insults. hamsterjill Mar 2021 #76
If you find criticism of your opinion insulting, perhaps you shouldn't hang out on a public forum brooklynite Mar 2021 #77
I don't care what you think. hamsterjill Mar 2021 #78
"no matter how well they've done on COVID policy." Gruff B. Gus Mar 2021 #79

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
1. I Feel Like I've Seen This Movie Before Where an Accusation Keep Growing or Being Embellished
Thu Mar 18, 2021, 11:54 PM
Mar 2021

Or everyday another woman comes forward with yet another accusation. I still hope Cuomo holds out for investigation so we don't add to a precedent of a politician (even an unpopular one) being driven from office without the benefit of an investigation. I know from an experience in my own family women do lie and use sexual accusations as a weapon to hurt or punish a man.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. Lying, embellishing, telling a story that has absolutely no relation to harassment nor sexual, but..
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:37 AM
Mar 2021

....like the telephone game.

Why would Boylan's Atty advise her not to testify under oath, following her 4 hr meeting with investigators.

What happened?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
14. Maybe because Cuomo has a lot more money and power and could make her life hell.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:29 AM
Mar 2021

And you obviously didn't read her allegations, because then you'd know she said he kissed her, which would clearly be sexual harassment.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

 

caber09

(666 posts)
23. Her husband became aware of the tweets only as the reaction began to build online"
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:29 AM
Mar 2021

She had been tweeting this info and expressing herself to writers but her husband didn't have a clue about any of this?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
27. If she refused to testify...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:51 AM
Mar 2021

its because she doesn't really want the truth to come out, the truth why she was fired. What makes this any different that the TR case its following the same pattern. Boylan need to raise her profile in her campaign, why not use the 800 hundred pound gorilla. She used the same claims that were brushed aside in her Congressional race. What changed??????????????????????????????????????????

Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
41. Yes, for whatever reasons they have...The same thing happened with Tara Reade...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:18 PM
Mar 2021

And we know she was lying. Boylan is making a super Pac to get rid of Schumer and Gillibrand -wouldn't trust any of them. I feel that there needs to be changes in the moment ...not years later when it will undoubtedly end up being impossible to prove or disprove. And we simply can't allow this sort of thing to work or none of our leaders will be safe.

George II

(67,782 posts)
52. Both Tara Reade and Lucy Flores made their claims against Biden around the same time...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:51 PM
Mar 2021

...(I forget the actual sequence) Both went away once holes got poked in each of them.

Like the claims against Cuomo, there are common threads connecting some of Biden's accusers to "outsiders".

Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. Bs. Who did Cuomo rape ?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:40 AM
Mar 2021

Why won't Boylan's atty let her testify under oath?
She sure has a lot to say to everyone else!

 

caber09

(666 posts)
20. Hmm boylan doesn't seem afraid of the attention...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:07 AM
Mar 2021

No reason for her not to testify or cooperate

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
28. She needs the press attention
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 10:03 AM
Mar 2021

[link:https://gothamist.com/news/whos-running-manhattan-borough-president|]


Fine to make claims but when your not willing to testify under oath? What's she and her attorney afraid of?

Nixie

(16,954 posts)
38. Cosby and Weinstein drugged and raped people.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:49 AM
Mar 2021

Who has Cuomo drugged and raped? There’s also the Hollywood angle to both of them—-put out or you don’t get the part that will make you a rich movie star. It’s a lot different than some alleged office banter.

This kind of morphing is a real turnoff and it does no good for real victims.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
3. Its interesting that people ignore the actions of Cuomo's staff
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:15 AM
Mar 2021

Fish rots from the head.

People take their cues from leadership. President Obama ran a tight ship - he lead by example. Employees acted accordingly
then you have trump - unruly, chaotic, corrupt - his staff acted accordingly

Not the first time I'm hearing of bad behavior coming from Cuomo's staff. And not just heard, there are text messages of his staff being acting a fool and cursing at an official. Where does that come from? Where are they taking their cues from?
Their first instinct was not to deny the claims, it was to destroy this woman's reputation. Why?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. Why did her Atty advise her not to testify under oath.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:24 AM
Mar 2021

If she can say it to the Maggie Haberman at NY Times, New Yorker, Media outlets, & social media political sights & her new fundraising PAC, She certainly must be telling the same truth as she'd tell under oath, right?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
30. Because she was fired from State Government...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 10:17 AM
Mar 2021

its a public record, she was a public employee and certain info was redacted. It's not private information. You call it a leak they call it a rebuttal. What did she expect?

