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Eugene

(61,791 posts)
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 05:40 PM Jun 2021

Keystone pipeline canceled after Biden had blocked permit

Source: Associated Press

BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — The sponsor of the Keystone XL crude oil pipeline said Wednesday it is pulling the plug on the contentious project after Canadian officials failed to persuade President Joe Biden to reverse his cancellation of its permit on the day he took office.

Calgary-based TC Energy said it would work with government agencies “to ensure a safe termination of and exit from” the partially built line, which was to transport crude from the oil sand fields of western Canada to Steele City, Nebraska.

Construction on the 1,200-mile (1,930-kilometer) pipeline began last year when former President Donald Trump revived the long-delayed project after it had stalled under the Obama administration.

It would have moved up to 830,000 barrels (35 million gallons) of crude daily, connecting in Nebraska to other pipelines that feed oil refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast.

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By MATTHEW BROWN
13 minutes ago


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-keystone-pipeline-canada-environment-and-nature-141eabd7cca6449dfbd2dab8165812f2

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Keystone pipeline canceled after Biden had blocked permit (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2021 OP
Excellent news! Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #1
It would have moved up to 830,000 barrels (35 million gallons) of crude daily Submariner Jun 2021 #2
I think Canada will find another way to bring the tar sands to market. OneCrazyDiamond Jun 2021 #3
They're trying to right now. Cobalt Violet Jun 2021 #18
It's not a question of IF the pipeline will lose structural integrity. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #8
And how long it would take to discover the leak, since the pipeline would have been underground. SunSeeker Jun 2021 #11
I hadn't even considered the "underground" part. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #30
We rely on the oil companies' gauges and sensors to detect a leak. SunSeeker Jun 2021 #32
Those are some very bad numbers, indeed. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #34
Another Biden victory!! nt Imallin4Joe Jun 2021 #4
Love ya, Canada, but run that shit through your own back yard. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2021 #5
now compensate the ppl whose land you stole using eminant domain AllaN01Bear Jun 2021 #6
+ 1,000 nt pazzyanne Jun 2021 #13
Whew! GOOD!!! calimary Jun 2021 #7
Of course the Repubs keithsw Jun 2021 #9
If they cared about union jobs, they'd pass Biden's infrastructure bill. SunSeeker Jun 2021 #12
Best news of the day. sellitman Jun 2021 #10
Yippee!! Piratedog Jun 2021 #14
Thank effing cilla4progress Jun 2021 #15
The leak at a ND farm in 2013 ruined over 7 acres of farm land 70sEraVet Jun 2021 #16
Why don't the Canadians build a refinery and process the crude in their own country? patphil Jun 2021 #17
Wow wow. BumRushDaShow Jun 2021 #19
Great!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #20
Glad to see we've come around on this. jalan48 Jun 2021 #21
Took over 25 years. marble falls Jun 2021 #22
W000000t!!!! electric_blue68 Jun 2021 #23
It's such a happy day! iluvtennis Jun 2021 #24
But what about the starving oil executives? twodogsbarking Jun 2021 #25
Averting an environmental disaster Mysterian Jun 2021 #26
I just don't have words for this. Cafe Cat Jun 2021 #27
If oil producers could be convinced Marthe48 Jun 2021 #28
Opportunities from the Keystone cancellation queenmandy85 Jun 2021 #29
Now to kill Enbridge line 5 running through the Straits of Mackinac. roamer65 Jun 2021 #31
Righteous! Thank you. ⭐️ Judi Lynn Jun 2021 #33
I'm of mixed feelings about this. Calista241 Jun 2021 #35

Submariner

(12,496 posts)
2. It would have moved up to 830,000 barrels (35 million gallons) of crude daily
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jun 2021

Picture those quartz granules in the Tar Sand mix scouring the inside lining of that pipe until it erodes through into a spectacular oil spill that the piping company will be very sorry for, that no one could have foreseen, yada...yada...yada

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,031 posts)
3. I think Canada will find another way to bring the tar sands to market.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:09 PM
Jun 2021

Still, I am glad we are not accomplices in their effort

BobTheSubgenius

(11,558 posts)
8. It's not a question of IF the pipeline will lose structural integrity.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:41 PM
Jun 2021

It's a question of when...and how bad.

SunSeeker

(51,499 posts)
11. And how long it would take to discover the leak, since the pipeline would have been underground.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:11 PM
Jun 2021

That's why pipeline leaks are so disastrous. They go on for days, weeks, months, or even years before they are discovered. By then the oil has seeped into groundwater aquifers, and cleanup is basically impossible.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,558 posts)
30. I hadn't even considered the "underground" part.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:15 PM
Jun 2021

My (very) bad. I believe telemetry is good enough to detect a leak, but I don't know how much flow change that would require, nor how it might be pinpointed.

