At least 150 people fatally shot in more than 400 shootings over the Fourth of July weekend

[groundloop]

Source: CNN

At least 150 people were killed by gun violence in more than 400 shootings across the country during the Fourth of July weekend as major cities nationwide confront a surge in violent crime, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive.

The data, which includes the number of shooting incidents and gun violence victims nationally over a 72-hour period from Friday through Sunday, is still evolving and will be updated.

In New York, where gun violence has been rising to levels not seen in years, there were 26 victims from 21 shootings from Friday to Sunday, a decrease from the same period last year when 30 people were shot in 25 shootings, the New York Police Department said.

On July 4, the city experienced 12 shooting incidents that involved 13 victims, an increase from last year when there were eight shootings and eight victims, according to the NYPD.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/us/us-shootings-july-fourth-weekend/index.html

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The story goes on to detail mass shootings that happened all over the country. This is just fucking crazy, and sadly has become the new normal.

[TreasonousBastard]

1. When does it get so bad we tell the gun nuts to shove the 2nd Amendment up their asses.

[SharonClark]

2. Do you think the people doing the shooting

in NYC and Chicago care about the 2nd Amendment? I would guess that most of them are criminals or too ignorant of the law to know about any amendments.

[TreasonousBastard]

5. No. The shooters are criminals and will do what they do regardless of the laws. But...

back in the old west they knew how bad it could get and many frontier towns were pretty strict about parking your artillery with the local marshal.

Now, we're stupidly allowing more and more people to walk around armed and ready for battle. Most of them won't actually shoot, but it's just nuts to be making that the norm.

[Elessar Zappa]

34. If guns weren't easily available,

there would be less shootings. Don’t give me those NRA talking points.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

7. I wonder that too.

They need to be made to shove it sooner or later..and will not be done through bipartisanship with the fascists.

[Dial H For Hero]

12. Given that repeal of the 2nd Amendment is, in practical terms, impossible....what, then?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

14. I guess we will

Have to fight back and get over the squeamishness and love is for everyone/ kumbaya mentality.

If these fascists push too far.

You cannot reason with narcissists psychopaths or a
Especially fascist ones.

[Dial H For Hero]

16. That's a bit vague. What actions are you advocating?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

19. I dunno it depends on how bad thier

Attacks on people become.

If they take towns hostage and start killing people than what?

That's what Nazis did.

I hope they just remain stupid loudmouth idiots in costumes.

[Dial H For Hero]

23. I'm not sure exactly how we went from a bunch of random shootings to groups taking towns hostage and

executing people, but all right...we'll go with that.

Scenario: A couple of hundred right-wing lunatics show up in Podunk, California, and announce that they're in charge. Local law enforcemaent tries to intervene, and in the ensuing gun battle all of the police are killed, along with a bunch of civililans and a couple dozen of the lunatics. Vowing revenge, they begin executing the people in the town one by one.

But there's a hitch in their fiendish plan: Because of things such as the internet and cell phones, news of what's happening is being livestreamed across the globe. Within a handful of minutes, a state of emergency is declared. Within hours, SWAT teams in armored vechicles are descending upon the hapless lunatics. By day's end, all of them have either been killed, greviously wounded, or have surrendered.

That's my take. What do you think would happen?

[tonekat]

30. After the 2014 Stand off with the Bundys

Which was BundyBillies 1, LEO 0, I'm not sure.

[Dial H For Hero]

35. The other poster proposed a scenario in which towns are being taken over and the residents

are being executed. The Bundy standoff isn’t remotely in the the same league. This hypothetical situation would result in a massive, overwhelming response.

[PSPS]

17. No need to repeal. Just legally interpret it instead of stay with its present misinterpretation.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/second-amendment-text-context/555101/

Politics Changed the Reading of the Second Amendment—and Can Change It Again
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/politics-changed-the-reading-of-the-second-amendmentand-can-change-it-again

[Dial H For Hero]

20. The Supreme Court will be hearing a major gun rights case this Fall. It certainly won't result

in more restrictions, given the current makeup of the Court. If anything, they'll likely expand gun rights further.

Things may well be different further in the future, but for now, the likelihood of significant restrictions getting past the SC seems quite small.

[PSPS]

22. I agree. Another reason to expand and balance the court.

[Dial H For Hero]

24. That seems quite unlikely, ss far as I can tell.

[Girard442]

3. Time to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

SCOTUS reinterpreted it to be a gift to the crazies. It has to go.

