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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,738 posts)
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:12 PM May 2021

Joe Manchin says he won't support extending the $300 federal weekly unemployment benefit from Biden'

Source: Business Insider

Sen. Joe Manchin said he won't back extending the $300 federal unemployment benefit from President Joe Biden's stimulus, which could possibly torpedo the jobless measure once it expires on Sept. 6.

"I'll never vote for another extension as long as I know that with the vaccines, there's not an excuse for no one to be vaccinated," the West Virginia Democrat told Politico. "I understand there's millions of jobs in America that we can't fill right now. So we need people back to work. There's more and more people understanding they're in trouble."

Manchin's opposition highlights a rift among the Democrats over the extension of federal unemployment benefits later this summer. But some centrist Democrats are waiting to see how the economic recovery plays out before deciding on the issue.

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire cited the low unemployment rate in her state, and told Politico "if that continues it probably should not be extended."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-says-he-wont-support-extending-the-dollar300-federal-weekly-unemployment-benefit-from-bidens-stimulus/ar-BB1gEsSW?li=BBnb7Kz



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Joe Manchin says he won't support extending the $300 federal weekly unemployment benefit from Biden' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 OP
I don't think it'll ever come for a vote anyway Polybius May 2021 #1
That was my understanding TheRealNorth May 2021 #4
"I say raise the minimum wage to $11-12" No, it needs to be raised alot higher than that. cstanleytech May 2021 #5
A 60+% increase is far better than a 0% increase. oldsoftie May 2021 #9
Take the wins where you can get them. Calista241 May 2021 #11
Exactly TheRealNorth May 2021 #39
Increments are good TimeToGo May 2021 #25
I think we all agree it needs to be higher moose65 May 2021 #37
It Sure Is! ProfessorGAC May 2021 #45
Well Of course he wont Fullduplexxx May 2021 #2
Many of these millions of jobs are low paying and physically demanding. Politicub May 2021 #3
Target pays $15 an hour. Even walmart pays over 10. oldsoftie May 2021 #8
Are they getting 40 hours per week employment? justhanginon May 2021 #15
my friend gets 32 not 40. oldsoftie May 2021 #27
Targt in Oregon wsn't paying 15, but more, they only work a person 26'ish hour a week which is an LizBeth May 2021 #16
And probably get no benefits from either. justhanginon May 2021 #18
That is a given. But pay people so little, even at 15 with todays cost of living, they need a solid LizBeth May 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #6
Many people are jumping the gun with COVID apnu May 2021 #20
Vaccines are available for everyone now. Its not reckless to tell people to work oldsoftie May 2021 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #44
Not sure where you are, but its the opposite in most places oldsoftie May 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #51
If you're referring to Bath, yes. They're Navy shipbuilders. oldsoftie May 2021 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #54
So, in your opinion, Mitch McConnell should be majority leader. onenote May 2021 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #43
Not what you said initially, but happy to see you've come to your senses onenote May 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #47
Everyone can get a vaccine now. No more excuses. oldsoftie May 2021 #7
"Senate Democrats skeptical of extending $300 unemployment benefit" brooklynite May 2021 #10
"...I know that with the vaccines, there's not an excuse for no one to be vaccinated." jcgoldie May 2021 #12
yeah my brain is having a hard time digesting that sentence 0rganism May 2021 #24
I think he meant "anyone", not "no one", or this could be more Politico intentional "misinformation" George II May 2021 #28
I know, he totally misspoke that sentence completely.. Ligyron May 2021 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author wryter2000 May 2021 #13
Just Politico* asking irrelevant questions to make Democrats, particularly Manchin, look bad. George II May 2021 #14
+1 LizBeth May 2021 #17
it's so easy for me to fall for it. stillcool May 2021 #22
"There probably won't be an extension proposed" - several Democrats have already proposed extenting PoliticAverse May 2021 #23
Tim Kaine said there are no active discussions. Sept. 6 is almost 4 months from now. George II May 2021 #29
There are no "active discussions" because people like Manchin oppose the extensions... PoliticAverse May 2021 #31
I think they're being practical. The extension just passed a month or so ago, and the expiration... George II May 2021 #34
Jobs that pay poverty wages apnu May 2021 #19
+1 n/t area51 May 2021 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #48
Just an observation Traildogbob May 2021 #26
please love me, Mitch! please love me! TomDaisy May 2021 #33
Joe Lieberman II sarcasmo May 2021 #35
That Manchin clown again? hadEnuf May 2021 #36
all manchin knows is MOMFUDSKI May 2021 #38
I need a drink ... turbinetree May 2021 #41
I think he's Mitch McConell in a Manchin suit. zanana1 May 2021 #50
He would be far from alone among Democratic Senators in that position. Tom Rinaldo May 2021 #53

Polybius

(15,333 posts)
1. I don't think it'll ever come for a vote anyway
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:25 PM
May 2021

