Police: Armed Men Who Don't 'Recognize Our Laws' on the Run

[liberalgunwilltravel]

Source: USNews

WAKEFIELD, Mass. (AP) — A group of heavily-armed men refused to comply with law enforcement officers following a traffic stop early Saturday morning in Massachusetts, police said.

Eight men armed with rifles and handguns exited a vehicle during a stop along Route 128, Wakefield police said in a statement.

...The men claimed to be from a group “that does not recognize our laws” and headed into a wooded area, according to the statement.

Route 95 in Wakefield was shut down in both directions, Massachusetts State Police tweeted. The agency said the men “are refusing to comply with orders to provide their information and put down their weapons.”

Residents in Wakefield and nearby Reading were advised to lock their doors and shelter in place.

Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/massachusetts/articles/2021-07-03/police-armed-men-who-dont-recognize-our-laws-on-the-run

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Trump's 'Merika.

[jpak]

1. Freedumb

WTF

[nuxvomica]

2. Congress should pass a law revoking such people's citizenship

We should call the bluff on so-called "sovereign citizens": you don't recognize our laws, y'all must not want to be citizens. Then deport them to Antarctica.

[onetexan]

6. +1 K&R

[FakeNoose]

10. There you go, that's the perfect solution

[RVN VET71]

12. I agree. Philip Nolan the shit out of them.

Place them at sea permanently, transferring each alone from ship to ship, kept in comfortable (I’m not a sadist) brigs, well fed and even given books to read -- as long as said books make no mention of the USA, or patriotism, or love of country. Since they renounce citizenship and membership in our country, they should not be permitted to live in, see, witness, or hear about our country.

[Mister Ed]

15. Yes. My thoughts exactly. n/t

[PatSeg]

35. That was what popped in my head

I remember that story from when I was in school. What a just punishment for people such as these.

It was an article in The Atlantic, 1863.

I suppose that very few casual readers of the "New York Herald" of August 13th observed, in an obscure corner, among the "Deaths," the announcement,

"NOLAN. DIED, on board U.S. Corvette Levant, Lat. 2° 11' S., Long. 131° W., on the 11th of May: Philip Nolan."

I happened to observe it, because I was stranded at the old Mission-House in Mackinac, waiting for a Lake-Superior steamer which did not choose to come, and I was devouring, to the very stubble, all the current literature I could get hold of, even down to the deaths and marriages in the "Herald." My memory for names and people is good, and the reader will see, as he goes on, that I had reason enough to remember Philip Nolan. There are hundreds of readers who would have paused at that announcement, if the officer of the Levant who reported it had chosen to make it thus:—"Died, May 11th, THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY." For it was as "The Man without a Country" that poor Philip Nolan had generally been known by the officers who had him in charge during some fifty years, as, indeed, by all the men who sailed under them. I dare say there is many a man who has taken wine with him once a fortnight, in a three years' cruise, who never knew that his name was "Nolan," or whether the poor wretch had any name at all.

There can now be no possible harm in telling this poor creature's story. Reason enough there has been till now, ever since Madison's Administration went out in 1817, for very strict secrecy, the secrecy of honor itself, among the gentlemen of the navy who have had Nolan in successive charge. And certainly it speaks well for the esprit de corps of the profession and the personal honor of its members, that to the press this man's story has been wholly unknown,—and, I think, to the country at large also. I have reason to think, from some investigations I made in the Naval Archives when I was attached to the Bureau of Construction, that every official report relating to him was burned when Ross burned the public buildings at Washington. One of the Tuckers, or possibly one of the Watsons, had Nolan in charge at the end of the war; and when, on returning from his cruise, he reported at Washington to one of the Crowninshields,—who was in the Navy Department when he came home,—he found that the Department ignored the whole business. Whether they really knew nothing about it, or whether it was a "Non mi ricordo," determined on as a piece of policy, I do not know. But this I do know, that since 1817, and possibly before, no naval officer has mentioned Nolan in his report of a cruise.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1863/12/the-man-without-a-country/308751/

[smb]

94. Or, Better Yet

Troll them with fake news about the Republican Party imploding as its leaders flip on each other in (mostly unsuccessful) attempts to avoid sedition convictions, outright socialist policies being enacted by a Congress where the few remaining Republicans have just given up trying to obstruct, etc.

