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Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:01 PM Jul 2021

Two arrested Americans claim they were just 'translators' in the assassination plot, a Haitian judge

Source: New York Times

Two arrested Americans claim they were just ‘translators’ in the assassination plot, a Haitian judge says.

By Catherine Porter and Frances Robles
July 9, 2021, 4:46 a.m. ET

Two Americans arrested in connection with the assassination of President Jovenel Moïse of Haiti this week said that they were not in the room when he was killed and that they had worked only as translators for the hit squad, a Haitian judge said on Friday.

Clément Noël, a judge who is involved with the investigation and who interviewed both men soon after their arrest, said that neither was injured in the assault.

One of the Americans was identified as James J. Solages, a U.S. citizen who lived in South Florida and previously worked as a security guard at the Canadian Embassy in Haiti. The other was identified as Joseph Vincent, 55.

Judge Noël, speaking by telephone, said that he could not provide details on the wider plot or a possible motive, but said the two Americans maintained that the plot had been planned intensively for a month.

. . .

“They were all wearing the same boots,” said Justice Dieudonné.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/world/americas/two-arrested-americans-claim-they-were-just-translators-in-the-assassination-plot-a-haitian-judge-says.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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Two arrested Americans claim they were just 'translators' in the assassination plot, a Haitian judge (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2021 OP
Ummm why would they need translators? Who was running the show? Dream Girl Jul 2021 #1
Well SoCalNative Jul 2021 #3
Got it, I missed that part. Are they Columbia's American US citizens? Living in Florida. WTF? Dream Girl Jul 2021 #5
No, the translators were supposedly SoCalNative Jul 2021 #8
Seems that they were soldiers of torture, guns for hire. Dream Girl Jul 2021 #9
Soldiers of Misfortune. H2O Man Jul 2021 #26
I said to my partner when the news broke that this had the Erik Prince stench all over it Pachamama Jul 2021 #6
Alleged killers of Haiti president in country for three months, say authorities muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #2
The Colombian mercenary Grosso looks much as one might expect: Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #11
More regarding James J Solages, from Ft. Lauderdale: Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #4
So he has his little charity grift going as a nice sideline. Dream Girl Jul 2021 #10
So, this SoCalNative Jul 2021 #12
Yeah, I'm sure Dopers_Greed Jul 2021 #7
... Aristus Jul 2021 #13
Right. They need Americans to translate back and forth between French-Creole and Spanish DFW Jul 2021 #14
More likely to send transcripts to some Am-English speaking contacts. erronis Jul 2021 #31
In that case, I am insulted DFW Jul 2021 #32
I spent a little time with UN translators - multinationals and probably well vetted. erronis Jul 2021 #33
Who Was Behind the Killing of Haiti's President? Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #15
An Assassination, a Manhunt, and Many Potential Masterminds in Haiti Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #16
Haiti president Jovenel Moise was assassinated by hit squad from Colombia and the US, police say Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #17
Where was the President's security? padah513 Jul 2021 #18
they tell that to the firing squad,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2021 #19
Motive is the big question Roc2020 Jul 2021 #20
I read there was a dispute bout whether his term of office had expired in Febuary Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #25
The getaway driver is also part of the bank robbery. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #21
Getaway car drivers of bank robbery gangs Rocknation Jul 2021 #22
US, Colombia probe links to Haitian president's killing after arrests Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #23
Mystery swirls around Haiti leader's murder Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #24
So they didn't kill him; they merely made it easier for the others to do so. Harker Jul 2021 #27
that is accessory to murder last I checked Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Jul 2021 #29
Why would a translator be necessary, in Haiti? Historic NY Jul 2021 #30
Maybe it was his job to keep communication clear between the Colombian and Haitian assassins. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2021 #34
And why would they be Americans? Rocknation Jul 2021 #35

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
8. No, the translators were supposedly
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jul 2021

Haitian-American (at least one of them).

There's also this from another thread:

"Colombia’s government said that at least six of the 17 suspects involved in the brazen assassination of Haiti’s president, Jovenel Moïse, were retired members of that country’s armed forces."

