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Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 08:54 AM Apr 2021

Riot declared after windows smashed in Portland protests

Source: AP

By SARA CLINE and GILLIAN FLACCUS

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Police in Portland, Oregon, declared a riot Friday night after authorities said protesters smashed windows and burglarized businesses during demonstrations that started earlier in the day after police fatally shot a man while responding to reports of a person with a gun.

The vandalism downtown came after the Friday morning police shooting but also was part of vigils and demonstrations already planned for the night in the name of people killed in other police shootings nationwide. They include 13-year-old Adam Toledo of Chicago and Daunte Wright, a Black man in Minneapolis.

Deputy Police Chief Chris Davis told reporters earlier in the day that a white man in his 30s was shot and killed by police, who opened fire with a gun and weapons that fire non-lethal projectiles.

The man was pronounced dead at the scene in Lents Park, which is in a leafy, residential neighborhood of the city.



A Portland Police officer stand by following a police involved shooting of a man at Lents Park, Friday, April 16, 2021, in Portland, Ore. Police fatally shot a man in the city park Friday morning after responding to reports of a person with a gun, authorities said. (Beth Nakamura/The Oregonian/The Oregonian via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/portland-shootings-police-oregon-ted-wheeler-8ee5d6181cbba0e67c669c773cfc68cf

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Riot declared after windows smashed in Portland protests (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 2021 OP
I'm not sure these Portland protests are accomplishing anything. Lonestarblue Apr 2021 #1
RightWing extremists and anarchists shared goal is blm Apr 2021 #2
... speak easy Apr 2021 #21
They are trying to accomplish the destruction of my beloved city McKim Apr 2021 #4
From Portland, a liberal's lament - Nicholas Kristof question everything Apr 2021 #16
If the problem was RW agitators it seems some would have been arrested each time. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #10
Regrdless, OR governor should call the National Guard question everything Apr 2021 #14
Totally agree. But likely wont happen. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #23
Thats a terrible idea quakerboy Apr 2021 #27
The guard is not an "occupying army." Members of the guard are your neighbours question everything Apr 2021 #30
the the context of being used to put down protests. quakerboy Apr 2021 #32
Why would it seem that way? quakerboy Apr 2021 #25
riots pamdb Apr 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author pamdb Apr 2021 #19
Yep, Right Wing Provocateurs and Exteme Left Nihilistics McKim Apr 2021 #3
This is the first time I've read the words "Exteme Left Nihilistics" so I did a search to abqtommy Apr 2021 #5
A Term I Made Up McKim Apr 2021 #17
It's a term I found when I did a search on DUCK DUCK GO! abqtommy Apr 2021 #20
Definitely an agenda. The constant provocation is apparent. blm Apr 2021 #6
Thanks for that update. IrishAfricanAmerican Apr 2021 #8
Come to NYC Polybius Apr 2021 #9
There is no such thing as "Extreme Left Nihilistics" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2021 #15
See my reply #20: "Extreme Left Nihilistics" is a term I found when I did a search abqtommy Apr 2021 #22
Can I just say EWWW quakerboy Apr 2021 #26
I don't know if it is related... Thunderbeast Apr 2021 #7
Portland's unemployment rate is about the national average. There's no excuse for acts like this. oldsoftie Apr 2021 #11
I agree rockfordfile Apr 2021 #28
Just as in past vandalism DENVERPOPS Apr 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #31
Ugh... I thought we'd be done with this shit by now. Initech Apr 2021 #13
NOW they've gone too far... BadGimp Apr 2021 #24
The local Apple store made itself a gathering for BLM inspired art protest artifacts. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #29

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
1. I'm not sure these Portland protests are accomplishing anything.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:14 AM
Apr 2021

They give the right wing ammunition to categorize BLM protesters as violent criminals, and that just defeats the purpose of the protests. I’m sure black people feel extreme anger over police violence and murders, but lawlessness is counterproductive. I wonder if right-wing agitators are still part of the destruction to give the protests the appearance of violence and looting.