[DBoon]

20. I would swap them for Honduran refugees

The refugees resettle in Massachusetts and the "sovereign citizens" get to battle Central American gangs. They will get to see what its like without a working government and we get some hard working people that appreciate our government.

[mjvpi]

37. My thoughts exactly

My guess is that they are "sovereign citizens" who support a boarder wall and closed boarders.

[Historic NY]

70. A perfect use for GITMO

[OneCrazyDiamond]

111. As long as they pay the give up citizenship taxes.

No freerides for people like that.

[llashram]

126. yeah and all

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Insurrectionists, all 1/6/21 participants in the attempted coup of American democracy. Trump, Ivanka, Bannon, Kushner, Miller, Oglethorpe or whatever that indicted CFO of trump org's name is. Send them along to the Arctic or Antarctica. Yeah, that's the tickets... to have...for them

[multigraincracker]

3. "that does not recognize our laws"

Much easier to recognize laws from behind bars.

[vercetti2021]

4. Lord

I'm sure these idiots think that the purge is a real movie

[KG]

5. yay. gunz.

[Girard442]

7. Astonishing that all the men were so disciplined that not one reached for his waistband.

We all know what would have happened then.

[3Hotdogs]

17. Or they would have made furtive movements that caused the officers to piss themselves.

[oldsoftie]

63. Local news says they ran as soon as they were pulled over

[Merlot]

77. Running away from police is not a good way to avoid getting shot

for some people anyhow. For others, I guess it works.

[oldsoftie]

112. it worked for THESE guys

[Merlot]

139. Maybe because they were armed?

Usually people running away aren't armed.

[Maxheader]

8. So what are they?

Bundy brave or suicidal.?....

[empedocles]

13. Wet dreamers?

[3Hotdogs]

19. Soverign citizens.

[griloco]

9. Wonder why they weren't riddled with bullets...?

[brewens]

11. I'll once again use my psychic powers and say they were not black. :) n/t

[LymphocyteLover]

18. my psychic powers tell me the same thing

[3Hotdogs]

21. If you're one cop and you're facing 8 assholes with guns, you ain't gonna escalate.

[brewens]

23. The way I read it, t's ongoing and the cops are in contact. So yeah, maybe the first cop

that pulled them over didn't want the shooting to start, but now it sounds like a standoff maybe.

[SledDriver]

47. Sounds about white

[Devil Child]

105. All BIPOC suspects arrested and no shots fired, still sound about white?

[SledDriver]

129. Absent that detail, yes, yes it does.

[jimfields33]

117. What's? They are african americans

[Dial H For Hero]

58. At this point it seems they're Moorish Sovereign Citizens.

[reACTIONary]

83. Background crom SPLC...

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens

[jmowreader]

84. If they're not black, they're not Moors

The best part about Moors: there is a church, the Moorish Science Temple of America, that was founded in the late 1800s. It still exists, and they say the Moorish Sovereign Citizen thing is total crap - and completely against their teachings.

[Scrivener7]

107. Actually, they are.

[sarisataka]

110. It appears your psychic powers

Need a tune up

[TNNurse]

34. Exactly, don't the police have weapons for dealing

with actual dangerous people???

[kinkshame]

102. Because the cops would be riddled with bullets back.

[flor-de-jasmim]

14. Then onto public officials who don't respect our laws.

Antarctica mught cool them down a bit, but it is also suffering from global warming.

[70sEraVet]

16. Maybe they'll recognize the military

Mass. has a National Guard, right?

[Marthe48]

22. Send them to any country that would take them

They don't deserve to live in the U.S.

Pure anarchy.

[AverageOldGuy]

24. Were they headed for DC??? See this earlier DU item . . .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142764385

WASHINGTON — The Department of Homeland Security is warning of a possible violent militia rally on July 4 in Washington, D.C., according to a law enforcement document obtained by Yahoo News.

The report, dated July 1 and produced by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis, says that FBI reporting indicates that suspected violent extremists may be planning to attend a large public gathering for the July 4 holiday on Capitol Hill.