I think once September 6th happens, that's it for extended UI.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
4. That was my understanding
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:46 PM
May 2021

I didn't even think there was any talk of extending it. I say raise the minimum wage to $11-12, since Sinema and Manchin said they would support that.

oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
9. A 60+% increase is far better than a 0% increase.
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:04 PM
May 2021

And would help a ton of people. Holding out for the perfect gets these workers NOTHING.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
11. Take the wins where you can get them.
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:05 PM
May 2021

As Obama said, 'Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.' Raising the minimum wage would have a significant, immediate impact on millions of American voters across the country, who may then be more inclined to vote for us. Just imagine another John Ossoff or Raphael Warnock in the Senate because more people showed up to vote in 2022 and 2024.

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
39. Exactly
Wed May 12, 2021, 04:44 PM
May 2021

We can go into 2022 having at least put this forward and getting Republicans on the record, even if it ultimately gets killed in the Senate.

And if the Republicans actually pass it, then we can put that forward as an accomplishment even if it not 100% of what we need.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
37. I think we all agree it needs to be higher
Wed May 12, 2021, 04:19 PM
May 2021

But if we can get $11 or $12 easily, shouldn't we do that? Isn't $12 better than $7.25? Every little bit that it is raised will help people.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
45. It Sure Is!
Wed May 12, 2021, 06:17 PM
May 2021

For a 30 hour a week worker, 50 weeks a year, it's >$7,000 a year.
For people at the lower end of the wage scale, 7 grand is a LOT of money.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
3. Many of these millions of jobs are low paying and physically demanding.
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:41 PM
May 2021

Yes -- Target and Taco Bell have help-wanted signs out front. But the jobs pay peanuts and most likely will not be full time. And, they're suited for people who can stand on their feet all day and can handle repetitive motion. It will take multiple jobs to make enough money to pay the rent.

There is no safety net or infrastructure to help care for the children of low-wage workers, either.

But that doesn't matter to the class of people who look down on those workers. It's so easy for wealthy or even white-collar middle-class people to dismiss the stressful and dead-end life of the working poor.

oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
8. Target pays $15 an hour. Even walmart pays over 10.
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:02 PM
May 2021

And if all that is a reason, then what were people doing before the extra UE? They were working. Now they can get even better pay than before the pandemic
Inflation is already rearing its head. We dont need EVERYTHING to go even higher. Elections are next yr.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
16. Targt in Oregon wsn't paying 15, but more, they only work a person 26'ish hour a week which is an
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:03 PM
May 2021

huge issue. Can't get a guaranteed 40 hr and very hard juggling two part time jobs that do not interfere with each other.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
21. That is a given. But pay people so little, even at 15 with todays cost of living, they need a solid
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:14 PM
May 2021

40 hour week.

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apnu

(8,749 posts)
20. Many people are jumping the gun with COVID
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:10 PM
May 2021

They're seeing light at the end of the tunnel and are recklessly sprinting toward it.

oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
30. Vaccines are available for everyone now. Its not reckless to tell people to work
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:54 PM
May 2021

The vaccines are showing to be extremely effective. If you refuse to get a vaccine and then refuse to work because "its not safe", then I'd say cut off the UE completely.

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #30)

oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
49. Not sure where you are, but its the opposite in most places
Thu May 13, 2021, 06:56 AM
May 2021

There were more jobs available in March than at any time since 2000. No, they're not all high paying ones. But a lot of them are. Bath Iron Works, from MAINE, has been in Savannah GA for weeks trying to hire people. Why so far from home? Companies are offering money just to show up for an INTERVIEW. Some offering $1000 after you've been on the job for 6 months
CBS is doing a story on it on tonight's news. I'll be interested to see what they have to say

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #49)

oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
52. If you're referring to Bath, yes. They're Navy shipbuilders.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:05 AM
May 2021

I just thought it odd that they're recruiting in GA. And even paying for relocation. The other examples were everything from fast food to industrial. But i'm wanting to see this CBS story tonight to see what details they give. NPR has been doing some stories on it too.

Being in Texas, I would think there would be even more opportunities as they've reopened quicker. I guess not.

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oldsoftie

(12,488 posts)
7. Everyone can get a vaccine now. No more excuses.
Wed May 12, 2021, 12:59 PM
May 2021

The most repeated reason for staying out has been "I dont feel safe returning". That excuse no longer exists.
Everything in my town has BEEN reopened.
Except City Hall. And you just cant get ANYTHING done via email & voice messages.
The reason they're still closed is that so many city employees WONT get the vaccine!!

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
10. "Senate Democrats skeptical of extending $300 unemployment benefit"
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:04 PM
May 2021
Some Republican governors have already announced they would end the program before its expiration date as vaccinations continue and virus caseloads decline. In Montana, for example, Republican Gov. Greg Gianforte will end participation in the federal benefit at the end of June.