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
6. I said to my partner when the news broke that this had the Erik Prince stench all over it
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:19 PM
Jul 2021

Stay tuned…

I’m willing to bet that our hunches are right

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
2. Alleged killers of Haiti president in country for three months, say authorities
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:08 PM
Jul 2021
Key members of the hit squad allegedly behind the assassination of Haiti’s president Jovenel Moïse had been in the country for about three months, apparently preparing their attack, with others joining from the Dominican Republic last month, according to Haitian judicial authorities investigating the assassination.

As new details emerged about the murder of Moïse, 53, in his private residence in Pétion-Ville in the hills above the capital, Port-au-Prince, it emerged the alleged assassins – including two joint US-Haitian nationals resident in Florida, and about two dozen Colombians – had assembled a cache of weapons, money, mobile phones and other equipment, including rental cars.
...
On Friday, the Colombian newspaper El Tiempo identified one of the arrested Colombians as Manuel Antonio Grosso Guarín, a former member of the army’s elite urban counter-terrorism special forces group. El Tiempo, which said it had been given access to a confidential report provided to Haitian authorities, said the former special forces operative had flown into the Dominican resort town of Punta Cana on the afternoon of 4 June, with at least three other former members of the Colombia armed forces, before crossing by land into Haiti two days later.
...
Much less is known about the second man, Vincent Joseph, save that he is based in Florida like Solages.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/jovenel-moise-alleged-hit-squad-members-had-been-in-haiti-for-three-months

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
11. The Colombian mercenary Grosso looks much as one might expect:
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:32 PM
Jul 2021










It would seem they spent a lot of time swaggering, and trying to look tough.

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
4. More regarding James J Solages, from Ft. Lauderdale:
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jul 2021
One of the Americans was identified as James J. Solages, a U.S. citizen who lived in South Florida and previously worked as a security guard at the Canadian Embassy in Haiti. The other was identified as Joseph Vincent, 55.

. . .

Mr. Solages, 35, is a native of Jacmel, a city in southern Haiti, and lived in Broward County, the Florida county that includes Fort Lauderdale. He was the president of a small charity organization that said it focused on giving grants to women in his home city. But federal tax records show that he claimed to work 60 hours a week on an organization that in 2019 took in just over $11,000.

The organization, Jacmel First, says that its primary objective is reducing poverty and promoting education and better health systems in Haiti. His biography on his website said that he was a consultant, building engineer and “certified diplomatic agent.”

He also claimed to be chief commander of the bodyguards for the Canadian Embassy in Haiti. A Canadian government official said that Mr. Solages was briefly a reserve officer for a security company that had a contract to protect the embassy in 2010.

By the end of Thursday, as photographs of Mr. Solages in custody in Haiti circulated online, the charity group’s website had been taken down. So was a Facebook page that showed Mr. Solages in sharp suits.








James J. Solages
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
10. So he has his little charity grift going as a nice sideline.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

He looks like he’d care a lot about “women in poverty”

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
12. So, this
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jul 2021

A Canadian government official said that Mr. Solages was briefly a reserve officer for a security company that had a contract to protect the embassy in 2010.

Sounds like Erik Prince's hands are all over this.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
7. Yeah, I'm sure
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jul 2021

"I was just the coffee boy for the assassins!"

"It was a perfect assassination! I did nothing wrong!"

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
13. ...
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:39 PM
Jul 2021
"Quoi?......Oui……"

"Yes, he says "Kill the bastard". Thank you for using our interpretation services. This encounter has been recorded for quality assurance. If you need our services again in the future, please don't hesitate to contact us. Thank you, and enjoy the rest of the day."

DFW

(54,354 posts)
32. In that case, I am insulted
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 06:59 PM
Jul 2021

I was once in Cuba and found myself in a situation where I was translating back and forth between Russian and Spanish, and no one ever asked ME for a transcript. But then again, I wasn‘t there to kill anyone (invited by the Cuban government), and I doubt it was expected I should be having too much contact with Soviet citizens while I was thrre.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
33. I spent a little time with UN translators - multinationals and probably well vetted.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:18 PM
Jul 2021

Still they have access to some incredible details that might be of significant interest to various parties.

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
15. Who Was Behind the Killing of Haiti's President?
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jul 2021

CARIBBEAN
/9 JUL 2021
BY PARKER ASMANN

Two days on from the nighttime assassination of Haiti President Jovenel Moïse in Port-au-Prince, competing theories have failed to provide any real motive for the high-profile hit.