As of mid-June, a private social media platform contained a discussion from four suspected militia members about the “Million Man Patriots Gathering,” the DHS report says, citing FBI intelligence.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/dhs-report-warns-of-possible-july-4th-militia-gathering-in-washington-dc-105928518.html

[NJCher]

90. plausible except for one thing

that is in the article, and that is that reservations in hotels and the like are down in the D.C. area. I think the article said by 30%.

Maybe, however, they are staying in tents to avoid having to provide identification information at hotels.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. When people have to lock their doors and shelter in place,

it's a good bet that the Second Amendment will not protect you for what happens next.

[FailureToCommunicate]

26. These "armed and dangerous" gun nuts are still on the loose near where we live...

Pretty scary situation. We're to "lock our doors and shelter in place."

State Police have caught two, but the remaining armed men are at large in wooded areas adjacent to the Rt 128 highway (unless they've carjacked somebody and are fleeing further).

[Tiger8]

40. Yes, I live less than 10 miles from the stop

People forget there are MAGAts anywhere Faux News and other RW propaganda outlets reach.

Nobody...and I mean NOBODY....would act like this in a civil society. These actions are the result of the First Amendment gone bonkers, where an endless supply of propaganda can be freely spewed - most likely the result of hostile countries (Russia) conducting a sophisticated disinformation campaign.

[Ford_Prefect]

27. It's not only TLG's "Murica, it's Putin's! You do remember all that Russian cash going to the NRA?

You recall the St. Petersburg Troll factory spinning and ginning up fake white rage?

[DFW]

28. We just got to the USA (Boston) yesterday

The local news this morning is full of nothing but this. I hope the ones not yet caught spend a few days in the cold and the rain before they surrender to the state police, who are conducting a massive manhunt for them. "Armed and dangerous" is being repeated over and over, and I think the Mass cops are not under any illusions that these guys are a poetry club.

[FailureToCommunicate]

31. Sorry for the unfortunate timing of this...oh, and for the lousy weather here in New England...

the next few days.

[DFW]

39. We live in the German Rheinland

We're used to it. It can only get better, right?

[FailureToCommunicate]

43. Yes it will get nicer...on Tuesday. We lived in Bethel bei Bielefeld in north Germany, so I know...

the lousy weather you have there.

[DFW]

45. So you need no further explanation

I've never heard of Belefeld. Any chance you meant Bielefeld?

[FailureToCommunicate]

57. Misspelling corrected. Too early. Yes, Bethel was our home while my father counseled...

families of thalidomide children in Germany and other European countries advocating for the kids to be mainstreamed instead of placed in separate schools or institutions. This was back in 1967 when those kids were just reaching school age.

And yes, the weather kinda sucked, plus, I couldn't WAIT to get back to America. The Motown sound was just hitting big, and the few that they played on Radio Luxembourg made me VERY homesick!

[Sinistrous]

93. My ancestors on my father's side came from Bielefeld in the early 19th century, (nt)

[FailureToCommunicate]

95. Interesting. I'll bet they did not miss leaving the yucky weather behind. Mine left fleeing...

the Prussian conscription that was scouping up all able bodied men for military fodder in the 1800's

They left and came to settle in Missouri.

[Paladin]

29. Heads' up, America.

Day before July 4. In Massachusetts.

[uncle ray]

30. i guess that means they don't recognize our Constitution, either.

fine, no responsibilities, then no rights.

[keithbvadu2]

67. Good point. They don't recognize the Second Amendment.

Good point. They don't recognize the Second Amendment.

Blowback

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Sounds like well, poorly executed traffic stop?

Failure to control the situation. Police didn't engage? Massachusetts has very restrictive gun laws.

This sounds like a gang of magats looking to execute some Massachusetts Libruls. Somewhere one of these fringe groups will start the war. Very frightening.

[FailureToCommunicate]

41. Acording to local news here, State Police stopped to assist two vehicles on the breakdown

lane of highway Rt 128 at 1:30 a. m.

Upon seeing the armed occupants- as many as eight- dressed in fatigues, police called for backup.

Apparently NOT MAGA's

[bucolic_frolic]

42. That may well be. "Shelter in place" makes it sound more scary than it is.

[FailureToCommunicate]

68. So, armed militia guys possibly moving thru your town doesn't sound scary?

"Shelter in place" orders are not given lightly.

