Ohio governor signs budget that includes allowing medical providers to deny services to LGBT

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: New York Daily News

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has signed a state budget that includes a provision allowing medical providers to deny services to LGBTQ people based on moral, ethical, or religious objections.

In his own words, the $74 billion state budget, which was signed late on Wednesday, “speaks to what pulls us together and it reminds us that we have so much more in common than the things that pull us apart,” he said, according to News 5 Cleveland.

Besides focusing on infrastructure, tax cuts, school funding, and access to broadband, the budget also includes anti-LGBTQ medical refusal language.

According to the Human Rights Campaign, “the provision allows medical practitioners to deny medical care based upon the provider’s personal beliefs, including for LGBTQ people in Ohio.”

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-governor-signs-budget-that-includes-provision-allowing-medical-providers-to-deny-services-to-lgbtq-people/ar-AALHIvT?li=BBnb7Kz

[CrispyQ]

1. I'm so sick of these self-righteious, hypocritical, immoral assholes. -nt

[WHITT]

2. He's Gonna Get Sued By The DOJ

Well, first they'll send him a letter informing him that is a violation of federal law, and if not reversed, they'll get a judge to order him to do so.

[NullTuples]

47. This is exactly the sort of case the conservative SCOTUS has been waiting for.

If it reaches them, my prediction is they want to split the difference between personal opinions of others based on religious beliefs and LGBTQ equality as if they are intrinsically equally. Sorta like how Fox News does it.

The end result I fear will be a "balance" that is heavily skewed at the enforcement end toward "religious liberty" because any government entity will be only allowed to use the least restrictive means in restricting people imposing their religious beliefs on others. Which lately all too often means religious liberty wins.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. When did the goods and services we produce become embued with our religious beliefs?

Does this go back as far as "one a penny, two a penny, hot cross buns"?

[NullTuples]

25. How long has the Church (or in America, conservative Protestantism) been a power?

[HUAJIAO]

27. Since at least the 5th century.

[True Blue American]

55. Catholic

But DeWine did not hesitate at all to sign the $61 million dollar bribe law, or giving the NRA the right to carry after promising Daytonians he would create a gun law bill to make guns hat o get.

That nice, little man is a strong supporter of Trump and is just like him. The party in Ohio is the most corrupt in my lifetime and we have seen some doozys.

[Marthe48]

4. Should we ask our doctor if they would treat LGBTQ people?

and act accordingly? Such as yes, thank them. Or no, transfer records to a doctor who says yes?

I sure hope this is not legal, and that dessicated old fart blows away in the wind. And all of the absolutely disguting r's destroying my state.

[NullTuples]

26. That is exactly what many if not nearly all LGBTQ people are forced to do.

So, yes; please do. It would show solidarity.

[BadGimp]

5. Where does it end?

What's next?

I don't like your religion so I deny you...

[KPN]

6. I say it's high time we all pass a budget "allowing medical providers to deny services to [GQPers]

based on moral, ethical, or religious objections."

And then let's blatantly lie about the budget provision declaring it “speaks to what pulls us together and it reminds us that we have so much more in common than the things that pull us apart.”

Fuck a******* like pea-brained Mike DeWine. The world will be far better without them. ... And I do mean will be! We are absolutely going to win this great struggle in the end, though it may be a long time coming. Hang in there humans.

[Jedi Guy]

33. You can do that now, with no new legislation required.

Political affiliation/ideology isn't a protected class.

[Botany]

7. Even in very red and gerrymandered OH the GOP should soon become extinct

Selling hate, lies, and their phony ass Christianity to an ever shrinking group of mouth breathers.

[True Blue American]

56. We better hope this committee we voted for

Cleans out some of them.

Just like Trump they are doing as much dirty work as they can before they are run out of town.

I just found this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/5evtgp/gif_i_made_of_trump_being_run_out_on_a_rail_from/

[Botany]

58. "...they are doing as much dirty work as they can before they are run out of town."

"They" are in the La Bera Tar Pits* of demographic and cultural change so they are going for max damage.

Wanna kill wolf pups in their dens fine, rig and steal elections fine, pander to mouth breathing dumb fucks
fine, have multiple media and web sites to spread their hate and lies fine (you can't go anyplace in America
where the radio is not full of right wing crap and now their are throwing millions into having "Latino Rush Limbaughs&quot ,
invent phony problems such as critical race theory fine, keep telling right wing Evangelicals that their faith
and values are under attack by ______ (fill in the blank) fine, deny science and facts fine, and keep it up 24/7.

BTW Trump tore up Jackie Kennedy's Rose Garden because he had been told he was gonna lose and just
wanted to be a prick.


*

[keithbvadu2]

8. Now Catholics/Protestants can refuse to treat each other?

Many Catholics/Protestants consider the other to be false Christians.

Both could refuse to treat Jews/Mormons/JWs?