A commando of what Haitian Police Chief Léon Charles called well-armed “mercenaries” broke into the president’s residence early July 7 and shot him 12 times, killing him and seriously wounding First Lady Martine Moïse. She survived and is in critical but stable condition after being transferred to a hospital in Florida, according to the Miami Herald.

On July 8, the police chief said during a press conference that authorities have so far identified at least 28 suspects in the attack: 26 Colombians - six of them retired soldiers - and two Haitian-Americans. The government identified one of the Haitian-Americans as James Solages, a Florida entrepreneur who formerly worked as the "chief commander of bodyguards" at the Canadian Embassy in Haiti, according to the website of a non-governmental organization he was part of.

. . .

InSight Crime Analysis
There is one certainty about the raid that killed the Haitian president: it was a well-organized, well-financed tactical operation strategically carried out by individuals outfitted with sophisticated, high-powered weapons.

The suspected killers were pretending to be members of the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), shouting that the attack was a “DEA operation." The Haitian Embassy in the United States called the murder a “well-coordinated attack by a highly trained and heavily armed gang.”

There is precedent for so-called mercenary activity in Haiti’s recent history. In February 2019, Haitian police arrested a team of foreign mercenaries armed with assault rifles at a police checkpoint. Their clandestine mission reportedly involved “escorting the presidential aide, Fritz Jean-Louis, to the Haitian central bank, where he’d electronically transfer $80 million from a government oil fund [PetroCaribe] to a second account controlled solely” by President Moïse, according to The Intercept.

More:
https://insightcrime.org/news/who-behind-killing-haiti-president/

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
16. An Assassination, a Manhunt, and Many Potential Masterminds in Haiti
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 12:56 PM
Jul 2021

4 MINS AGO

By News and Guts

The Wednesday assassination of Haitian president Jovenel Moïse has triggered a manhunt with international implications that has thus far captured two Americans and at least 15 former members of Colombia’s army. Violence has broken out in Port-au-Prince, the nation’s capital, as citizens reckon with the brutal home invasion that also sent Moïse’s widow to the hospital with gunshot wounds.




“Political intrigue, gang violence, general lawlessness, a public health crisis driven by the pandemic and difficulties delivering essential international aid have conspired to create the worst crisis in Haiti in years,” reports The New York Times.

On Thursday, authorities blocked roads and engaged in a firefight with “commandos” suspected of carrying out the assassination. The Associated Press describes the chaotic details:

In Port-au-Prince, witnesses said a crowd discovered two suspects hiding in bushes, and some people grabbed the men by their shirts and pants, pushed them and occasionally slapped them. An Associated Press journalist saw officers put the pair in the back of a pickup and drive away as the crowd ran after them to a police station.

“They killed the president! Give them to us! We’re going to burn them,” people chanted outside Thursday.

The crowd later set fire to several abandoned cars riddled with bullet holes that they believed belonged to the suspects. The cars didn’t have license plates, and inside one was an empty box of bullets and some water.

More:
https://www.newsandguts.com/an-assassination-a-manhunt-and-many-potential-masterminds-in-haiti/

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
17. Haiti president Jovenel Moise was assassinated by hit squad from Colombia and the US, police say
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jul 2021

Haiti president Jovenel Moise was assassinated by hit squad from Colombia and the US, police say
Jovenel Moise was reportedly assassinated by a heavily armed hit squad of 26 Colombians and two Haitian Americans



People cheer as a police car drives past the station where the men accused of being involved in
the assassination of President Jovenel Moise are being held (Photo: Getty)

By Zaina Alibhai

. . .

Eleven of the suspects were arrested after breaking into the Taiwanese embassy in Port-au-Prince, near to the residence where Mr Moise was killed, Taiwan’s foreign ministry said.

The US State Department said it was aware of the reports of the arrest but could not confirm if any US citizens were detained.

The Colombian government said the Colombians involved in the assassination were retired members of its military but did not release their identities.



. . .

The president’s daughter hid in her brother’s bedroom during the attack, and a maid and another worker were tied up by the attackers.

More:
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/haiti-president-jovenel-moise-assassinated-hit-squad-colombia-us-1094640?ITO=newsnow

padah513

(2,500 posts)
18. Where was the President's security?
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jul 2021

Anybody knows or can point me to the answer? Maybe I'm overlooking it.