[link:https://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/drawtheline.html|]

Nixie

(16,954 posts)
37. So it sounds like she was the one causing a hostile
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:44 AM
Mar 2021

work environment. An opportunist with political aspirations. Who else do we know like this? Interesting.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
40. That's a gross misreading of that information. The public part of her file was public.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:18 PM
Mar 2021

The part that was leaked had to be leaked -- and not just officially passed to reporters -- because it was private.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
50. No but if those complaints against her went to human resources
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:53 PM
Mar 2021

and there was a hearing it becomes public information.

Nixie

(16,954 posts)
51. Are the other women lying who accused Boylan of
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:11 PM
Mar 2021

bullying? Or are only some women to be believed, especially if they fit political goals of getting Cuomo out of the way.

It’s also interesting she indicates she timed her allegations to pile on after Cuomo’s office appeared to be handling the nursing home accusations.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
54. This what-aboutism is getting old. The issue is about Cuomo's pattern of sexual harassment,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:56 PM
Mar 2021

both in and out of the office.


 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
57. Enbellished to the hilt for max media exposure. For personal gain.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:08 PM
Mar 2021

That alone should be a call for a lawsuit against her.
Defamation. Sit her under oath & repeat the story she's been telling everywhere.

Odd that the same group pushing Tara Reade is pushing this one.
Oh yes, and also FOX & OAN, Russia's propaganda disinfo machine.

Who benefits for RU?
Donald Trump




pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
58. In case you haven't noticed, plenty of Democrats have spoken out against Cuomo's behaviors,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:13 PM
Mar 2021

who did NOT support Tara Reade's lies.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
60. And plenty of them did. Maybe they learned something from the Franken pile-on
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:20 PM
Mar 2021

Gillibrand has chosen to stay quiet on this one.
VP Harris as well.

Odd that BOTH have now become a target of harassment & election threats for staying out of this mine field, from the same group ( ⚘ ) who shoved Tara Read out to the media to weaken candidate Biden.

Turns out it was a wise choice as Boylen & Bennet's own Attys are advising them to NOT testify under oath.

There's only one reason an Atty would advise like that.

Perjury.



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
65. But the smear campaign against them reeks of the same m.o., by the same players
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:06 PM
Mar 2021

She's lying

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
66. There are 8 women, so you're saying that all 8, 7 of whom are Democratic staffers, are lying.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:25 PM
Mar 2021

yeah, right.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
67. She & the stories that immediately followed all are hearsay with zero provability
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:46 PM
Mar 2021

Makes it suspicious that atty's advise against the 1st two ever telling those stories under oath.

For a well coordinated sexual assault campaign against the NY Gov, they are off to a rather suspicious start.
Makes it appear coordinated, stories with no provability, Boylen jumps out with a PAC within a week of her story, now refuses to tell the same story she shopped to the media, ..under oath.
Bennett's 'damning' party pic isn't selling like the assault she expected it to, & now ALSO won't tell the truth under oath..
Kinda blows the credibility for the whole obviously coordinated effort of the rest.

It is a political maneuver we've seen & rightly called bs on before. TARA READE.

Ya can only 'Cry Wolf' so many times before it becomes an 'eyeroll'.

Testify under oath.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
68. Some people think they can sexually harass their employees as long as they do it privately.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 04:15 PM
Mar 2021

But that's not true. If other women have experienced the same thing, and patterns are clear, a hostile workplace can be established.

Nixie

(16,954 posts)
62. So all women are not to be believed. Thanks for confirming. Only the ones
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:39 PM
Mar 2021

who support the narrative of piling on Cuomo.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
64. Every person, both accuser and accused, has to be judged individually.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:01 PM
Mar 2021

And judged in light of sexual harassment laws. The whole country should have learned this lesson during the Anita Hill hearings.