[lonely bird]

43. The SCOTUS opened the door with the Hobby Lobby decision

And the freaking idiot baker decision. The upshot of those two decisions is that discrimination is now legal.

As for Ohio? Republicans are trying to out-Trump each other.

I give the country 30 years, max.

[Diamond_Dog]

9. Sanctimonious ass!

[MiniMe]

10. I'm waiting for these idiot assholes to write something that they can deny treating fat people

because it hurts their delicate senses. Grrrr

[Runningdawg]

15. They don't need to obese people are already being discriminated against.

[ScratchCat]

11. Can someone link the text of the bill?

Because I highly doubt it actually says this: “the provision allows medical practitioners to deny medical care based upon the provider’s personal beliefs, including for LGBTQ people in Ohio.” in the bill.

Its against the entire Hippocratic Oath to deny care. The bill can't possibly say that.

[subterranean]

28. You're right, it doesn't specifically mention LGBTQ people.

But it does explicitly authorize a medical practitioner to deny any health care service if they claim it violates their conscience. It also protects practitioners from being sued for withholding care, but does allow them to sue if they are forced to provide it.

The key paragraph is in the so-called Medical Practitioner Conscience Clause, which starts on page 319 here:

Recognizes the authority of a medical practitioner, health care institution, or health care payer to decline to perform, participate in, or pay for any health care service that violates the practitioner's, institution's, or payer's conscience as informed by the moral, ethical, or religious beliefs or principles held by the practitioner, institution, or payer.

[moriah]

57. No, but by giving payers (aka insurance companies/self-insured businesses)...

.... the same ability to have a "conscience" as an individual medical practitioner (who have almost always had some kind of conscience exemption for participation in medical procedures that go against their conscience)...

Then it could very easily, for example, lead to insurers denying single men or men married to other men coverage for PrEP regimens -- even if their doctor thinks it is the best thing for their health. Some might say the only situation their conscience could allow PrEP to be covered would be for married heterosexual sero-discordant couples of reproductive age, so they can continue to have sex without condoms and "replenish the earth".

While I think a doctor who won't give a life-saving medication to someone because they think the patient should live according to the doc's own morals and if they did they wouldn't need said life-saving medication should really hang up their stethoscope, we've recognized the right of Catholic surgeons/hospitals to refuse to do sterilization procedures.

I truly do not think a self-insured company (as the "payer" under this law) should get to dictate whether or not it will cover procedures/meds that don't violate a provider or hospital's conscience -- and in fact are recommended by that doctor in the course of a doctor-patient relationship as medically necessary.

[bringthePaine]

12. let's allow gov & private insurers to deny benefits to the righteously unvaccinated - they are

enemies of the state😬

[Nancy Waterman]

13. Intolerance masking as "religion"

Just as selfishness these days masks as "freedom".

This is today's GOP.

[rickyhall]

14. Sometimes I wish Jesus would return just to redefine His principles to His followers.

Of course, they could just read the Book.

[ZonkerHarris]

16. the party of "pro-life" are scum.

[Harker]

17. It's the Hippocratic Oath. Not Hypocritical Oath. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

18. Remember early on in the pandemic, when we were calling DeWine one

of the few Repukes that actually seemed to care about science, and was willing to do things to protect the citizens of that state?

Yeah, that was awesome.

[XanaDUer2]

61. same thing with Hogan

now he's trying to cut off federal UI payments in MD.

I actually had someone on here say that was just a 'mistake he made, in answer to me questioning his doing that.

[ladym55]

19. The language of the bill is a little more general

It does not come out and say that physicians, hospitals, and insurance companies can deny LGBTQ patients services based on their religious beliefs. It just says these entities can deny care when they feel providing care would be against their religious beliefs. HOWEVER, chances are really, really good that LGBTQ patients will be patients most likely to be denied services. The sad thing is that DeWine excused this by saying the bill just "codifies what is already happening in the state."

I think the world needs to know that in OHIO it is still perfectly legal to deny employment and housing to LGBTQ people. So this just fits in with what else is going on.

I keep thinking about the actual teachings of the gospels these so-called Christians pretend to believe in. As John Fugelsang points out, "Jesus never asked a fellow Nazarene for a copay." Jesus healed whoever sought healing ... and that included lepers. Hmmmm.

[keithbvadu2]

45. Remember: Jesus was not a 'Christian'.

Remember: Jesus was not a 'Christian'.

[ladym55]

50. I do remember

Christians became the name of his followers much later on. John Fugelsang refers to Christians as Jesus's unauthorized fan clubs.

My point was that those who loudly proclaim Jesus have no interest in anything the man taught or did.

[keithbvadu2]

51. I was agreeing with your point, not disagreeing.

I was agreeing with your point, not disagreeing.

[ladym55]

52. Sorry

I didn't read it that way. Things we miss when only seeing the printed word.

I can get into trouble here for saying things about faith.