blm

(113,057 posts)
2. RightWing extremists and anarchists shared goal is
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 09:32 AM
Apr 2021

disrupt governance and cause chaos. They are fine with people blaming BLM and “antifascists” for the violence. They WANT a war in the streets.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
4. They are trying to accomplish the destruction of my beloved city
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:09 AM
Apr 2021

They are trying to destroy my beloved city. They want to destroy Liberal/Left Portland as an example. Remember the Right Wing hates cities and especially liberal ones!!!! This has nothing to do with noble political causes and everything to do with "owning the Libs."

question everything

(47,478 posts)
16. From Portland, a liberal's lament - Nicholas Kristof
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:01 PM
Apr 2021

As an Oregonian, I've always been proud of this picture-postcard metropolis, so I've been pained to see it portrayed as a war zone or dying city, and doubly pained when a local businessman recently recounted to me his effort to recruit an executive from out of state.

The executive came for a visit — but, when she saw today's Portland, with its homeless camps and boarded-up shops downtown, declined the job.

https://www.startribune.com/from-portland-a-liberal-s-lament/600046437/

oldsoftie

(12,534 posts)
10. If the problem was RW agitators it seems some would have been arrested each time.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:40 PM
Apr 2021

No, these are anarchists causing the problem. They dont CARE about rule of law or safety.
They will riot for any reason.

The RW kept saying it was "Antifa" who rioted Jan 6th. Until only ONE linked to any left wing group was arrested and the hundreds more arrested were ALL trumpers.

question everything

(47,478 posts)
30. The guard is not an "occupying army." Members of the guard are your neighbours
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:49 PM
Apr 2021

And co-workers. But, of course, you know this.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
32. the the context of being used to put down protests.
Sun Apr 18, 2021, 09:02 PM
Apr 2021

and particularly in context of being used to reinforce another occupying force attacking protestors, they certainly are.

But then you know this.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
25. Why would it seem that way?
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 04:38 PM
Apr 2021

The police here are quite good at making sure they dont pick up their "friends". Its been documented they let them know where not to be and when not to be there to avoid clashing with the RW infiltrators. Not to mention the straight out police out of uniform that infiltrate the protests

Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #1)

McKim

(2,412 posts)
3. Yep, Right Wing Provocateurs and Exteme Left Nihilistics
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:05 AM
Apr 2021

As a third generation Portlander I am so angry. I have been working so hard to help Portland recover. We have a city government that has a plan and a competent former mayor is carrying out the plan at the direction of the mayor.

The problem is one of publicity and the repeat "demonstration" by violent elements that seem bent more on destruction than building a better world. The Black Community and those who are working as builders of a better world have publicly denounced these "demonstrators" as not helping the cause. Some of the destroyers in the past have been young whites who quickly smash and run. My question is why aren't the cops arresting these criminals? Windows were smashed and fires started, but no one is in jail? What's wrong with this picture?

My husband and I have been walking downtown for all this past year and have never felt afraid.
We regularly shop and eat take out from restaurants and have encouraging chats with small business owners downtown to encourage them. We even brought flowers and good wishes to a restauranteur whose windows had been smashed. I am not giving up on my beloved city.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. This is the first time I've read the words "Exteme Left Nihilistics" so I did a search to
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 10:23 AM
Apr 2021

find out something about that. So far it doesn't sound productive. Thanks!

McKim

(2,412 posts)
17. A Term I Made Up
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 02:14 PM
Apr 2021

That is a term I made up to describe these destructive youth. I know they are angry, that they haven't had an even break in life and I am sad about what today's youth have to face but I can't tolerate the violence and the destruction that is hurting Portland. They cannot win!!!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
15. There is no such thing as "Extreme Left Nihilistics"
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 01:59 PM
Apr 2021

I agree about the Right Wing Provocateurs, they even admit they do it. Even police have been caught using provocateurs to make the protesters look bad.

But those are two different groups. "Extreme Left" and "Nihilistics".
At least how I'd define them. Doesn't mean both might be still represented in the protests.

I'd personally define the "Extreme Left" as pure Marxist/Leninists or even the International Socialists organization. Those that believe only a violent revolution will accomplish real change. Where the Billionaires are "defunded". Where Banks and large industry is taken over by the State.
And subsequently all aspects of citizens lives are dictated by elected officials. Ideally staying democratic as well.