Did Clarence Thomas rape Anita Hill? Did he threaten her? No, he created a hostile work environment, with the things he said to her.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. This article is about a smear campaign
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:48 AM
Mar 2021

By high-up Cuomo operatives. (A similar story appeared in the New York Times yesterday).

And what are most in this thread doing with it? Smearing the women. I was gonna say a lot of stuff, but I can’t even. Disgusted, but not surprised.






 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
53. Oh it's a smear campaign alright!!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:52 PM
Mar 2021

Smear smear smear~

So was Tara Reade.
She smeared it all over Putin's propaganda TV show, OAN . She even sat there on OAN & did interviews!!

SMEAR is correct.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
71. What exactly
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:14 PM
Mar 2021

Is your passionate defense about? Aren’t we supposed to await the outcome of an investigation? Of course, powerful rich men always get the benefit of the doubt in such investigations.

I think you should watch Promising Young Woman right away. Great thriller, and funny too. And really scary.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
72. I think people should read & re-read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:16 PM
Mar 2021

There's a message for the ages in that story.

Response to Budi (Reply #72)

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
11. Boylan
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:14 AM
Mar 2021

has yet to explain how Cuomo asked her to play strip poker on a plane when, not only was it impossible for them to be sitting next to one another, but it was impossible for them to be sitting anywhere even near one another.

Is she claiming he stood up and yelled it down the aisle from the other end of the plane?

Do these people think we're as gullible and stupid as their supporters?


 

caber09

(666 posts)
22. She originally said it was him her an aide and trooper..
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:21 AM
Mar 2021

She was going to expand on that story...when..maybe her next essay or article in two weeks or when she deems time to release...oh wait logs said she was never on a plane with just other three people...so onto..the next thing she remembers...when she loses the Manhattan boro Pres race what will she run for next...what will she reveal during that campaign?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
32. If you sat on a plane with a bunch of people, and one of them humiliated you,
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 10:43 AM
Mar 2021

who would you remember?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
55. Her own fellow staffers also on the same small plane said..
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 01:58 PM
Mar 2021

IT NEVER HAPPENED.
They were all there in a close area.

Someone's not telling the truth.
And refuses to say it under oath, as advised by her Atty. After taliking for 3-4 hrs to investigators.
Why? What happened in the interview that made her own top-line Atty advise Against Saying Her Story Under Oath?

Its bs. That why.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
56. It seems that remarks of his like that were so common that they were just
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:01 PM
Mar 2021

part of the background noise, if you didn't happen to be the target.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
31. Well there aren't many choices on state aircraft....
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 10:37 AM
Mar 2021

The Gov. is using the new (used) one the State Police purchased so its also used as an emergency aircraft, Sikorsky S-76 I would image its civilian 10 passenger configuration is reduced due to rescue equipment. When its available he can use it.



[link:|]

George II

(67,782 posts)
49. The flight was BACK to Albany or NYC from Western NYS, so no hotels.....
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:50 PM
Mar 2021

Plus she said it was a "tax-paid jet", except that NYS doesn't own any jets, just turboprops.

kaotikross

(246 posts)
16. I'm tired of losing competent people
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:11 AM
Mar 2021

They did it to Franken while we sat through four years of top level douchery from Donald Dump. Levy a fine against Cuomo, make him take harassment classes, whatever, but dems need to stop ditching otherwise competent people. Nobody is perfect, men can be dumb. Nobody was fondled or raped. Remember Tara Reid? This is just more GOP smear tactics.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
70. I mostly agree.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:51 PM
Mar 2021

I’ll get flamed for this but (as a a woman) I feel we empower women by encouraging them to call out harassment at the time it happens. Stand up and loudly proclaim “Stop. You are making me feel uncomfortable.”

This reporting it years down the line (while understandable) does nothing to make it stop at the source.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
17. I say wait for the investigation
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:23 AM
Mar 2021

There is an actual procedure for reporting sexual harassment in NY State like any organization. What it provides is an official paper trail. There is no reason to remain exposed to hostile work environment. But if she thinks reporting it to Twitter would be more helpful (well, of course she was not working there anymore...) Personally, I think it was more about wanting publicity while engaged in a political contest in NY.

