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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 11:54 AM Apr 2021

Fears of White People Losing Out Permeate Capitol Rioters' Towns, Study Finds

Source: New York Times/Todays Global Media

April 6, 2021

When the political scientist Robert Pape began studying the issues that motivated the 380 or so people arrested in connection with the attack against the Capitol on Jan. 6, he expected to find that the rioters were driven to violence by the lingering effects of the 2008 Great Recession.

But instead he found something very different: Most of the people who took part in the assault came from places, his polling and demographic data showed, that were awash in fears that the rights of minorities and immigrants were crowding out the rights of white people in American politics and culture.

If Mr. Pape’s initial conclusions — published on Tuesday in The Washington Post — hold true, they would suggest that the Capitol attack has historical echoes reaching back to before the Civil War, he said in an interview over the weekend. In the shorter term, he added, the study would appear to connect Jan. 6 not only to the once-fringe right-wing theory called the Great Replacement, which holds that minorities and immigrants are seeking to take over the country, but also to events like the far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 where crowds of white men marched with torches chanting, “Jews will not replace us!”

“If you look back in history, there has always been a series of far-right extremist movements responding to new waves of immigration to the United States or to movements for civil rights by minority groups,” Mr. Pape said. “You see a common pattern in the Capitol insurrectionists. They are mainly middle-class to upper-middle-class whites who are worried that, as social changes occur around them, they will see a decline in their status in the future.”

Read more: https://todaysglobalmedia.com/politics/fears-of-white-people-losing-out-permeate-capitol-rioters-towns-study-finds/



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Fears of White People Losing Out Permeate Capitol Rioters' Towns, Study Finds (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2021 OP
Mostly people who live in towns with little or no minorities to speak of. marble falls Apr 2021 #1
+1 dalton99a Apr 2021 #9
Actually, the WaPo article cited Texans in areas that had seen the most loss of white residents. Lonestarblue Apr 2021 #14
I will bet VERY few of those arrested see any minorities that aren't watching their kids, ... marble falls Apr 2021 #16
Not true, many were from liberal cities in California and other places JI7 Apr 2021 #27
The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. soothsayer Apr 2021 #2
You just gave me some insight into the new Netflix series "The Irregulars" nuxvomica Apr 2021 #24
They don't realize immigrants are just scapegoats used by the real culprits, the rich and powerful, LaMouffette Apr 2021 #3
+1 Delmette2.0 Apr 2021 #17
Bingo But Add Religion DanieRains Apr 2021 #19
Yes, great point not fooled Apr 2021 #21
My mind is permanently blown that Tycoon Trump was able to convince his supporters that LaMouffette Apr 2021 #30
What does this have to do with The New York Times ? pidge Apr 2021 #4
The NYT is the original source of the article. Which was then picked up and published by... DonViejo Apr 2021 #8
Just don't ask us to thank Trump... LanternWaste Apr 2021 #35
Huh ? pidge Apr 2021 #39
I urge people to read "Democracy in Chains" by Nancy MacLean pandr32 Apr 2021 #5
It is the history and #1 dogma of conservatism... Grins Apr 2021 #6
The language of scarcity. Collimator Apr 2021 #15
IF.... Grins Apr 2021 #7
"If you can convince the lowest white man... nycbos Apr 2021 #10
That's why Fox "News" exists Mysterian Apr 2021 #28
I expect many of their families only came here BumRushDaShow Apr 2021 #11
As a white person DownriverDem Apr 2021 #12
The most naive man in the world award goes to Robert Pope hibbing Apr 2021 #13
Seriously. Obvious. betsuni Apr 2021 #34
It makes sense bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #18
Knuckle draggers and tongue chewers don't have Rush anymore. The anger has been 35 years in making. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #20
I'm Asian... Hmongliberal Apr 2021 #22
Welcome to DU. oasis Apr 2021 #38
Basically Plantation Mentality. Everyone in their place. n/t MarcA Apr 2021 #23
'When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression' The Mouth Apr 2021 #25
Jesus I wish someone would fund me to come to such a blatantly obvious conclusion. intheflow Apr 2021 #26
Yeah, but the academic studies that show things have their place. summer_in_TX Apr 2021 #37
Anthropologically speaking it's called "Racial resentment", not Racisim. BadGimp Apr 2021 #29
white fear of losing their coveted status is what fuels REPUBLICANS Skittles Apr 2021 #31
Is everyone gobsmacked that the insurrection, at its core, was about race? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2021 #33
I'm okay with this Random Boomer Apr 2021 #36

