CDC chief says Michigan should 'shut things down,' vaccinating alone won't stop Covid surge
Source: CNBC
I think if we try to vaccinate our way out of what is happening in Michigan, we would be disappointed that it took so long for the vaccine to work, to actually have the impact, Walensky said during a White House briefing on the pandemic. It takes several weeks for immunizations to kick in and reduce the caseload, she noted.
The states best bet, Walensky said, is to really close things down.
Walensky called on Michigan to go back to where we were last spring, last summer and to shut things down, to flatten the curve, to decrease contact with one another and to ramp up testing and contact tracing efforts. Cases in Michigan have dramatically risen in recent weeks, averaging 7,359 new cases per day over the last week and approaching its pandemic highs set around Thanksgiving, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Deaths are also on the rise.
Really what we need to do in those situations is shut things down, Walensky said.
Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/covid-shutdown-cdc-chief-says-vaccinating-alone-wont-stop-michigan-covid-surge.html
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Bev54
(10,045 posts)shut downs and masks?
Calista241
(5,586 posts)and they can't treat religion any different than anything else.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)is in repub control. They passed a law to take away Gov Whitmer's power. She has then used the power of the MI Health Department. Politics are in play here big time plus a number of folks here are wanting no rules. So now it's up to the MI repubs to respond. I'm vaccinated, but being cautious.
DBoon
(22,354 posts)Tell them to authorize a shutdown. Let the CDC provide an estimate of the lives that would be saved.
Make it clear that if the legislature does not authorize shutdown, the deaths will be on them.
idziak4ever1234
(1,257 posts)and judges seem only too willing to ignore her guidance.
EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)I fear for my fellow Democrats in Michigan; for there may be no turning back the pages in an effort that benefits the greater good; controlled by a selfish minority.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)bluestarone
(16,900 posts)It's all for QRUMP and we KNOW THAT too! These people are so fucking EVIL!
ShazzieB
(16,359 posts)GD Repugs.
Raven123
(4,822 posts)The CDC is correct. I understand they are sending support and more therapeutics to hot spots. Thats the best they can do.
Initech
(100,062 posts)The CDC would have us closed down for the next five - six years if they could.
pstokely
(10,525 posts)you're not hearing that from any politicians
ShazzieB
(16,359 posts)I don't believe the CDC has never said everything needs to be locked down for the next 5-6 years. If you have a legitimate source that says that, please post a link.
My understanding is that we just need to get a certain % of the population fully vaccinated. At the rate things are going, that will be done in a matter of months, not years.
Initech
(100,062 posts)I'm just saying it feels that way.
ShazzieB
(16,359 posts)I see now that you were exaggerating for effect.
The way it's worded, it sounds like a statement of (supposed) fact, and that's what I was reacting to. Didn't see the smilie for some reason.
For whatever reason, it doesn't feel that way to me. I live in a state that has has a mask mandate in effect constantly since March 2020, and varying degrees of stuff being shut down or on reduced hours off and on ever since, depending on what was happening with the curve. It has been a pita sometimes, but I don't mind it that much, especially the masks,. The hassle is worth it to me, because it keeps me and everyone around me safer. I realize it's harder for some people, but we're talking about people's lives. If fewer people end up dying of this plague, that's worth the sacrifices involved to me.
Looking at what's going on in MI right now makes me happy that I live in a state that takes masking and other precautions seriously. I hope things get better up there soon.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)Initech
(100,062 posts)And unfortunately the last term, they chose wrong.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)DBoon
(22,354 posts)problem solved.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)It's pretty deadly.
JohnnyRingo
(18,624 posts)Donald Trump has poisoned this country.
He's poisoned minds, state legislation, and he even tried to poison us with bleach.
The man is toxic
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)llmart
(15,536 posts)The idiots who live here don't understand that who the heck is going to want to come to Michigan with the reputation the state is getting? Come to think of it, I haven't seen any "Pure Michigan" ads lately.
Nothing "pure" about us with all the loonies that live here. I'm glad I am fully immunized. I don't get out amongst those kinds anyway.
The ignoramuses that live here think they're going to cause Whitmer to fail just by not following the guidelines and they're willing to get sick and die for their stupidity.
MichMan
(11,907 posts)Not like we did a year ago when half of everything was deemed essential.
Things like liquor stores, lottery, hardware stores, auto parts stores, & recreational marijuana all "essential" What a joke
Every single business should have been forced to close. People would be assigned 1 hour a week for grocery shopping at a set time around the clock. No US mail, UPS or Fed Ex except for medicine would be allowed.
Anyone caught out driving for any other purpose should have their vehicle impounded and issued a $1000 ticket.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)pstokely
(10,525 posts)if things aren't being enforced now?
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)enforce this. I remember seeing a video from 2020 when Italy was the big Covid hot spot. The town's mayor actually would yell at people to go home and get off the streets during lockdown. It worked.
In San Diego last Summer during partial lockdown there were weekly drumming circles at a local each. The police put up yellow tape and right after people tore it down. I have no problem with the police issuing very expensive fines. I think that is the way to go...hit them in the pocketbook.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)For an advanced alcoholic, withdrawal can require hospitalization.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Ive already offered to unvaccinated family to shop for them if needed.
llmart
(15,536 posts)What a hardship for people if they shut down the bars.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)That so many Michiganders took to the COVID skies and flew to the incredibly safe locale of Florida over the past two-three weeks to really help with containment.
Im lucky and live in Ann Arbor which has very high compliance, but the students are still not completely being safe. I was at Lowes today and saw 3 men without masks on, and this has been getting more common in the last month.
My wife and I are fortunate and have had both shots, and hopefully our 13 year old will be able to get the shots soon.
A lot of selfish folks out there.