My car knows when the gas cap isn't screwed down completely tight. It's all a matter of how much money is required and the will to make it happen.

SunSeeker

(51,499 posts)
32. We rely on the oil companies' gauges and sensors to detect a leak.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:57 PM
Jun 2021

Last edited Sat Jun 12, 2021, 02:40 PM - Edit history (2)

That's like relying on criminals to tell you when they rob a bank.

My experience with underground oil pipe leaks in the Santa Maria and Santa Barbara areas of California has cemented my belief that oil pipelines are an unacceptable danger to the environment. In the Santa Barbara leak, the instruments failed (or were never maintained) and the leak went on for months, not being discovered until it surfaced on the beach and fouled the beach and ocean.

Oil pipelines regularly fail in California. Federal pipeline data shows there were 621 pipeline incidents in California from 1986 through 2014, causing 200 injuries, 48 fatalities and almost $800 million in property damage. A Center analysis of federal pipeline data found pipeline failures are most common after 30 years and shortly after they’re completed, as a result of faulty welds and other construction-related problems.
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2019/plains-all-american-pipeline-04-25-2019.php

BobTheSubgenius

(11,558 posts)
34. Those are some very bad numbers, indeed.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 02:46 PM
Jun 2021

Well, at least the executives cashed the bonus cheques, right?

AllaN01Bear

(17,906 posts)
6. now compensate the ppl whose land you stole using eminant domain
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:27 PM
Jun 2021

and release the ones in jail that who refused u and or protested u. good news .

keithsw

(436 posts)
9. Of course the Repubs
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 06:50 PM
Jun 2021

are going to take this and run with it. " Biden cost America thousands of good union jobs! " Like they give a fuck about Union people

SunSeeker

(51,499 posts)
12. If they cared about union jobs, they'd pass Biden's infrastructure bill.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 07:19 PM
Jun 2021

The XL pipeline would have created a few thousand temporary construction jobs, while devastating the environment. Biden’s infrastructure bill would create 2.7 million permanent new jobs, and help save the environment.

70sEraVet

(3,471 posts)
16. The leak at a ND farm in 2013 ruined over 7 acres of farm land
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 08:03 PM
Jun 2021

The leak wasn't discovered by the oil company - it was discovered by the farmer when he began harvesting his fields. For some unknowable reason, the oil company had no way of knowing that the amount of oil coming OUT of the pipeline was less than the amount going INTO the pipeline!
https://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Oil-Spills/North-Dakota-Farmer-Stumbles-on-Massive-Oil-Leak.html

BumRushDaShow

(128,287 posts)
19. Wow wow.
Wed Jun 9, 2021, 08:14 PM
Jun 2021

What a saga and sad journey this has been but it shows the power of the people who kept up with the protests to protect the land. I just remember all the images posted on DU of those making their stand.

And now the victory is almost anti-climatic (pun not intended).

Marthe48

(16,885 posts)
28. If oil producers could be convinced
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:48 AM
Jun 2021

that renewable sources of energy would be worth the R&D, worth building infrastructure, beyond their wildest dreams, and show them how well startups in renewables are doing, maybe they would stop beating their dead horse and get on board.

How much did it cost to move from whale oil to kerosene to electricity? How hard was it to switch from coal to natural gas?

Instead of dragging their feet, oil producers and power companies all over the world should be embracing and supporting new technology. It is here, it is going to supersede oil and gasoline. Cut the transition period and let's get on with it.

 

queenmandy85

(11 posts)
29. Opportunities from the Keystone cancellation
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 11:51 AM
Jun 2021

We currently have the opportunity to transition away from fossil fuels to nuclear power. Solar power is an important element in energy generation but it is insufficient to support future needs. Initially, uranium fuelled generators are necessary to bridge the gap until thorium LFTR's can replace them.
While, there is some resistance to uranium generation plants, that is an indictment of the education system. Four times more Americans died yesterday, June 9, 2021, from covid 19, than have been killed in nuclear power plant accidents in the 75+ years of nuclear power generation. Chernobyl was the worst accident, accounting for most of the 100+ deaths from nuclear power accidents. Fukushima had one fatality. A worker died of a heart attack.
Thorium has no military applications, will not melt down and produces far less waste.
The transition to nuclear power means a lot of union jobs, from generation to expansion and electrification of the rail network.
It also means Canada can preserve it's coal and oil resources for future generations of Canadians. The 10's of thousands of products made from coal and oil are far more valuable than burning it.
Cancelling Keystone was the best decision President Biden could have made.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
35. I'm of mixed feelings about this.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:22 PM
Jun 2021

On the one hand, I'm glad that stuff isn't coming here, and leaks of the pipeline into our land won't happen.

On the other hand, they're still going to dig up and mine the tar sand. They'll just export those it to other countries for processing into oil, rather than having us do it here. Those other countries most likely won't have the environmental controls that we do.

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