[keithbvadu2]

53. We had an earlier discussion along those lines of word-only communications.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215412756

[dsc]

20. And under Fulton and what will be its progeny this will be legal

as long as a doctor can refuse to treat any patient, under any circumstances, then he or she will have to be permitted to refuse to treat these patients under any circumstances.

[EndlessWire]

21. How does this affect ER visits?

Does this law allow them to turn away people who need emergency care?

I am ashamed of these people. Wow, our country is not supposed to be like that. Just wow. Honestly, it's like something out of the Twilight Zone.

Not going away, this is reality, and two can play the game.

[Jedi Guy]

34. "Does this law allow them to turn away people who need emergency care?"

I'd be very surprised if it does. I'm not a doctor or a lawyer, but as I understand it, if someone presents to the ER with a life-threatening condition, the hospital is required to provide treatment regardless of considerations like the patient's race, sexual orientation, or even ability to pay.

The aim of this legislation, in my opinion, is to allow, for instance, a surgeon to decline to perform gender reassignment surgery, or a psychiatrist to decline to treat a person with gender dysphoria.

[EndlessWire]

48. Thank you for your answer.

It is legalized discrimination, and will not be limited to those instances. That's my opinion.

[Behind the Aegis]

22. But...but..gay people can marry. Homophobia is over. Gay rights are won!

Or so it has been 'splained to me many a time.

[Marrah_Goodman]

63. Yup

No more bigotry, racism, antisemitism....it all just went poof apparently.

I worry about how far laws like this will be able to go. I am sitting in Indy, helping my daughter and her fiance set up their first home, including a future nursery. Will pediatricians be able to turn them away? Or the fertilization clinic?

In some ways we have come far, but I feel as though we are backsliding with all this new legislation.

[roamer65]

23. Ohio is getting as bad as Indiana.

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When I drive thru Indiana on my way to Chicago, the only place I stop is the rest area to piss on the state.

[Jetheels]

24. So how do these medical providers know someone is lgbt? Can a medical provider refuse someone

treatment just because they think they look gay, maybe they are suspicious that someone is gay? What if they refuse treatment to someone who they think is gay but isn’t, and that patient dies? What then. Will hospitals, ems, etc have signs that say no lgbt? And what does an anti lgbt law have to do with state budget? I’m surprised there’s no whites only water fountains in the budget? Never will I step foot in Ohio again.

[turbinetree]

29. JFC 28 right wing states racing to see who can be the most discriminating's authoritarian

fascists' state ....

[sarcasmo]

38. Republican Jesus is full of hate.

[turbinetree]

40. Agreed .......................

[Solly Mack]

30. Hate is their personal god.

[mountain grammy]

32. True that!

[NurseJackie]

31. Why? Why are they so hateful?

[Jedi Guy]

36. From the Gospel of DeWine, Chapter 1, Verse 1.

"And Jesus spoke, 'Yea, verily, I say unto you, let the weird people die, lulz.'"

[The Jungle 1]

35. I am a doctor and I am sick of healing republicans.

For now on you must show me your party registration or go be sick elsewhere.

[Skittles]

46. yup

as with the baker refusing them a cake, if this goes through they need to be required to supply notification at their place of work and on their websites that they refuse to service certain people. That way, ALL of us can decide not to use their services. I cannot even imagine the kind of doctor who would do this. Doesn't the AMA have any say on this kind of nonsense? Disgusting.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

37. They get a "high" from being mean.

They will join Rumsfeld and Rush in Hell.

[sarcasmo]

59. Yep and being mean is in the GOP handbook.

[AllaN01Bear]

39. so. how does this balance your budget sir? i wanna know .

[irisblue]

41. so this means a LGBTQ MD/EMT/RN/XRay technologist can refuse to treat a trumper or a racist?

Sweet!!


Naah, our professional society's and credentialing requirements are higher then Ohio law.
You treat the patient in front of you.

[Evolve Dammit]

42. Republicans just plain suck. I'm sorry, but I'm done with reaching across the aisle bullshit. They

want America white, straight, "god-fearing" and not very bright. They would prefer females weren't educated at all, and wish they could just go back to the good old days of women and POC not having any rights at all. As George Carlin said about Republicans: "We know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for you." Google his "American Dream" piece. It's priceless.

[C Moon]

44. What does he care? He's 74, he'll never run for another office.

Hate-filled, backwards-thinking bastard.

[paleotn]

49. Goes both ways....

If I were a practitioner, I'd have to ponder treating magats. Wouldn't it be better for all if they let nature take its course?

[SunSeeker]

54. How can you be a licensed provider if you let your religion determine whether you treat someone?

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

60. Personally, I never want any hateful, ignorant fascist treating me for

any medical condition.

Last thing I need is some stupid bottom of their class wacko Qanon Trumplerite insurrectionist maskhole covidiot Jeebus freak getting anywhere near me when I'm sick.

[Marrah_Goodman]

62. Disgusting.

I wonder how many of friends and neighbors secretly think this is a good idea.