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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,726 posts)
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:36 PM Apr 2021

Manhattan will no longer prosecute prostitution

Source: The Hill

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance, Jr. announced on Wednesday that his office would no longer prosecute prostitution and unlicensed massage.

The new policy, according to a press release from the office, will prevent unnecessary future contacts with the criminal justice system, eliminate the collateral consequences associated with having a prostitution case or conviction and "empower New Yorkers to interact with law enforcement without fear of arrest or deportation."

"Over the last decade we've learned from those with lived experience, and from our own experience on the ground: criminally prosecuting prostitution does not make us safer, and too often, achieves the opposite result by further marginalizing vulnerable New Yorkers," Vance said in a statement.

"By vacating warrants, dismissing cases, and erasing convictions for these charges, we are completing a paradigm shift in our approach," he added.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manhattan-will-no-longer-prosecute-prostitution/ar-BB1fTHXV?li=BBnb7Kz

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Manhattan will no longer prosecute prostitution (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 OP
That's interesting. In_The_Wind Apr 2021 #1
Didn't see that coming...... getagrip_already Apr 2021 #2
This should make it more likely workers Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #6
I never understood Mr. Evil Apr 2021 #3
It's not the same. EllieBC Apr 2021 #5
Spot on Johnny2X2X Apr 2021 #10
It ruins the fantasy if you say it out loud. EllieBC Apr 2021 #11
"98% deserve out help" speak easy Apr 2021 #12
You can say the same thing about all sorts of occupations Major Nikon Apr 2021 #13
There's something a little more damaging EllieBC Apr 2021 #15
You and me both. Nt raccoon Apr 2021 #18
No. It is illegal to get paid for sex. When was the last time you heard of the customers getting niyad Apr 2021 #23
Law enforcement routinely make sting arrests, like the one Bob Kraft beat. Marcuse Apr 2021 #24
I remember a time in the Bay Area when the police decided to "clean up" an area. They were only niyad Apr 2021 #25
Last week, here in Ohio Maeve Apr 2021 #33
Excellent. niyad Apr 2021 #36
Good decision! mysteryowl Apr 2021 #4
It's a broad spectrum bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #7
About effing time! MenloParque Apr 2021 #8
Should people be allowed to sell organs? Mosby Apr 2021 #27
Sure MenloParque Apr 2021 #35
Does that make statute of limitations moot? bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #9
Today: Manhattan no longer prosecutes prostitution. March 31: New York state legalizes weed. Efilroft Sul Apr 2021 #14
LOL bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #17
Thread winner VWolf Apr 2021 #19
Oh, how I wish I could take full credit for this, but I'm merely reporting what my lovely wife said! Efilroft Sul Apr 2021 #29
Good... but hopefully they still prosecute the pimps and... Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #16
I believe that's the model in some European countries n/t VWolf Apr 2021 #20
The object of prosecuting "white slavers", should involve their burial under jails. nt Mopar151 Apr 2021 #32
"will continue to prosecute other crimes associated with prostitution,including patronizing sex work progree Apr 2021 #38
I was coming here just to post that. Thank you ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #44
What will all those self-righteous, holier-than-thou vice cops do now? AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #21
"Sex work is a means of survival for many in these marginalized groups" MichMan Apr 2021 #22
It's a waste of time to go after the trafficked Warpy Apr 2021 #26
What about the clients procuring the prostitutes? OnlinePoker Apr 2021 #28
Planning a trip? Kaleva Apr 2021 #40
Crap! newdayneeded Apr 2021 #45
It's a good thing that these people, regardless of gender, will not be jailed. Tom Yossarian Joad Apr 2021 #30
Johns will be prosecuted progree Apr 2021 #39
Wonder whether the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island will follow suit. n/t TygrBright Apr 2021 #31
Smart decision n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #34
I've often wondered people would react if trafficked women (for sex) were increasing... WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2021 #37
Isn't prosecuting only the men an unequal application of the laws? bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #41
Will Ghislaine Maxwell ask for immediate release? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2021 #42
I think it's about time. zanana1 Apr 2021 #43

Phoenix61

(18,829 posts)
6. This should make it more likely workers
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:48 PM
Apr 2021

will reach out for help. I can see traffickers telling them they will be arrested if the go to the cops. Now they don’t have to worry about that.

Mr. Evil

(3,457 posts)
3. I never understood
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:42 PM
Apr 2021

why it's illegal to pay for sex but, it's perfectly legal to give it away for free.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
5. It's not the same.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:46 PM
Apr 2021

Not all sex workers are happy college women paying their way through law school or enterprising young women. Many are single mothers with few options. Many are addicts. Many are trafficked.

There’s literally no good reason a woman should have to pick sex work because it works better for her schedule or pays a lot.

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
10. Spot on
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:33 PM
Apr 2021

Everyone brings up the odd case of someone willingly and happily doing sex work, but that's far from the norm. You'll find very few people having sex for money that want to be doing that. Those that are, good for them, but the other 98% deserve our help.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
11. It ruins the fantasy if you say it out loud.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:41 PM
Apr 2021

This is just another part of (some) men fetishizing women to the point where they think selling themselves is desirable. There’s a reason it’s usually the last resort and that’s because it’s damaging for many women. But hey as long as the men are ok I guess.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
12. "98% deserve out help"
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:44 PM
Apr 2021

You have studies / evidence showing that 98% of sexworkers are unwilling / unhappy doing sex work?