We were the next town over from where they cornered the Marathon bombers. That was also a "shelter in place" order. My brother got a knock on his door by the swat team seaching house to house.

[bucolic_frolic]

98. Yes, that's what I thought originally

but the post that told me they weren't MAGA's skewed my thinking

I expect this type of stuff anywhere in America over the next 2 months until the reinstatement deadline is postponed until November

[NH Ethylene]

73. A bunch of armed fugitives desperately fleeing the cops sounds really scary to me.

I'd be afraid of a home invasion, which could turn deadly.

[Marrah_Goodman]

144. I think a group of armed men running from police in my neighborhood...

...would be way more scary then being told to shelter in place.

[Tiger8]

33. I live in Massachusetts, the next town over from this...

Massachusetts is better than this.

We're a deep blue state - the only state that voted for George McGovern in 1972. But we do have an infestation of MAGAts here. My response to one of them, was this...

"Fuck you. You work a blue collar union job where you pull down $100k + bennies, because Democrats fought for your union's right to collectively bargain. If you love Trump and Fox News so much, why don't you move to some Red State "right to work" shithole like Mississippi, where you'll get $10/hr for the same work? Yeah, you won't do that because you're a goddamned hypocrite....or maybe you've been brainwashed because you don't fact check the reams of bullshit you get from the rightwing media."

[getagrip_already]

53. Mass is actually a purple state...

We have a republican governor (one of may over the past decades), we've elected a republican senator, and many in the state house and senate are very right wing.

We have 3 big cities that are blue, but the rest of the state is not. Some areas are down right scary red.

Don't let your guard down thinking otherwise.

[Tiger8]

85. Calling MA purple feels like a misnomer for 2 reasons...

1. 2020 results
Joe Biden 65.9%
Donald Trump 32.3%

2. Governor Baker is widely considered a RINO and could never win a primary in any red state, let alone to a national office. When you think of Republican Red, you think of Ted Cruz and DeathSantis, not Governors Baker or Weld.

But I totally understand your point. Sift through the town-by-town results, and you see a few dozen towns where Trump won. Dive down deeper into those towns, and and you see they're small towns where Trump never reached 60% - and just driving thru them, you see the population is older and almost 100% white.

And your warning is spot on. Even in Somerville, where Biden won 87.7% to 10.1%, I drove down Medford Street and saw this home plastered with Trump Cultist signs. I researched the owner - he inherited the home and has been involved in dozens of lawsuits, even though he is apparently retired. But read the cases, and you quickly see that he's a scourge on society.

[getagrip_already]

113. There is a bakery in my town that dared to sell "Pride Bagels"...

They were harrassed, intimidated, became victims of social media persecution, and have lost a lot of business. In friggin northboro.

I didn't even know they were here, but we started buying from them even though we don't usually buy baked goods.

This town can be despicable. The koch's are funding astro-turf campaigns for planning board and board of selectmen and those candidates are winning through social media attacks and outright intimidation of opponents.

[Marrah_Goodman]

145. It's mostly blue.

Our R governors would not be called Rs in most other places. Heck, I don't hate Baker the way I hate most R governors.

[getagrip_already]

147. spend time outside of urban areas....

You will get a much different feel for the electorate. It is not all fuzzy blankets and happiness. I guarantee you tfg could fill an impressive number of seats in gillette stadium if he came here.

And baker is still a loathsome big business racist, he just doesn't get a lot of opportunity to prove it.

[bucolic_frolic]

56. You speak Massachusetts well

and you're right.

[FailureToCommunicate]

36. Update: "Moorish American Arm" is the armed group that stopped on the highway to refuel one...

of the two cars traveling together at 1:30 a.m.

State Police stopped to offer assistance and saw the men dressed in fatigues and alerted backup.

Some fled into the surrounding woods...

This is a developing story.

[Lasher]

59. Here's more:

Wakefield Standoff Suspects Claim To Be Part Of Group Called ‘Rise Of The Moors’

WAKEFIELD (CBS) — Interstate 95 in Wakefield was shut down by a standoff between Massachusetts State Police and a group of heavily armed men Saturday morning. The men claim to be part of a group called “The Rise of The Moors – The Moorish American Arms.”

The group claims to be American nationals but not US citizens. They have a Moroccan flag.