Lonestarblue

(9,984 posts)
14. Actually, the WaPo article cited Texans in areas that had seen the most loss of white residents.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

Texas had around 36 people I think who attacked the Capitol. Several of them were from Collin County north of Dallas that had seen more minorities moving into their neighborhoods. I can only surmise that the insurrectionists get angry when they see minorities moving into their neighborhoods because it means those same minorities can afford the same housing they can, which puts them on equal footing—and that’s the source of resentment.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
16. I will bet VERY few of those arrested see any minorities that aren't watching their kids, ...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:31 PM
Apr 2021

... cleaning their house, landscaping their yards, cooking their food (and they may never see those people except for busboys). Not exactly "living with 'them'".

I have family all over Texas, including Dallas/Ft Worth, and I live just west of Austin. I got a pretty good handle on Texans.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
27. Not true, many were from liberal cities in California and other places
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:05 PM
Apr 2021

liberal areas tend to have high populations so even a small percentage of Republicans there outnumber Republicans in red areas.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
2. The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:01 PM
Apr 2021

The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.
- Antonio Gramsci

nuxvomica

(12,422 posts)
24. You just gave me some insight into the new Netflix series "The Irregulars"
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 03:42 PM
Apr 2021

I hadn't considered that it was an allegory for the anti-democratic wave challenging liberal democracies today. In the story, a rip in the barrier between our world and other dimensions has appeared somewhere in Victorian London. Otherwise sane people start acting crazy and violent, and the cognizant, like Holmes and Watson, often refer to the arrival of monsters to our world.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
3. They don't realize immigrants are just scapegoats used by the real culprits, the rich and powerful,
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:14 PM
Apr 2021

to keep the bottom 99 percent of us from noticing the great crimes and injustices of unregulated capitalism run amok.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
21. Yes, great point
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:59 PM
Apr 2021

most white 'Muricans have much more in common with other workers--of any color or origin--than the rich 'puke politicians who pander to them. That's what the rich and powerful are so desperate to keep all of them from realizing. "Rugged individualism" and racism play right into their strategy.

LaMouffette

(2,030 posts)
30. My mind is permanently blown that Tycoon Trump was able to convince his supporters that
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:10 PM
Apr 2021

he is one of them.

I guess all he had to do was give them people and institutions to hate (immigrants, Jewish folks, Black folks, Muslim folks, and, of course, all Democrats [especially the Obamas, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer], all liberals, and any news media that dared to convey any negative stories about Dear Leader), and they were like putty in his hands.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. The NYT is the original source of the article. Which was then picked up and published by...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:16 PM
Apr 2021

Todays Global Media

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
5. I urge people to read "Democracy in Chains" by Nancy MacLean
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:34 PM
Apr 2021

The best I've read that explains this problem from before the Civil War to now in a very readable way. It had been recommended once on Obama's reading list and so I nabbed it, and wow!

Grins

(7,217 posts)
6. It is the history and #1 dogma of conservatism...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:38 PM
Apr 2021

“If someone gets anything that must mean I have less.”

And “anything” includes property, voting, equal opportunity, etc. See professor Corey Robins’ books on conservatism, who goes into far more detail.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
15. The language of scarcity.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:29 PM
Apr 2021

To some people it is not just money and housing and tangible resources that are scarce, even love and status are part of a zero sum game.