“I don’t think that’s unreasonable,” said Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.). “But it’s Montana, and I can’t tell you if that same thing would apply in Vermont or in Nevada.”

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) echoed that sentiment, noting that in New Hampshire “the unemployment rate is pretty low at this point” and “if that continues it probably should not be extended.”

But senators also cautioned that the issue is not on their radar just yet, since the deadline isn’t until the start of September.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va) suggested he’s open to changing the benefit, though he acknowledged there were not “active discussions” yet on its extension. Congress’ aid had been “generous” during a “tough time” for Americans, he said. “But that doesn't mean that now that we're nearer hopefully to the end of this than the beginning we can't make adjustments."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/11/senate-democrats-unemployment-benefit-487295

0rganism

(23,924 posts)
24. yeah my brain is having a hard time digesting that sentence
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:31 PM
May 2021

it makes just as much sense the fourth time i read it

i think it decodes to "Joe Manchin is an asshole" but it's hard to know for certain

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. I think he meant "anyone", not "no one", or this could be more Politico intentional "misinformation"
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:51 PM
May 2021

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
32. I know, he totally misspoke that sentence completely..
Wed May 12, 2021, 03:10 PM
May 2021

Plus, its's "there ain't no excuse"" not "there's not an excuse".

Dad gum city slickers...

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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Just Politico* asking irrelevant questions to make Democrats, particularly Manchin, look bad.
Wed May 12, 2021, 01:45 PM
May 2021

It's what they do. There probably won't be an extension proposed and hopefully there won't be a need for an extension.

*Politico: "Will you support Biden if he runs for a third term?"
Manchin: "Absolutely not, that would be unconstitutional!"

Politico Headline: "Manchin refuses to support Biden!"

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
22. it's so easy for me to fall for it.
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:28 PM
May 2021

thankfully every now and then someone like you is around to wisen me up. Thanks

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
23. "There probably won't be an extension proposed" - several Democrats have already proposed extenting
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:30 PM
May 2021

unemployment benefits past September.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
31. There are no "active discussions" because people like Manchin oppose the extensions...
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:58 PM
May 2021

and hence the votes aren't there to make it happen. Several Democrats have proposed extending the unemployment benefits past September but Republicans (and some Democrats in addition to Manchin) oppose the proposed extension.

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. I think they're being practical. The extension just passed a month or so ago, and the expiration...
Wed May 12, 2021, 03:15 PM
May 2021

...is still almost four months from now.

Don't throw this all on Senator Manchin.

Response to apnu (Reply #19)

Traildogbob

(8,674 posts)
26. Just an observation
Wed May 12, 2021, 02:46 PM
May 2021

I live in rural Western North Carolina. There are hiring signs everywhere in food service, Wally World etc. A Burger King has posted on the sign $12.50 and hour. I have no idea what the others are paying and hours allowed. But it is near high school graduation and summer tourism and there is ALWAYS and massive spring hiring for summer masses of tourist. That, plus the virus shut downs of the past year and the reopening, though maybe rushed, are having all these businesses going after workers. And many workers may still be afraid of the pandemic so candidates are harder to find. If $12.50 an hour is close to average, here where few jobs are a available there are reasons they are not being filled. Could be covid fear, could be lousy hours offered, could be some ARE enjoying government help. One booming business, is home building, expensive 2nd homes in the mountains, gotta spend those Ryan tax cuts, and lawn maintenance/ landscaping for those wealthy play house owners. Both of those are filled by hard working Latinos. It is fact a lot of whites here will not work labor, and have always enjoyed government socialism. Young female Baby factories are thick here. Young white women with multiple babies and grocery carts filled to the top. (90 percent trumpers bitching about socialist and lazy blacks) Very small black populations here.
If the infrastructure jobs are construction, hard work required, not a lot of white workforce here willing to take those jobs, even with great pay. I certainly am
not saying this is nationwide, but it is that way here. But it may be what Manchin sees in rural WVa. And why he opposed continued government help.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
53. He would be far from alone among Democratic Senators in that position.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:26 AM
May 2021

A weakly increase in unemployment benefits was introduced over a year ago as a temporary emergency measure due to the pandemic forcing many millions out of the workforce, when entire industries were virtually shuttered. With wide spread availability of effective vaccines it is inevitable at some point that a majority in Congress will consider the "emergency" phase of the pandemic to be over, with the economy once again capable of producing enough jobs for people to find employment.

I am not arguing that the weekly emergency added benefits should be terminated in September, it is too soon to have an informed opinion on that, and I sure as hell am not arguing that working class Americans don't deserve or need more assistance. However for those who think that Joe Manchin almost single handedly stands in the way of progressive legislation passing, this would be a poor example of that. I predict that he will be joined by a dozen or two other Democratic Senators in taking that position regarding any further extensions.

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