The standoff stems from an incident hours earlier where a trooper stopped on I-95 to help two cars pulled over in the breakdown lane. State Police said it appeared the two cars were refueling, but the trooper quickly noticed eight-to-10 people were wearing full military-style uniforms. They were armed with long rifles and pistols. The trooper asked for driver’s licenses and proper licensing for the guns but they did not provide any.

They were allegedly headed from Rhode Island to Maine with camping equipment for training.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/03/rise-of-moors-moorish-american-arms-wakefield-standoff-i95/

[colsohlibgal]

38. I Don't Recognize Them As Sane

Something is seriously wrong in their brain, lack of rational filtering.

Maybe we should wall up a big area in one of the sparsely populated States and let them shoot each other.

These types have been around for awhile and Orange Hitler galvanized them.

We are in an uneasy period and more politicians need to comprehend that, people like Mansion and Sinema in particular. Game on for the Soul of this Nation. Oh Mitch McConnell has turned pure smirking evil.

[JohnnyRingo]

80. Misfits who found a niche in society.

People who didn't get along with the majority of the civil populace driven by a need for herd mentality. The same thing that pushes people into cults.

Most aren't quite on board with the entirety of the cult at first, but are indoctrinated by the group to see things in a uniform sense.

[UpInArms]

44. More information ...

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/03/2-arrested-armed-standoff-closed-i-95-wakefield-shelter-in-place/

The standoff stems from an incident hours earlier where a trooper stopped to help two cars pulled over in the breakdown lane. State Police said it appeared the two cars were refueling but the trooper noticed eight-to-10 people in the cars were wearing full military-style uniforms. Some had long rifles, some and pistols, and some had both. The trooper asked for driver’s licenses and proper licensing for the guns but they did not have any available.

The group told police they were headed from Rhode Island to Maine for training, State Police said.

As the trooper called for backup, the group spread out into the nearby woods.


“We’re committed to a negotiation with them, having a conversation, we’re going to utilize time, time is our ally in this,” said State Police Colonel Christopher Mason.

Mason said he has seen body camera footage of the initial interactions and applauded the trooper for being patient with the group.

“The self-professed leader wants it very much known that their ideology is not anti-government. I think the investigation that follows from this interaction will provide us insight into what their motivation, what their ideology is, but as a quick down and dirty observation: their actions have had a significant impact on the motoring public particularly given that this is a holiday weekend,” said Mason.

[stopdiggin]

72. thanks. that's better information.

and (hopefully) this doesn't have to turn into a gunfight. alternatives are generally the better option.

(and, no - not a single whit of sympathy for the crack-brained politics - but deescalation, when safe to do, is the kind of policing we are advocating, right?)

[ancianita]

97. If they were black ... because there is no such thing as belaboring the obvious.

[Dial H For Hero]

48. It appears at this point that they're Moorish Sovereign Citizens.

[Scrivener7]

50. "Sovereign citizens." Such bullshit.

[Dial H For Hero]

52. The Moorish variety are, if anything, worse than your "typical" SC.

Most SC’s seem content to drive without a license, get caught doing so, and post the video of them being hauled away screaming on YouTube. These guys like to try to steal people’s homes by squatting in them. Homes that aren’t abandoned, mind you.j

[Scrivener7]

75. I just read about that a few days ago, an incident where they did arrest the

ones who did it. But the article referenced a number of other instances where the home invaders got away. Maybe we'll get lucky and some of these will be the ones they're looking for.

So much weird about this. Not least of which is the fact that they were re-fueling on the side of the road. That means they had to have been carrying some amount of gasoline. In the vehicles with them and all the weapons and ammunition.

Maybe Darwinism will take care of this.

[AllaN01Bear]

49. theyd be the first ones to say,"go back where you came from".

[Chicago1980]

51. And not a single shot fired by authorities...

A black person would have been shot dead inside the car... They were 'allowed' to run.

Psh...

[Dial H For Hero]

54. Um, at this point it appears that they're Moorish Sovereign Citizens.

They’re black.

[Jedi Guy]

87. Hm...

One wonders if those folks who were absolutely certain that they'd have been shot instantly if they were black will walk back those comments. It never fails when a story like this pops up on DU.

