Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president

[Calista241]

Source: Politico

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance has indicated he does not currently plan to charge the Trump Organization with crimes related to allegations of "hush money" payments and real estate value manipulations, according to a personal lawyer for Donald Trump.

Ronald Fischetti, a New York attorney who represents the former president, said on Monday that in a meeting last week, he asked Vance’s team for details on charges they were considering.

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

“We asked, ‘Is there anything else?’” Fischetti told POLITICO. “They said, ‘No.’”

“It’s crazy that that’s all they had,” he added.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/28/trump-lawyer-manhattan-da-wont-charge-496768

[Botany]

1. Didn't Vance let Trump and his spawn walk away from their crimes previously?

[Grasswire2]

4. yes nt

[JohnSJ]

8. yup, and there were calls for him to resign because of the way he handled sexual assault cases

against various women

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/us/hadden-accusers-call-for-vance-resignation/index.html

[LenaBaby61]

18. Didn't Vance let Trump and his spawn walk away from their crimes previously?

WHICH is why I don't nor have I ever trusted this clown. My friends said, he's a good DA.

Good DA my old ass I told him. I can't wait to see what my guy friend says now about Vance.

[zentrum]

20. Yup.

[peppertree]

52. The wonders of kompromat

I'm sure his late, great father warned him about that - but alas...

[riversedge]

2. damn. damn.

nothing else to say.

[Marrah_Goodman]

3. People like trump never gave consequences.

[YoshidaYui]

39. I am hoping that one day

some PIECE of food will over load his circuits and cause his brain to explode... OH wait.. who are we talking about again?

[SergeStorms]

5. Dog dammit.

I'm so sick of that giant Orange Turd thumbing his nose at every law in the land and getting away with it.

[Me.]

6. Who Is Surprised By This

this is why we hate Vance here

[zentrum]

21. Exactly. Hate him.

[PSPS]

7. It's obvious that everyone is going to skate. it's the american way.

I'm sure the stories about "is in jeopardy of" and "could result in charges" and "called to testify" generate a lot of revenue-generating clicks as well as good fodder for fundraising emails. But the fact is that all of these people are rich and, thus, untouchable. Anything that claims otherwise is just a tired retread of the infamous "fitzmas."

[Tomconroy]

9. Doesn't really seem

Like much of a criminal case, if that's all there is.

[Lovie777]

10. Fischetti is not telling the whole truths ...

Investigations are on going, and what's up now are I assume indictments for some employees at this time. It's still on going re: shithole.

[Calista241]

13. Nobody is going to jail for this.

This will literally be one of the first times anyone is prosecuted for something like this. The Trump Org will be able to point to any number of other corporations doing the exact same thing. Vance will count himself lucky if he gets those back taxes paid with interest.

[monkeyman1]

27. dear people ! trump's lawyer is complete bull shit ! indicting trump .org first.

poitico is going for rating's !

[onetexan]

68. Exactly. This is Politico quoting the Con's crooked lawyer

[marble falls]

11. Let's burn down the WH because one of Trump's fucking lawyers gave us HIS spin?????

[Lovie777]

14. Exactly . . . ..

I surprised he didn't go on fake news (fox).

[quaint]

17. We mustn't consider the source, of course.

[rownesheck]

12. Maybe Cy Vance

is mobbed up and was elevated to his position to keep "certain people" from facing any real consequences.

[Scrivener7]

15. Yup. Saw that coming a mile away. If they meant to do it, we wouldn't have had that

"maybe he'll charge him in a while" episode last week.

They're going to Nixon this. If they don't I will be ecstatic, but they will.

[davsand]

16. That came from pendejo45's lawyer.

Like his lawyers NEVER spout bullshit...

Link to tweet

[Calista241]

24. Barr and the DOJ controlled the message when the Mueller report came out.

Vance and the DA's office could contradict anyone at any time if they wanted to.

We'll see if / when they start charging people with these tax crimes, which should be in the next few days.

[LiberalLovinLug]

67. I love the little tease to lead on the easy marks like us

"our investigation is ongoing"

Because we want to believe that the rich and powerful and criminal will pay for their crimes. Especially Donald Trump.
That he can throw out a line like that so that some will say..."See? the REAL charges are still coming!"

No. Until that fat sob dies from eating one too many cheeseburgers, he will live a life of opulence and privilege, tweeting from his golden toilet.

The best we can do is try and make sure his legacy is accurately put down. Because there will be many who will try and rewrite history for him, they already are with the Jan 6th insurrection details. By this time next year, it will be common knowledge with half of America that it was just a group of tourists who got a little rowdy. And the FBI stirred them up to make it worse. ANTIFA!!! etc..