God forbid some black person should be allowed to walk around free in this country and even achieve something with their life, 'cause somehow that mean less respect for me.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
7. IF....
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 12:44 PM
Apr 2021
“...he expected to find that the rioters were driven to violence by the lingering effects of the 2008 Great Recession” he was under a self-inflicted delusion.

The “lingering effects” from 2008 was prosperity. Even the mango-demagogue said so.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
10. "If you can convince the lowest white man...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 01:59 PM
Apr 2021

... he is better than the best colored man he won't notice you picking his pockets."

- LBJ

Mysterian

(4,587 posts)
28. That's why Fox "News" exists
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:18 PM
Apr 2021

To help the ruling class stay in total control by convincing the gullible among the working class that scary minorities, foreigners and liberals are the enemy.

BumRushDaShow

(128,914 posts)
11. I expect many of their families only came here
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:08 PM
Apr 2021

after the Civil War and later, including all the Ellis Island ones during the early 20th century.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
12. As a white person
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:12 PM
Apr 2021

I abhor white repub trumpers. I do all I can to make sure folks know I am not one of them.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
13. The most naive man in the world award goes to Robert Pope
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:12 PM
Apr 2021

I mean really, come on. His whole campaign and presidency was based on racism from day one, I saw it, everyone here saw it and we are still dealing with this false narrative about "economic anxiety".


Peace

bucolic_frolic

(43,148 posts)
18. It makes sense
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:37 PM
Apr 2021

Most populations, and rurals in particular, remain in the same locale, generally, for many generations if not hundreds of years. So they are to an extent cultural enclaves with values that are unchanging.

 

Hmongliberal

(39 posts)
22. I'm Asian...
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 02:59 PM
Apr 2021

Hmong American Asian, to be exact. And I am a first generation college grad attorney. My people didn’t ask to come here. But when America was in deep with the Cold War and stuck its nose in what was going on during Vietnam, she came calling to my people. We were content living in the highland hills of Laos minding our business. But we also believed in freedom and liberty; and thus agreed to take up arms in support of America and her cause. The Hmong were heroic and did a damn good job fighting the communist during Laos’ secret war. Don’t Fucking say my people didn’t bleed and die for America, cause we did. And when America pulled out, we were persecuted and butchered like animals. So we had to come. And when we arrived, White folks said we needed to learn their ways, speak english, get jobs, pay taxes, etc, etc. And so we did all that. And now some Whites are using the excuse that we’ve become too successful? That we are gonna take over? WTF, is all I have to say. We don’t want to take over. We are all a part of this experiment called humanity, and at the end if the day, we just want what the majority of sound minded people want in this country. That’s all.

intheflow

(28,464 posts)
26. Jesus I wish someone would fund me to come to such a blatantly obvious conclusion.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:05 PM
Apr 2021

Everyone is on about economic insecurity, but as I've said since 45's election, it's the racism, Stupid!

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
37. Yeah, but the academic studies that show things have their place.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:53 PM
Apr 2021

Defining what's going on correctly when there are competing rational explanations perhaps keeps the problem-solvers from going off track. And maybe it helps us keep folks from trying on excuses that are just distractions from the truth.

Seems to me, anyway.

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
29. Anthropologically speaking it's called "Racial resentment", not Racisim.
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 04:39 PM
Apr 2021

"polling and demographic data showed, that were awash in fears that the rights of minorities and immigrants were crowding out the rights of white people in American politics and culture."

How dare those people try to become equal to me!

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
31. white fear of losing their coveted status is what fuels REPUBLICANS
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:28 PM
Apr 2021

that's why fear and ignorance WORKS on them

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
32. Is everyone gobsmacked that the insurrection, at its core, was about race?
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 05:30 PM
Apr 2021

Coulda knocked me over with a hammer.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
36. I'm okay with this
Tue Apr 6, 2021, 06:40 PM
Apr 2021
They are mainly middle-class to upper-middle-class whites who are worried that, as social changes occur around them, they will see a decline in their status in the future.


Yeah, I have no problem with this at all.
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