[Dial H For Hero]

88. Based upon past threads, such self correction seems rather unlikely for the most part.

[Jedi Guy]

89. Yeah, I don't think I'll hold my breath while I wait. N/T

[ancianita]

104. Yeah

well, they'd walk back such comments because they're still 99% right for blacks, and they're willing to concede the 1%. That doesn't constitute "walking back" any in-your-face reality of police murders of blacks. There's no "both sides do it" established by this event.

And it's not over yet, is it.

[Jedi Guy]

109. That's not the point I'm making here.

The point I'm making is that jumping to conclusions is something that should be avoided, yet it happens damn near every time there's a thread like this.

[ancianita]

122. I hear you. I get your point.

I hear you about mistakes, which I don't get bothered by, since it's conditioning that comes from damn near every thread about law enforcement and blacks being about law enforcement murdering blacks, and every sovereign citizen thread being about gun toting whites like the Amon Bundy network.

All arrested or no, this, and the ramifications of it, are not over yet.

[EX500rider]

121. "99% right"

The facts are that out of about a million people arrested a month only about 12 unarmed people are shot. Usually while violently resisting arrest.
That is a .0012% chance of being shot while being arrested unarmed. That sounds more like unfrequently to me.

[ancianita]

124. The point was being made about people walking back conclusions here.

"Walking back" doesn't happen in 99% of threads here.

But they could in reality. I get what you're saying. Now, maybe a link would ground your claim, right?

So, sure, we can wrangle about which applies here (precision or accuracy or both) and run with only the key facts of the OP, with other facts coming out down thread later. The situation is likely unfolding.

[EX500rider]

127. "Now, maybe a link would ground your claim, right?"

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/

Some 5367 fatal police shootings were reported by the Washington Post from 2015 to May 2020
The victims were unarmed in 1 in 6 (753;16%) fatal shootings.

753 victims divided by 5 years divided by 12 months gives you: 12

Number of arrests:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191261/number-of-arrests-for-all-offenses-in-the-us-since-1990/

More like 840,400 arrests per month avg lately but not all shootings would have involved a arrest so I round up to a million.

Otherwise you get 840,400/753 is .09% But since most police stops do not involve a arrest unless you have a warrant or or DUI etc the % of shootings per police interaction will be a much smaller % then that. Probably by a factor of 100 which would give you a .0009% chance of being shot while stopped by the police.

[ancianita]

128. Wow, thanks.

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Being an ex-English teacher, I re-read that, thanks. I should have refreshed my statistics.

This looks similar to your framing. Maybe not a big difference here, but it looks like it, imo, if there's no warrant or DUI, and just "probable cause" which, as reported, were more pretextual with blacks in the past few years.

[FailureToCommunicate]

60. Usually the case, but these were (are) eight or nine armed Black men in two cars in the

middle of the night on the side of the highway.

Sounds like State Police did well to defuse the situation, without a shootout.

[oldsoftie]

66. Find them & dispatch them quickly

Groups like this need to know what will REALLY happen if they persist with this BS. The "government" will freakin' KILL YOU.

[Chicago1980]

135. lol

That's what I get...

[Marrah_Goodman]

146. And yet they were all black and not one was hurt.

I think the MA state police deserve a "well done" this time

[Quakerfriend]

55. More info. about this group

An article from 2019:

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20191012/moorish-american-group-providence-police-tried-to-raid-our-temple

[underpants]

61. Excellent info. Thanks.

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the Moorish sovereign citizen movement as “a collection of independent organizations and lone individuals that emerged in the early 1990s as an offshoot of the anti-government sovereign citizens movement, which believes that individual citizens hold sovereignty over, and are independent of, the authority of federal and state governments.” Its roots are based in the Moorish Science Temple of America founded in 1913 by Noble Drew Ali.

Many of the groups hold the belief that there is a 1787 treaty between the United States and Morocco that grants them immunity from U.S. law, the center said. They frequently use the surnames Bey and El.

[FailureToCommunicate]

64. Thanks for the link. Here is an excerpt, from the Southern Poverty Law Center...

"The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the Moorish sovereign citizen movement as “a collection of independent organizations and lone individuals that emerged in the early 1990s as an offshoot of the anti-government sovereign citizens movement, which believes that individual citizens hold sovereignty over, and are independent of, the authority of federal and state governments.” Its roots are based in the Moorish Science Temple of America founded in 1913 by Noble Drew Ali.