The strongest argument against sex work is that those who suffer psychic injuries / PTSD generally could not have anticipated that harm when starting out.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
13. You can say the same thing about all sorts of occupations
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 02:05 PM
Apr 2021

They just don't pay as much. The occupations where people are trafficked are those which are already outside the law, particularly those performed by undocumented immigrants. When you force something underground, you lose pretty much all control over it and the predators take over.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
15. There's something a little more damaging
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 02:14 PM
Apr 2021

about women and girls (let’s not pretend men who buy sex are all upstanding citizens) being fetishized. They are sold and traded. Slavery is ok as long as it’s “sex positive” I guess.

niyad

(132,446 posts)
23. No. It is illegal to get paid for sex. When was the last time you heard of the customers getting
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 03:42 PM
Apr 2021

arrested for paying for sex?

If it is illegal to sell something, it should be illegal to buy it. Misogyny and sexism at work.

niyad

(132,446 posts)
25. I remember a time in the Bay Area when the police decided to "clean up" an area. They were only
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 04:27 PM
Apr 2021

targeting the women. Until various women's groups got together and started publishing pics of the men who were seeking those services. Amazing how fast that operation stopped.

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
4. Good decision!
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:44 PM
Apr 2021

I have a couple friends that are sex workers and they would love this in their city.

High end escorts often are released or not taken in, that needs to be shared by all.
I approve!

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
7. It's a broad spectrum
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 12:59 PM
Apr 2021

from empowered libertines to those coerced, from vanity to self-disgust, from the richest elements of society to the poorest with the poorest impacted the most. It's the coercion they must keep an eye on. That's just plain wrong in a free society.

MenloParque

(566 posts)
8. About effing time!
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:04 PM
Apr 2021

My pussy my rules!! Government should stay the fuck out of the beds of CONSENTING adults who are not held against their will.

MenloParque

(566 posts)
35. Sure
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:28 PM
Apr 2021

Sure, because the act of two consenting adults in a paid arrangement for sex is exactly the same as removing and selling organ. Nice whataboutism.

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
9. Does that make statute of limitations moot?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 01:23 PM
Apr 2021

Some kingpins might get off if it does. (No pun intended. How else can it be phrased?)

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
14. Today: Manhattan no longer prosecutes prostitution. March 31: New York state legalizes weed.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 02:09 PM
Apr 2021

Can rock and roll be far behind?

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
29. Oh, how I wish I could take full credit for this, but I'm merely reporting what my lovely wife said!
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:22 PM
Apr 2021

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
16. Good... but hopefully they still prosecute the pimps and...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 02:24 PM
Apr 2021

human traffickers who are abusing and exploiting women.

progree

(12,977 posts)
38. "will continue to prosecute other crimes associated with prostitution,including patronizing sex work
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 01:58 AM
Apr 2021

and sex trafficking"

AZLD4Candidate

(6,781 posts)
21. What will all those self-righteous, holier-than-thou vice cops do now?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 03:10 PM
Apr 2021

I guess go after people selling loose cigarettes, like Eric Garner.

I support this completely.

As George Carlin said: "selling is legal. f--king is legal. Why isn't selling f--king legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away? In the military, you get a medal for spraying napalm on people. In civilian life, you go to jail for selling someone an orgasm."

MichMan

(17,151 posts)
22. "Sex work is a means of survival for many in these marginalized groups"
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 03:27 PM
Apr 2021
The communities hit hardest by the continued criminalization of sex work and human trafficking are overwhelmingly LGBTQ, they are people of color, and they are undocumented immigrants,” said New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray. “Sex work is a means of survival for many in these marginalized groups.”

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
26. It's a waste of time to go after the trafficked
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 04:37 PM
Apr 2021

They need to go after the traffickers, from low level street pimps to high level orgainzed crime.

OnlinePoker

(6,127 posts)
28. What about the clients procuring the prostitutes?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:17 PM
Apr 2021

I can see not going after the prostitutes. You would have to be pretty desperate to get into that life, but the johns come from all walks of life.

On edit...see it further down they are still going after those "patronizing" sex workers.

 

newdayneeded

(2,493 posts)
45. Crap!
Sat Apr 24, 2021, 01:53 PM
Apr 2021

I was just about to ask "for a friend" what the job situation and climate is like in Mass. lol.

Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,275 posts)
30. It's a good thing that these people, regardless of gender, will not be jailed.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:24 PM
Apr 2021

I would imagine this isn't their first choice of trade but no matter why or how, I don't see how jailing them would benefit anyone except for private prisons. I believe traffickers and others will still be fair game.

progree

(12,977 posts)
39. Johns will be prosecuted
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 02:00 AM
Apr 2021
The district attorney's office, however, will continue to prosecute other crimes associated with prostitution, including patronizing sex workers and sex trafficking, The New York Times reported.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
37. I've often wondered people would react if trafficked women (for sex) were increasing...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:27 PM
Apr 2021

in our towns/neighborhoods.


As others have said, the happy college student/housewife who is making some extra $$$$ is the exception not the norm. A TON of these women are being used by a TON of men/criminals/etc.

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