I'm soooooooo tired of reading posts like "Bush is going down!" "Cheney will be charged!", "KKKarl Rove is toast!"........and all the Republicans since. We have to get over celebrating early. If it happens, Trump is indicted, and charged, and sentenced to a prison time, I will celebrate then. A lot.

[llashram]

19. we will see

that's it for me. If trump and org walk, it is what I expected. I just have my hopes that this is some kind of political/legal ploy on the part of trumps lawyer(s) in these cases. Vance is quiet...good or bad, I don't know

[Justice matters.]

26. Fish chetti *hopes* to get paid so he's spouting what his *client* wants to hear...

And some DUers *fall* for it *again*

[llashram]

29. probably right

[groundloop]

22. Still, it looks like charges related to failure to pay taxes are forthcoming

According to Fischetti, members of Vance’s team said they were considering bringing charges against the Trump Organization and its individual employees related to alleged failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits and perks. It has been widely reported that those perks included cars and apartments and appear to only involve a small number of executives.

“We asked, ‘Is there anything else?’” Fischetti told POLITICO. “They said, ‘No.’”


Despite the previous doom and gloom comments, I read this as we can expect charges relating to tax fraud/failure to pay taxes.

[TexasBushwhacker]

38. I agree, and it's no small thing

The son of Allen Weiselberg, Trump's accountant, got the use of an apartment overlooking Central Park for FREE. He lived there 7 years. That would amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars in rent. That's just one person, one case.

[Icono Classless Jerk]

23. ". . .according to a personal lawyer for Donald Trump."

Need I say more?

[thesquanderer]

25. Looks like Fitzmas may be coming a little early this year. (n/t)

[Thomas Hurt]

28. I ask how can anyone be surprised by this?

They do this sh*t and just end up making the Pig look like he is being persecuted.

[Chainfire]

30. Hang on a minute

This story is coming from one of Trump's lawyers. I will wait to get upset about it until it comes from the DA.

[NJCher]

44. this would seem to be

the common sense approach.

I have never seen a site with so many pessimists and cynics as DU.

[George II]

31. They're discussing this on Ari Melber's show right now. He won't be indicted "yet"! But there ARE...

...going to be charges this week.

Ivanka?
Junior?
Eric?
Weiselberg?

Which will it be and will they flip on trump?

[Fiendish Thingy]

40. I'm guessing Weisselberg for sure and possibly Eric

Eric was in charge of 7 springs tax filings IIRC.

[GB_RN]

32. They Are Going To Go After The Little Fish FIRST

And get them to roll on the bigger fish. They also said the "investigation is ongoing", so of course they said they aren't going to charge him (right now). They would say that anyway.

[pnwmom]

33. Why believe anyone on team Trump? They lied about the Mueller report, remember? n/t

[mcar]

50. Right?

I can't believe people are going crazy over "trump's lawyers say." SMDH

[rockfordfile]

53. We will see. There's a lot of corruption. Trump should have been in jail years ago

Now get to see why he keeps get off.

[pnwmom]

54. No, we don't get to see anything "now," except the first step

of what will be a very complicated process.

This is going to look like a major mob prosecution. Step by step by step.

[choie]

34. son of a bitch

n/a

[choie]

35. So why did Vance's office proclaim

that trump's lawyers had until the end of the day to "convince him" not to indict? I guess they convinced him.

[Hugin]

36. There's always the NY State AG.

She's the one the Trumpsters are really afraid of in the end.

[SoCalDavidS]

37. AMERICA!

Anybody who is surprised by this, hasn't been paying attention the last 250 years.

[rdking647]

41. if trump skates free why should anyone obey the law

honestly why pay taxes? why follow any law you dont like?
whats the point if teh laws only apply to some not all

[AverageOldGuy]

42. Not surprised

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance has indicated he does not currently plan to charge the Trump Organization with crimes related to allegations of "hush money" payments and real estate value manipulations, according to a personal lawyer for Donald Trump.

Well, there you have it. Vance will let Trump walk away from bank fraud, insurance fraud, and tax fraud. Trump will then proclaim that he was exonerated of all wrongdoing.

I have a friend -- he died about five years ago -- who was involved in some illegal dealings in Louisiana (imagine that!!) and spent two years in a minimum security prison in Carville, LA. He once told me: "It's a lot cheaper to buy a judge than to pay a lawyer."

When you have money -- gobs and gobs of money -- no one will touch you.

So -- Trump walks, Vance goes on to write a book about how he dropped the hammer on Trump and the rest of us will continue to struggle.

[inwiththenew]

43. George W Bush all over again

Bush got off scot-free as well.

[jO456]

45. But the police can execute you for selling loose cigarettes

[mcar]

46. "according to a personal lawyer for ***"

For sweet Jeesus sake, people, why would you believe this?