Many of the groups hold the belief that there is a 1787 treaty between the United States and Morocco that grants them immunity from U.S. law, the center said. They frequently use the surnames Bey and El.

Moorish groups have received national attention. In Baltimore, a man accused of murder and arson argued he was exempt from state law. In Bethesda, Maryland, Moorish Nationals claimed a $6-million mansion awaiting sale as their own. Then Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel in 2011 issued a proclamation declaring a week in January as Moorish American Week. In 2017, a federal judge sentenced the “Grand Sheik” of a Moorish Temple in Chicago to 68 months in prison for scheming to defraud the Internal Revenue Service out of $3.2 million."

[Bo Zarts]

62. Now, where woud they get a confounded notion like that in their noggins?

Nevermind. TFG.

[FailureToCommunicate]

65. +1

"confounded" and "noggins"

[ashredux]

69. Playing ARMY with real guns has consequences....

A mug shot and jail….

[Scrivener7]

76. How big was the group?

I don't know why, but I always want to know about numbers. I think it gives me a false feeling of control.

[milestogo]

74. Oh I thought this was going to be about Republican congressmen.

[IronLionZion]

78. Sounds unamerican, like terrorism

"refused to comply with law enforcement officers" in enough for instant public execution even if the officers imagined the people may have a weapon...if black. But these "heavily-armed men" are probably white so there will be excuses like economic anxiety and mental illness.

[Dial H For Hero]

81. These "heavily-armed men" are black.

[IronLionZion]

100. Interesting. I'm not familiar with this group so I googled

and found this article with a video of one of them describing what they're doing

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/crime/2021/07/03/standoff-massachusetts-police-i-95-rt-128-wakefield-reading-traveling-rhode-island-to-maine/7851457002/

[Dial H For Hero]

82. Update: 9 now in custody.

[underpants]

91. Good. Only 1 Moor left.

[Dial H For Hero]

96. Boooooo.

[underpants]

116. 👇

See post #101

[Journeyman]

101. Touche . . .

I love a good pun and that was a beaut.

[underpants]

114. 😁

Thank you.

[FailureToCommunicate]

86. Shelter in place lifted. All in custody, after long negotiations in nearby neighborhood...

Last edited Sat Jul 3, 2021, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

"Rise of the Moors" is reportedly the name of this particular group.

Selfie video by one of the members ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD...here:

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/crime/2021/07/03/standoff-massachusetts-police-i-95-rt-128-wakefield-reading-traveling-rhode-island-to-maine/7851457002/



edited to adjust number of suspects
edited again to note that the video has become "unavailable"

[underpants]

92. Oh I thought there were 10 and there was 1 Moor left

[George II]

99. They've all been arrested. MA has very strong gun laws - they're in deep trouble.

[UpInArms]

103. Update: All suspects in custody after armed standoff with police shuts down part of I-95 in Mass.

https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/03/armed-standoff-with-police-shuts-down-part-of-i-95/

Eleven men were clad in military-style gear with long guns and pistols, Mass State Police Col. Christopher Mason said. He added that they were headed to Maine from Rhode Island for “training.”

The men refused to put down their weapons or comply with authorities’ orders, claiming to be from a group “that does not recognize our laws,” police said. They took off into a wooded area, where two men were initially arrested.

The remaining men were taken into custody around 10:30 a.m.

… snip …

“I think the investigation that follows from this interaction will provide us more insight into what their motivation, what their ideology is,” Mason said.

Mason said he had no knowledge of the group, but it was not unusual for the state police to encounter people who have “sovereign citizen ideology,” although he did not know if the people involved in the Wakefield standoff was a part of that.

[ancianita]

115. Going to Maine, eh. I wonder if this is connected to what I read 2 wks ago about Maine being used

as a location to start a white ethnostate.

Three white extremists' names come up: Kyle Fitzsimmons arrested for Jan 6; Tom Kawczynski (new resident of Maine) and Chris Pohlhaus, both of whom want to start a white community to grow into a white ethnostate.

A national news site reported that a neo-Nazi and his followers on a far-right social media network are planning to relocate to Maine in hopes of establishing an all-white ethnostate.

