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Tue May 11, 2021, 08:00 PM

Israel, Hamas escalate fighting with no end in sight

Source: AP

By JOSEF FEDERMAN and FARES AKRAM

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel on Tuesday stepped up its attacks on the Gaza Strip, flattening a high-rise building used by the Hamas militant group and killing at least three militants in their hideouts as Palestinian rockets rained down almost nonstop on parts of Israel.

It was the heaviest fighting between the two bitter enemies since 2014, and it showed no signs of slowing.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to expand the offensive, while Gaza militants unleashed a fierce late-night barrage of rockets that set off air-raid sirens and explosions throughout the densely populated Tel Aviv metropolitan area.

Three women in Israel were killed by rocket fire, and dozens of people wounded. The death toll in Gaza rose to 32 Palestinians, including 10 children, according to the Health Ministry. Over 200 people were wounded.



Smoke rises after an Israeli airstrike in Gaza City, Tuesday, May 11, 2021. (AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)




Read more: https://apnews.com/article/world-news-hamas-middle-east-israel-ad7d5a99e382dcdd3e5df45f33be1b43

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Reply Israel, Hamas escalate fighting with no end in sight (Original post)
Omaha Steve May 11 OP
questionseverything May 11 #1
mvd May 11 #4
questionseverything May 11 #5
mvd May 11 #6
Sapient Donkey May 12 #10
Calista241 May 12 #8
questionseverything May 12 #9
Calista241 May 12 #11
questionseverything May 12 #15
ripcord May 12 #16
questionseverything May 15 #22
Elessar Zappa May 15 #20
questionseverything May 15 #21
EX500rider May 12 #13
questionseverything May 15 #19
EX500rider May 15 #23
questionseverything May 15 #24
EX500rider May 15 #25
questionseverything May 15 #27
EX500rider May 15 #30
EX500rider May 15 #26
questionseverything May 15 #28
EX500rider May 15 #29
questionseverything May 15 #32
EX500rider May 15 #33
questionseverything May 15 #34
EX500rider May 15 #35
MarineCombatEngineer May 15 #31
Mosby May 11 #2
Sogo May 11 #3
Rhiannon12866 May 12 #7
ripcord May 12 #12
roamer65 May 12 #14
Aussie105 May 12 #17
EX500rider May 12 #18
Dave Starsky May 16 #36

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue May 11, 2021, 08:37 PM

1. What happens when jewish settlers try to evict

Palestinians from their homes

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #1)

Tue May 11, 2021, 10:12 PM

4. That's what creates groups like Hamas

Israel has far superior firepower even though both sides are doing war crimes. We need a solution that’s good for both sides, but unfortunately neither side wants to give and the leadership of both is radical.

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Response to mvd (Reply #4)

Tue May 11, 2021, 10:29 PM

5. Remind me of all the jewish homes the Palestinians took over

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #5)

Tue May 11, 2021, 11:46 PM

6. I do understand what you mean there

It should never have happened.

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Response to mvd (Reply #6)

Wed May 12, 2021, 03:52 PM

10. It is pretty messed up what is going on there

We're not talking about events that happened almost a many decades ago, but stuff that is actually happening now. Evicting thousands of people from their homes doesn't sound like a private legal matter that was handled in the courts. Although, I admit I have to do some more looking into it to confirm what I read (it's was an AP article, though)

It's a shame that so many innocent people on all fronts are caught up in the violence that is spiraling out of control.

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #1)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:59 AM

8. These rockets come from Gaza, and there's no Israeli settlements in Gaza. N/t

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #8)

Wed May 12, 2021, 03:43 PM

9. If you read the article

You will find it all started over jews trying to run Palestinians off their homeland

It has been happening for decades so no surprise

The Palestinians started by throwing rocks while the jewish government flattens high rises with people in them

As tight as the security is around gaza I am surprised they managed to get rockets in
Considering they are imprisoned behind a wall and all

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #9)

Wed May 12, 2021, 05:07 PM

11. Before the state of Israel was created, Palestinians oppressed the Jewish people relentlessly.

Many Jews fled from the Middle East to Europe, where they were later nearly exterminated by the Nazi's.

The Jewish people were banned from entering Jerusalem, and could even get near the Wailing Wall, the holiest site of their religion. They couldn't own property, couldn't hold many jobs, and were rounded up in slums so they didn't contaminate their Palestinian overlords.

Since Israel was founded, they have been invaded twice by their neighbors, with the intent of kicking the Jews out of the middle east. The founding principles of the PLO (now the Palestinian Authority) call for the abolition of Israel as a state.

So saying the entire crisis boils down to Israeli settlement policy is massively disingenuous.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #11)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:40 PM

15. There's a lot of opinion to unpack there about things that happened seventy plus years ago

For example, how does
Israel become a state?

Did the people living there invite them to take over their lands and fields?