[mcar]

47. Please consider deleting this

Link to tweet

?s=20

Newsmax has now deleted its tweet falsely claiming that Donald Trump wont be indicted.

Yet Politico, which was the original source of the false information, still has yet to change its false headline.

Sad day when Politico is being even more dishonest than Newsmax 🤡

[turbinetree]

48. Agreed .......................

[George II]

59. "Sad day when Politico is being even more dishonest than Newsmax" - been a close contest recently!

[mcar]

61. Sad day when Democrats fall for Politico's and Trump's lawyers

nonsense.

[NJCher]

49. Notes from Chris Hayes segment

Prosecutors did not inform the defense lawyers what they were going to do after the meting.

Trump lawyers pointed out there would be harm to the business.

Two guests.

CH (Chris Hayes) asks if such a meeting is uncommon. He is told by Danya Perry, former fed pros, that it is not uncommon.

Rare that it works (prosecutors being persuaded not to proceed), but if it did you would not hear about the case (not possible in this situation). A case involving Karl Rove was her example.

Dave (other guest) Fahrenthold, reporter at Wash. Post, is asked how big a problem the "hurting Joe Blow" point is. He points out liquor licenses are a problem, but that would only be after conviction.

CH asks how Danya would think through the decision. She responds with the following criteria:

a) collateral consequences (hurts Joe Blow)
b) pervasiveness of the conduct
c) how long it's been going on

These issues, she notes, do not count in favor of the trump organization.

Dave says Weisselberg is the person to watch this week.

-------------

Sounds to me like they think it's Weisselberg first, then maybe Trump.

[George II]

58. Nicolle Wallace and Ari Melber did segments on this, too. Forget all the details, but....

....was left thinking "this could be good!"

[AverageOldGuy]

51. This is why nothing will happen to Trump

If you buy a house and take out a mortgage of, say, $300,00, then, you owe the bank $300,000. The bank owns you.

If you owe the bank $300,000,000, then, you own the bank. There is no way that any bank can survive the default of a $300,000,000 loan.

That's the way it works for the super-rich.

Trump has a lot of property, all of which is mortgaged to the hilt. He owes around $1,000,000,000 -- that's ONE BILLION DOLLARS -- in loans on his property. While he does not owe this to one bank, the banks to which he is in debt cannot survive a default.

Thus, if the Trump organization is found guilty of whatever, it's a dream that the banks will abandon him and call in his loans. Instead, the banks to which he is in debt will sit with Trump, his accountants and lawyers, and they will work out a deal:
-- Trump retains title to the property
-- The bank takes a portion of the annual cash flow as payment on the loan
-- Trump keeps the rest of the annual cash flow for his personal use.
-- And he goes on with his rallies and his lifestyle.

His children -- Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka -- and his son-in-law Kushner -- will go on with their lives without a single bump in the road except for a few annoying depositions. Daughter Tiffany -- now a student at GWU Law School - was fortunate in that when her mother, Marla Maples, divorced Trump, she took Tiffany with her. As a result, Tiffany is not poisoned with the Trump brand.

And that, folks, is "justice" at work.

[CanonRay]

55. He's waiting for Weisenberg to flip.

[Evolve Dammit]

56. I would love to hear Preet's version after a couple beers. Unadulterated.

[George II]

57. This would not have happened earlier today if there aren't any serious indictments imminent:

Link to tweet

[Mr. Evil]

60. I'm hoping for the whole family to face charges of some sort but,

once again it'll probably be a few underlings getting slapped on the wrist and taking the heat for TFG. The latest 'Teflon Don.'

And how much money has he laundered for the Russian Mob?

Disgusted.

[gab13by13]

62. Much ado about nothing

this is just phase 1 of the process. Everyone chill. They go after the little fish first. Everything is going according to plan.

They aren't going to spend over 2 years investigating and only charge jay walking.

[LudwigPastorius]

63. I can only hope that Vance & Co. are playing it close to the vest in order...

to keep Trump from skipping out of the country.

[KPN]

65. Can you summ arize for those who can't watch the video?

[KPN]

73. Thanks much. Good stuff!

[SunSeeker]

66. Bad headline. Trump's lawyer did not say that.

He said Vance's team told him Trump won't be named in these initial indictments. That's VERY different than saying Trump won't be charged.

[NurseJackie]

69. Politico.

[GB_RN]

72. Yup, And As Charles Pierce Calls It,

"Tiger Beat On the Potomac". That in and of itself should tell you all you need to know about "Politico". But if that's not enough, it's definitely a "both sides" rag.

[DAngelo136]

70. Three Words...

"Consider the source"

[truthisfreedom]

74. Looks like they're hunting for witnesses

For some of the bigger crimes. Looking to turn people in the know.

[marble falls]

75. Guess who got indicted today?