While former Marine Chris Pohlhaus and his followers on the far-right social media network Telegram might never make the move, it wouldn’t be the first time Maine has held an appeal for a group espousing white supremacy.

VICE News obtained private chat logs on the social media network showing Pohlhaus and his followers discussing a move to areas north or east of Bangor, including Aroostook County. They exchanged real estate listings, asked about details on tax liens and suggested forming a Nazi homeowners’ association. Pohlhaus and his followers see Maine as a desirable place because of loose gun laws and the state’s highest-in-the-nation percentage of white residents.


Kawczynski told the BDN he moved to New Hampshire, where he lived before moving to Maine, because “cultural and political divides … put danger to people’s quality of life” in Pennsylvania, where he lived previously and ran for office. He said he wanted to preserve northern New England’s white majority.

[FailureToCommunicate]

132. While up in Maine they could visit with Tucker Carlson, but I doubt he would want this bunch...

dropping by his summer TV studio, or home.

[ancianita]

133. Heh heh, yeah. Well Fitzsimmons is in custody, Pohlhaus the Nazi lives in Texas, the other guy

is meh. But they're being surveilled wherever they are these days. This preoccupation with preserving their imagined superior white essentialism is so... I can't even

[Marrah_Goodman]

137. I know New Hampshire deals with a lot of "soviergn citizen" BS.

I was thinking they were probably headed there.

[SpankMe]

106. Give them what they want, I say

If they won't recognize the law, then why should the law recognize them? If any of them were to fall victim to some sort of crime, for example, then the perpetrator of that crime should be immune from prosecution. Goose v. Gander and such.

On edit: Come to think of it, this sovereign citizen bullshit has a lot in common with many facets of Sharia law. I wonder if these goose-stepping assholes know this?

[malthaussen]

108. Who's got the M-72?

I'll show you "law."

-- Mal

[monkeyman1]

141. most people won't know what the hell that is ?

[malthaussen]

143. And that's what Google is for.

Think of it as an attempt to educate the masses.

-- Mal

[sarisataka]

118. Lots of conclusions were jumped to, again

Seems many were wrong, again.

[oldsoftie]

119. And will quickly justify it too.

[MenloParque]

120. God damn Trumpers!!

This is all we need. Eventuality these White supremacists will be so brazen and bold that they will not recognize any gun laws at all!!! God help rid this country of these god damn scum!!!

[EX500rider]

123. I doubt these African American Moorish Sovereign Citizens are big Trump fans. nt

[sarisataka]

125. Let me hazard a guess

You read the headline and none of the follow up information that has come out afterwards. Am I right?

[MenloParque]

130. You are right!!

Forgive me, woke up with a mean alcohol and opiate hangover!

[sarisataka]

131. That is a rough wake up

But you were willing to fess up- Respect

Hair of the dog-

[monkeyman1]

142. already got over 600+ in the can & their turning on TFG .. revenge is hell !

[DemocraticPatriot]

134. SWAT them.

They are armed and dangerous. They should be taken out.

[Marrah_Goodman]

136. Yikes, WTF????

[apnu]

138. The 'sovereign citizen' thing is a disease.

There is a silver lining in all this. Black people were treated like white people and were taken in peacefully. So that’s good news.

[Marrah_Goodman]

140. Yes

I am proud of the Mass Staties for not letting this turn into a bloodbath.

[FailureToCommunicate]

148. Update: Defendants Involved In Massachusetts Standoff In Court

Tuesday:

"Some of the 11 people charged in connection with an armed standoff along a Massachusetts highway last weekend refused to cooperate with court authorities during their arraignments Tuesday.

The first to appear, Quinn Cumberlander, 40, of Pawtucket, told the judge in a courtroom with a heavy security presence he was a “foreign national” who cannot face criminal charges, and said he did not want a defense attorney.

Cumberlander invoked his Second Amendment right to bear arms, said the case should be heard in federal court, and said he meant no harm."


more here at link:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/07/06/wakefield-interstate-95-standoff-defendants-in-court?fbclid=IwAR2DkgdXDkxdEcLCWkMKGGUUYAG6xrVHzlw99lLul_Y9UuIMQniaWpME0c0