[ZZenith]

9. Good luck with that.

[Dial H For Hero]

13. 2/3rds of the House. 2/3rds of the Senate. 3/4ths of the states. No way, no how.

[Hekate]

4. We used to measure holiday weekend carnage by traffic deaths, before seatbelt laws...

This is nuts.

[riversedge]

6. just too damn many guns laying around waiting for folks to pick them up.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. The insurrection remains inspiration for those seeking to act out their anger, hatred, or aggression

and served as no deterrent to erratic behavior

[Jedi Guy]

40. You really think the carnage in places like Chicago is inspired by or because of 1/6?

Uh, okay...

[Blue Owl]

10. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

This country fuckin’ RULES!!!1!

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Odd that they missed us here in Philly

20 shot with 5 fatalities overnight at a large 4th of July bbq also celebrating a 1 year anniversary of a beloved small business in the neighborhood - https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-cookout-shooting-fourth-july-premiere-bande/

The fuss was that investigators ran out of markers for shell casings and fragments and had to use hand-made ones (amounting to 105+ locations around the grounds and in the vicinity of the shots).

[LudwigPastorius]

15. "At least 150 people fatally shot in more than 400 shootings over the Fourth of July weekend"

'Murica

...where freedom tastes like hot lead.

[Escurumbele]

18. Why is this suddenly happening?

There is nothing the Biden administration has done to create a more violent environment, so why is this violence suddenly rampant, is it the inheritance that the buffoon left behind?

[YMB]

21. This always happens this time of the year

Hotter weather brings more people outside. Combine that with lockdown fatigue and you have a little larger powderkeg waiting to go off.

[madville]

26. It's actually way down the last 30 or so years

Gun violence today is about 30% of what it was in 1990.

[Calista241]

25. There were 4x as many killings in 1990 versus today.

So I'd guess that our tolerance for murder is pretty high.

[AndyS]

27. Yes, there were more killings in 1990 but

beginning in 2014 the murder rate began an alarming increase that has continued ever since. Like a 20% increase in the rate of people per 100,000. Please note the increase in RATE, not pure numbers. Should this increase in rate continue it will only be a few more years before the current N/100,00 matches or exceeds that of 1990.

Ironically the other crimes; robbery, sexual assault etc remain at all time lows. Only murder, mostly with guns, is suddenly growing.

[former9thward]

37. 4x as many killings where?

There were 831 killings in Chicago (I am from there so that is why I am using it) in 1990. This year for the first six months, 336, or around 672 for the year.

http://redlineproject.org/homicidesbyyear.php

23,440 murders in U.S. 1990

16,425 murders in U.S. 2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/

[twodogsbarking]

38. Thank you for accurate information.

Not everyone understands percentages.

[myohmy2]

29. when...

...are we going to finally wake up and abolish the 2nd Amendment and meaningfully regulate firearms?

"...and sadly has become the new normal."

...it's now the 'new normal' because the 'old normal' wasn't working...

...the first and foremost purpose of government is to make us safe...do you feel safe?

...were a 150 safe?

...the 2nd Amendment is safe, how about you...

[Dial H For Hero]

36. When? Not for the foreseeable future.

[live love laugh]

31. So now that guns have poured into cities like crack we get aggregate stats?

[BumRushDaShow]

33. The crack influx is a good analogy

Guns have poured into the cities like crack did in the '90s, and are often used to "settle (social media) scores" and/or are part of drug-related turf battles. Many of them are even found to be ghost guns assembled from kits and thus are without serial numbers, and are untraceable. I know here in Philly, they have noted that as soon as they pull hundreds of illegal guns off the streets, they are quickly replaced.

[twodogsbarking]

32. Trolls are out.

I'll skip commenting.

[Johnny2X2X]

39. This is down from 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/07/gun-violence-shootings-fourth-of-july-weekend-racism-segregation

[maxsolomon]

41. Hot weather, testosterone, and a fresh crop of young men

released from Covid Lockdowns.

For many teenage boys, this is their first summer with a Semi-Automatic Pistol, and they're full of piss and vinegar, and any coping skills they once had have been degraded by social isolation.

Maybe these incidents would have been simple fistfights years ago, but the nation is absolutely saturated in firearms now.

When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.