Nihilistics go hand in hand with Anarchists. While the extreme left is certain that if we just empower the common people through owning their own economy, with greater participation in government, a sunny future is assured, ........these creatures basically have given up all hope and believe the opposite. That no form of government works, so one might as well tear it all down and make it survival of the fittest.



quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
26. Can I just say EWWW
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 04:57 PM
Apr 2021

My credentials are the same as yours, but the view looks a LOT different from here. We have a terrible excuse for a mayor who doesn't seem to give a hoot about the citizens of the city unless they are part of the developer class funneling him money. Our city government is in disarray at best.

Ive also been out walking and observing. Ive never felt afraid. EXCEPT when the police show up en mass and start shooting flash bangs and teargas at random folk. Ive had them drop flash bangs nearly on me.. when I was over a city block away from a protest.

Ted has done nothing to reign the violence in. He is the police commissioner, and he has utterly failed at his job. The answers to your question is pretty obvious. Why arent the cops arresting these criminals?
1) they dont want to arrest the RW agitators, as they are primarily seen as allies by officers
2) they are primarily white and violent. Theres little motivation on the part of PPB to arrest them, and potential consequences or danger in doing so
3) The biggest number of the violent crowd are the "rebelling" children of the donor class and of the police themselves. Theres a reason that crowd had access to gas masks and other gear from day 1 of the protests, when the rest of the community was struggling to get their hands on basic paper masks to keep themselves safe. And arresting them would actually rouse Ted to action, as his donors would start squacking and money would stop flowing.

Ive no use for the Anarchists. Ive no use for the violent RW infiltrators. Ive no use for Ted and his owners. They are all one and the same, driving the deterioration of this city without a care for its average citizens.

Thunderbeast

(3,408 posts)
7. I don't know if it is related...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 11:22 AM
Apr 2021

but vandalism against RVs and SUVs is on the rise in Portland.

My daughter's small Honda was torched yesterday while it sat in front of her house. It is a total loss. Fire investigators report that arson targeting vehicles is on the rise.

My small camper van has had tires slashed four times.

I am very sad for the current situation in the city I love. I see little difference between the young (mostly white) people acting in rage here, and the angry men with limited opportunity in the "Arab Street" that have been a feature of nightly news for years. Favellas are growing along streets and any open spaces. Graffiti scars every available surface. Mental health services are scarce. Property crimes are not investigated...citizens are expected to protect themselves with fortifications, door cams, and insurance.

Policing in Portland needs dramatic reform...starting with de-militatization and better links to the neighborhoods.

We are all suffering from PTSD caused by four years of tyrany aind the disruptions of the pandemic. The anger is palpable.

Without opportunity, young people will continue to act out.

oldsoftie

(12,534 posts)
11. Portland's unemployment rate is about the national average. There's no excuse for acts like this.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:50 PM
Apr 2021

Look whats being torched; SUVs & RVs. Those are looked at as "rich folks" vehicles. Remember the ELF torching an entire lot of SUVs several years ago?
These people are criminals because its what they believe; not because they dont have any opportunities. Lack of opportunity may lead one to STEAL something to try to get cash, but they achieve nothing by destroying it.
When you dont investigate property crimes, all crime escalates. No fear of punishment leads to bigger crimes. Until the city cracks down, look for more of the same.
I dont like it, but thats the reality. The coming months & years will prove me right or wrong.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
12. Just as in past vandalism
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 12:53 PM
Apr 2021

the right wing sends in people dressed like the rioters, and they do the vandalism to make it look like the demonstrators.
Remember that guy who was filmed walking down the front of a business with a ball peen hammer breaking store front windows as he walked. The news people followed him, and found out he was actually a cop in that city creating a reason for his PD buddies to be able to go after the demonstrators.......

WASF

Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #12)

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
24. NOW they've gone too far...
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 04:24 PM
Apr 2021

They are messing up my favorite baseball park which happens to be the home of the Portland Pickles professional baseball team.

Do not mess with my Pickles!!

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
29. The local Apple store made itself a gathering for BLM inspired art protest artifacts.
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 06:24 PM
Apr 2021

The protestors burned it to the ground.

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