I have no doubt that Cuomo's office is very tough to work in. He is a self-described control freak and there are many accounts of how he is aggressive when he perceives a threat to reaching his goals whether it was getting his father elected, getting funding on HUD projects, getting a bridge built or obtaining ventilators for NYC in a pandemic. It is a high pressure culture and environment. However I also believe that no place beats the White House during the Trump years for title of Most Toxic Workplace.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
21. That's a good idea
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:19 AM
Mar 2021

It will be as close as they'll ever get to the truth. I question whether memories are always accurate. Do you have items from childhood that you haven't seen in 40 years? When I retrieve them I find the items don't quite match my memories. Displeasure and anger can distort or embellish memories. I'm not saying nothing happened there, but that a ratcheting up process is underway. Suppressed resentment rebounds more strongly. The pattern of several accusers is perhaps the biggest evidence. That's how investigators will tease out their findings. I suspect one or two are overstating the case. Let the professionals do their job.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
33. I say, let the investigation follow EEOC guidelines, which means that he should temporarily
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 10:44 AM
Mar 2021

take a leave without pay, so he won't be unduly influencing the testimony of people who are still working for him.

Beastly Boy

(9,345 posts)
59. Did any of Cuomo's accusers file charges with EEOC?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:13 PM
Mar 2021

That would be the first step in the process.

I am not familiar with the EEOC guideline you are referring to (perhaps you can link me to it), but here are some guidelines that are required for EEOC to investigate:

The Stages of an EEOC Investigation
1. Someone Files a Charge

The process begins when someone files a charge with the EEOC or, for state claims, with the appropriate state agency such as the Department of Fair Housing and Employment in California.

If a victim comes to you with allegations of discrimination, investigate properly so it doesn’t have to escalate. Use our EEO Investigation Checklist for guidance.

Charges generally must be made within 180 days of the last discriminatory act and do not need to be filed by the direct victim. Charges require three pieces of information:

A summary of the incident(s)
Details about the employer
The date of the last violation

A charge may be assigned priority if the preliminary facts indicate a violation occurred. On the contrary, a charge may be dismissed at any point in time if the EEOC concludes the incident did not violate the law.


This is the first step. Without it, EEOC guidelines lack context. The last stage of an EEOC investifgation is to make a determination. I don't see how, or why, anyone would apply any of the EEOC guidelines to any case prior to its completion of this last stage.

Beastly Boy

(9,345 posts)
24. Good! Let's depose all the accusers, compare their accusations and investigate!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:34 AM
Mar 2021

But I am beginning to suspect that the discussions on this matter, regardless of the validity of the accusations in question, are becoming more of an effort to get Cuomo out of the governor's office rather than pursuing ju8stice for the accusers. Using the accusers to this end is just as disrespectful to them, if not more so, as what Cuomo may have done to them.

This is becoming more about exacting revenge than seeking justice, and blatantly using the accusers to that end.

Beastly Boy

(9,345 posts)
36. Good! Let's disregard these two and investigate the rest.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 11:38 AM
Mar 2021

It has been well established at this point that accusations of misconduct against Cuomo exist. This is not news. No sense beating a dead horse. I would rather hear of news on the investigation front. Oddly, nobody is reporting it. Perhaps there is nothing to report other than hype.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
43. And that says it all...Cuomo should sue them. They won't testify because they are aware of
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:25 PM
Mar 2021

the penalty for perjury most likely. Fairfax's accuser in Virginia pulled the same thing and first accuser won't testify under oath either and she was fired from what I hear. And she lost her House race...trying to win an election IMHO using the Me TOO movement which really pissed me off.