Roc2020

(1,615 posts)
20. Motive is the big question
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:25 PM
Jul 2021

This was high level multi-national and internationally planned. Why was he killed?

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
25. I read there was a dispute bout whether his term of office had expired in Febuary
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jul 2021

and he was refusing to leave office. Of course a president whose term has ended and him denying it can only happen in a third-world country, right?

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
21. The getaway driver is also part of the bank robbery.
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:27 PM
Jul 2021

The getaway driver is also part of the bank robbery.

Rocknation

(44,576 posts)
22. Getaway car drivers of bank robbery gangs
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:49 PM
Jul 2021

don't get charged or punished less even if all they do is wait outside with motor running.


rocktivity

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
23. US, Colombia probe links to Haitian president's killing after arrests
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:50 PM
Jul 2021

09 July 2021 - 19:26
BY REUTERS



Image: Valerie Baeriswyl/Reuters

Police and intelligence agencies in the United States and Colombia are investigating links to the assassination of Haitian President Jovenel Moise, after arrests of their nationals by Haitian authorities.

. . .

Police in Haiti said the assassination was carried out by a squad of 26 Colombian and 2 Haitian-American mercenaries. The two Haitian Americans were identified as James Solages, 35, and Joseph Vincent, 55, both from Florida.

Seventeen of the men were captured after a gun battle with Haitian authorities in Petionville, a hillside suburb of the capital Port-au-Prince, while three were killed and eight are still at large, according to Haitian police.

Authorities are still hunting for the masterminds behind the operation, they said.

Two U.S. law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss an active investigation, said that agencies were looking into U.S. connections to the killing , but declined to comment specifically on the two suspects.

The sources said U.S. agencies were not assisting in the investigation in Haiti because Haitian officials had not requested their help.

Haitian officials have not given a motive for Moise's killing or explained how the assassins got past his security detail. He had faced mass protests against his rule since taking office in 2017 - first over corruption allegations and his management of the economy, then over his increasing grip on power.

Moise himself had talked of dark forces at play behind the unrest: fellow politicians and corrupt oligarchs who felt his attempts to clean up government contracts and to reform Haitian politics were against their interests.

More:
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/2021-07-09-us-colombia-probe-links-to-haitian-presidents-killing-after-arrests/

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
24. Mystery swirls around Haiti leader's murder
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 03:08 PM
Jul 2021

By AFP Published July 9, 2021



A crowd gathered outside the Petionville police station wehre suspects in the assassination of the Haitian president are being held - Copyright AFP Peter Louis GUM

Robenson Geffrard with Daxia Rojas in Washington and Amelie Baron in Paris

A 28-member hit squad made up of Colombians and Americans murdered President Jovenel Moise, Haitian police say, but little is known about who masterminded the assassination and their motives as the investigation pressed on Friday.

. . .

“The president of the Republic, Jovenel Moise, was assassinated by his security agents,” former Haitian senator Steven Benoit said on Magik9 radio Friday.
“It is not Colombians who killed him. They were contracted by the Haitian state.”

– Political chaos –

The attack has further destabilized the poorest country in the Americas, plagued by insecurity.

Two men are now vying to lead the country of 11 million people, more than half of whom are under age 20. There is no working parliament now.

One of Moise’s last acts as president was to appoint on Monday a new prime minister, Ariel Henry. He had not taken office when Moise was killed.

Several hours after the assassination, Henry’s predecessor, interim premier Claude Joseph, declared a national “state of siege” for fifteen days and said he was now in charge.

While the opposition has accused Joseph of power-grabbing, the United Nations envoy to Haiti, Helen La Lime, has said he had authority because Henry had not been sworn in.

The country was already in the midst of in an institutional crisis: Moise had not organized an election since he came to power in early 2017 and as the country has had no parliament since January 2020, Moise had been ruling by decree.

Read more: https://www.digitaljournal.com/world/mystery-swirls-around-haiti-leaders-murder/article#ixzz709IgtvmM

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
30. Why would a translator be necessary, in Haiti?
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 04:26 PM
Jul 2021

Mr. Solages who had yelled that the assailants were agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency over a loudspeaker at the start of the assault.

They aren't going to like justice in Haiti. The US should not offer them any assistance that could be construed as accepting hit squads.

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