Scary
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Those who aren't are free to remain in isolation is their view.
Mysterian
(4,584 posts)and should be under psychiatric care.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Pandemic fatigue has set in and even the elderly that I know who once isolated themselves completely are now once again going out and about and/or taking in visitors.
The numbers of deaths that were talked about happening didn't happen and ICU at any hospital in Upper Michigan ever came close to near capacity because of COVID19.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Michigan currently has 9 of the worst 10 metro areas for new infections... in the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
Link: https://covidactnow.org/?s=1749670
They're back to their worst levels of new infections.
Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/michigan/
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Mark my words. If it hasnt already.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... that reopened.
I hope the people in those cities remain cautious, or you'll surely be correct.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I hear Toledo cases are surging as well. So will Northern Indiana.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I'm convinced it's been percolating there from nearby Michigan.
If and when it hits the rural dumb-f**ks here, it will probably spread like wildfire.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Sad, but true.
Monroe County, MI is high. A lot of them shop and do biz in the Toledo area, since it right next Lucas County, OH.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)It mostly affected big cities with international airports initially, then more-rural folks kept the viral flames ablaze.
I'm at least relieved that my 2nd vaccine dose is scheduled in a few days. I'll still be more cautious and responsible than a lot of non-vaxxers.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I was hoping you are near full vaccination.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Thanks.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I should be at full resistance now. I actually travel into the thumb area of MI frequently, so the Moderna vaccine works! I still mask and wash hands, etc, etc.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... a couple weeks afterwards.
Moderna for me too. I'll gladly take their booster for the South African variant in a few months, after it gets approval as expected. It's in trials already.
At least all of the vaccines are extremely effective against the UK variant, and that's the one that mostly spreading in the USA now. The SA variant, not so much at this point.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Just not to high level that Moderna prefers.
Like you, I will be line as soon as that booster is available.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Moderna claims it's pretty easy for them to modify the RNA in their vaccines for different strains. The testing and manufacturing are the slower aspects of it, of course.
I'm pretty optimistic in the long-term, really, but the needless spreading of this virus is infuriating to observe.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Especially when I am up in the hard hit thumb area of MI.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I find it very hard to have any sympathy for unmasked, lockdown violating, Dump loving morons. Even as a Michigander.
I do feel sorry for those who have been diligent in trying to control the virus and get hurt by the above mentioned degenerates.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Native Americans, as a group, have been vaccinating far faster than any other ethnicity. They've helped put red states like Alaska, South Dakota and North Dakota at or near the top of vaccination rates among different states.
From what I've read, it's mostly the white evangelicals who have expressed a "hard no" about vaccines. So that's the worst attitude, whereas African Americans have been hesitant as a group but mostly haven't ruled out doing it.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Because the infection rate is high, un-vaccinated people are getting infected, regardless of being a "hard no" or just hesitant.
Absolutely true.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)According to articles that I've read about it, Native Americans are supposedly more trusting because it's their various "tribal councils" who are encouraging and managing the administrations of their vaccinations. So maybe something similar should be considered for hesitant groups too? I have no suggestions in that regard, though.
By the way, I hope that your Moderna 2nd dose immunological side-effects are finished already!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Only lasted for a day and a half.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I assumed it would be very temporary, like for most people.
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pstokely
(10,525 posts)which ones? any national chains?
JohnSJ
(92,122 posts)current situation, especially when Health officials in Michigan are reporting that vaccine appointments are going unfilled even as the state experiences the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the country.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/demand-vaccine-declines-parts-michigan-even-covid-surges
The fact that a good number of their population refuses to take appropriate preventive measures such as masking up and social distancing, is the real problem.
What the OP doesn't mention is that the Biden administration is providing additional resources to the state to combat the pandemic, and most important, making monoclonal antibody infusions available free of charge, which if given early enough will prevent severe illness, and hospitalizations.
Everyone knows this isn't the governors fault
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JohnSJ
(92,122 posts)I NEVER said the Governor was an "idiot"
What I said was that the vaccine is not going to stop or deal with the current surge
What will deal with the current surge will be the use of medical therapeutics such as monoclonal antibodies, and other measures
If they eventually decide to allocate more vaccine to Michigan, which probably is the right decision, to get the most effective use of it would be people masking up and following the guidelines simultaneously
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LisaL
(44,973 posts)this vaccine will have to be taken from what was supposed to have gone to other states.
So it's considered to be not fair to other states.
Whitmer was also asking for a lot more of J&J vaccine, and with production issues in the US, there is very little of J&J vaccine going to all the states.
JohnSJ
(92,122 posts)this even more aggravating
I hope they increase the allotment of vaccine to Michigan along with other mitigation resources, for Michigan of course, but also because adjacent states are also at risk because of this
The last fighter I heard was over 9000 cases in two days in Michigan, and multiple actions need to be done
Take care
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)First the "impending doom" comment coupled with getting overly emotional while testifying before Congress. Now this suggestion that completely ignores the political reality on the ground in Michigan as has been pointed out in previous posts.
CDC should absolutely send more vaccine to MI and if need be deploy FEMA/Natl Guard to distribute and administer it. Vaccines might not prevent a person from getting covid19, but they do reduce the chances of severe infection and hospitalization to near zero.
Frankly, if she keeps making these mistakes, don't see her tenure as head of CDC being very long.
pstokely
(10,525 posts)we have be better safe than sorry
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)Don't find fear-mongering to be especially productive either. "Just the facts" is a better approach, but ymmv.
bluestarone
(16,900 posts)They want to destroy her! I would like to see her call in the National guard to help distribute the vaccine. (If this is possible without QUTHUGLICON interference. OR maybe FEMA could be called in to help? BUT i really feel she should get everything she's asking for!!