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. What this does is increase skepticism about real complaints that warrant investigation and action...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:27 PM
Mar 2021

It's getting to the point where some truly valid complaints are looked at with doubt.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
47. That is why I am so angry about this. As a victim of sexual assault who ended up in the hospital...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Mar 2021

after the attack, I despise women who pile on or equate a kiss on a cheek at a wedding with sexual assault. They make it harder for women like me to get justice. The man who attacked me was not brought to trial...I was at a bar you see so I was 'asking' for it. A few years later he was imprisoned for later attacks which would not have happened had he been sent to prison for assaulting me.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
46. Hmm, I remember when a flirtatious boss made some women feel good about themselves as long as
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 12:30 PM
Mar 2021

the flirtations went no further than comments or a conversation. Same thing among co-workers. Women seemed to know how to handle unwanted advances and most men checked themselves after the first rebuke or "no" In fact, many long-term relationships and marriages began in the workplace. My former boss (20 years ago) was an equal opportunity flirt but never "harassed" anyone. He just seemed to be able to make the all the women feel positive about themselves. I guess those days are over Glad I don't have to try to find a wife these days. I would be scared to make a pass.

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. This is from August 2018, a couple of months before she resigned after being accused of harassing...
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 02:47 PM
Mar 2021

....and belittling other people in Cuomo's administration:

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
74. Let's just destroy the guy, right?
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 AM
Mar 2021

The accusers have a right to be heard.

But Cuomo has rights, too. Let the investigation proceed and draw to conclusion.

If Democrats insist that every male candidate for public office has absolutely no skeletons in his closet, for a certain age bracket AT LEAST, there won’t be any candidates. And that goes well beyond just the “old guys”. There are different social norms in different generations AND in different geographical areas. Does that make harassment appropriate? No! But what if the accused is doing something that was quite normal and ordinary at the time it happened? Do we go back decades and despise these men?

Let’s just let the investigation proceed and see what the end result is. Then, if appropriate, action can and should be taken.

Preparing for the insults now...

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
75. That is honestly the WORST response to the Cuomo story I've heard
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 01:08 PM
Mar 2021

We should give some measure of dispensation to people of "a certain age bracket"? Seriously? What age bracket would that be? Cuomo is 63. I'm 61. I've worked with women, worked FOR women and had women work for me. I've never acted inappropriately with them or in their presence and every employer I've had would consider such behavior grounds for disciplinary action, up to and including termination.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
76. Like I said - here come the insults.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 01:48 PM
Mar 2021

Times change. Social norms evolve. What was deemed appropriate in one era may not be in another. You want to go back to the sixties and hold every man accountable who did not allow his wife to have her own financial accounts? That’s going to be a tall order then.

Let’s get one thing straight. Democrats are made up of people of many mindsets and none of us have to confirm to the opinions of some who think they have a monopoly on what a Democrat should be. I’m tired of people condemning ANYONE before a proper investigation is had and is complete. THAT was made perfectly clear in my post. I fully expected to be pounced on for my view (as was also indicated in my post) and you did not disappoint.

We’ve lost too many talented Democratic candidates in the drive to have perfection. Cuomo deserves to have his side heard as do his accusers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having that. Condemning him BEFORE that has happened is not what a Democrat should want and it’s unAmerican.

I’ll not engage further with someone who can’t discuss without insult.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
77. If you find criticism of your opinion insulting, perhaps you shouldn't hang out on a public forum
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 02:27 PM
Mar 2021

My opinions are criticized endlessly and I don’t try to claim I’m being insulted.

As for you follow up comments, we’re not talking about Cuomo’s. Eva Kirin the 60s. We’re talking about events that happened in the past few years. No excuse applies in my opinion no matter how well they’ve done on COVID policy.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
78. I don't care what you think.
Sat Mar 20, 2021, 02:43 PM
Mar 2021

I’ve read many posts on the Cuomo subject and in MY opinion it feels like most are condemning him without giving him the chance to present his side - which he can/will do in a legitimate investigation. I want to hear BOTH sides. I want facts.

There is no need to condemn him or ask him to resign before the investigation is complete. It’s not like he’s going to leave the country to evade an investigation, do you think? He’s the one who asked for this to be investigated.

If that bothers someone, then that’s their issue to deal with. He’s said he won’t resign and I have no reason not to believe him. So, I guess some here will just have to continue to be worked up over this subject until something changes. More accusers either coming forward or not coming forward will not change my desire for there to be an investigation.

I hope you’re okay with that, but if you’re not, you’re in a tough spot because he’s not leaving office.

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