No the British and their allies decided to create a jewish state out of ancient Palestinian lands, probably because they felt that is what the
Bible called for

Btw in the Bible
God tells the jewish people to kill
Every man, woman or child they find after they are delivered to the
Promised land

The whole thing is a mess but one side is stuck behind a wall with lil hope or opportunity and the other side has iron domes for protection and
Continues to steal land

Look at the map from ‘48 and compare it to now.....
Israel grows and grows

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #15)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:48 PM

16. Israel didn't take land from the Palestinians

The lands they took were held by the Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #16)

Sat May 15, 2021, 05:22 PM

22. That's like saying we didn't take land from native Americans

After all the French , spanish and English all claimed it

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #15)

Sat May 15, 2021, 05:06 PM

20. You know little about Israel's history.

The Jewish people are one of history’s most oppressed people. There is no doubt about that fact.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #20)

Sat May 15, 2021, 05:19 PM

21. In the past, yes

That’s no excuse for bombing the press

Which happened today

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #9)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:15 PM

13. "jewish government flattens high rises with people in them"

You mean 2 hours after they warn everyone in the building to get out?
Have the Palestinians ever warned anybody about the rockets they were firing in their direction?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #13)

Sat May 15, 2021, 04:53 PM

19. Today they are bombing the ap

Wonder what they don’t want reported

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #19)

Sat May 15, 2021, 05:49 PM

23. Since they warned the occupants to get out before they bombed it i'd guess nothing.

Since the reporters can still report.
More likely their version of Hama's using the building also is true.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #23)

Sat May 15, 2021, 05:53 PM

24. Shooting fish in a barrel is rarely considered sporting

The idea that bombing is ok after a warning is not something we would accept here

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #24)

Sat May 15, 2021, 06:08 PM

25. Giving Hama's military arm safe places to base is not surprising not something Israel wants to do nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #25)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:00 PM

27. The ap is asking for proof



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Response to questionseverything (Reply #27)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:14 PM

30. Israel may not want to divulge intelligence collection methods in Gaza.

Might be electronic, might be moles, either way you give Hama's a clue on what to tighten up.

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #24)

Sat May 15, 2021, 06:09 PM

26. "The idea that bombing is ok after a warning is not something we would accept here"

Certainly better then the way Hama's does it, firing 1,000's of rockets at civilians with no warning.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #26)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:02 PM

28. The rockets started after the Israel attacks

Taking Palestinians homes

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #28)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:12 PM

29. So the proper response to evictions...

..is to fire thousands of rockets at random civilians?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #29)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:18 PM

32. You say evictions like they are late on rent

There is absolutely no excuse for this “settlement “ bs......they are stealing the land plain and simply

And it is not thousands of rockets

I am honestly not convinced this isn’t bibi doing a false flag event

Just a little iron dome practice

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #32)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:35 PM

33. This is related to evictions in Jerusalem...BBC's words, not mine:

The threatened eviction of some Palestinian families in East Jerusalem has also caused rising anger.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396


Yes, thousands of rockets according to the BBC:

More than 2,000 rockets have been fired towards Israel by Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups in five days

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-20385306

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #33)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:42 PM

34. Why the western press uses terms like eviction instead of theft I don't know

The jewish people were treated so horribly by the nazi and now for whatever reason their leaders have become what they hated

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #34)

Sat May 15, 2021, 08:10 PM

35. Because not everything is theft

My understanding it's evictions for non-payment of rent on houses they do not own

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #24)

Sat May 15, 2021, 07:14 PM

31. Not in fucking wartime it ain't.

There are numerous incidents throughout history of combatants trapping opposing armies and destroying them, like the Nazi's did in the Soviet Union in WWII and the Soviet Army returning the favor later in the war.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue May 11, 2021, 08:57 PM

2. That's quality wordsmithing right there.

It was the heaviest fighting between the two bitter enemies since 2014, and it showed no signs of slowing


One bitter enemy is a liberal democracy and the other is a genocidal terrorist group funded by a theocratic dictatorship.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue May 11, 2021, 10:12 PM

3. Just received an email a few minutes ago from a

friend in Israel who is in a bomb shelter right now because of incoming rockets....

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Response to Sogo (Reply #3)

Wed May 12, 2021, 02:51 AM

7. How terrifying!

President Biden has his hands full, too bad we can't send President Carter right now.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed May 12, 2021, 05:37 PM

12. Are the brave Hamas fighters still hiding in populated areas?

Using civilians as human shields is disgusting.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:24 PM

14. Al Jazeera English was broadcasting it live for a bit.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed May 12, 2021, 06:50 PM

17. It's a civil war.

A civil war over territory.

Both sides think they are right.

It will continue while other countries support and finance each side.

The civilians cop the worst of it. Standard civil war scenario.

No, I'm not going to take sides. No point, achieves nothing.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #17)

Wed May 12, 2021, 11:50 PM

18. "No, I'm not going to take sides."

It's easy for me to take a side, one side actively tries to kill civilians, the other side actively tries to avoid it.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun May 16, 2021, 10:06 AM

36. I thought Jared Kushner straightened this out.

Didn't he check out, like, 20 library books on the subject?

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