New poll shows Nina Turner's lead shrinking in Ohio special election

[George II]

Source: Politico

By ALLY MUTNICK

07/12/2021 12:01 PM EDT

Nina Turner opened an early lead in this summer’s hotly contested Ohio special election — but the progressive heavyweight might not be running away with it.

A new internal poll by her top competitor, Cuyahoga County Democratic Chair Shontel Brown, suggests the Democratic primary race has tightened. In the survey, conducted in early July, Turner led with 43 percent, followed by Brown with 36 percent.

That 7-point gap is a much closer spread than earlier polling from both candidates. An April survey from Brown's campaign found her trailing Turner by 32 points, 42 percent to 10 percent. And Turner’s late May poll showed her with 50 percent of the vote, up 35 points over Brown.

But the election has been ramping up ahead of the Aug. 3 primary, as the candidates and their allies launch competing TV ads and endorsements. Both women are vying to replace Marcia Fudge, who left the deep-blue northeast Ohio seat to join the Biden administration.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/new-poll-shows-nina-turners-lead-shrinking-in-ohio-special-election-499269?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Note from the article: "The race has drawn outsized national interest...."

[hlthe2b]

1. Thanks, George! Best news this am...

Hopefully, this wakens some eyes (and checkbooks) for Brown.

[PortTack]

2. Indeed it is..go to the real DEM Shontel!

[Trueblue1968]

20. LOSE Neener Lose !!!!! SHE LIED ABOUT HILLARY and she called President Biden "SHIT"

i don't call her a Democrat.

[DemocracyWins]

3. Reminds me of how Yang lead in the NY mayoral race for a little bit

then the lead began to shrink and then it disappeared, same thing is going to happen here. Nina was running on name recognition and now its fading.

[hlthe2b]

4. Name recognition and lack of understanding of who she is and what she represents.

The more Dems hear about her attempts to sabotage the Democratic Party, her disgusting comments toward Biden, and all the rest, I think that lead will disappear.

[Ocelot II]

5. Good.

[NewDayOranges]

6. I really don't care for Nina Turner...

So, this is GOOD news AFAIAC...

But, let the best candidate WIN!

[EYESORE 9001]

7. I was astounded to find out Nina Turner led at any point in this race

It’s good to see that Shontel Brown is closing the gap.

[Mad_Mongol]

15. The power of name recognition

Why do you think the righties *want* to appear on TV whether its good coverage or bad?

For most people, the positions aren't remembered as much as the popular names.

[PatSeg]

26. I was surprised as well

I thought most Democrats knew enough about her that her chances would be pretty slim.

[SamsDrink]

8. So you love AOC

But hate Nina Turner. Policy wise, they hold the same views.

[BradAllison]

9. LOL

This a joke, right?

We know George loves to talk about AOC. That's about it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

11. AOC's endorsement flopped in the New York Mayor's race

Hopefully this endorsement will flopped in this race. Nina is not really a democrat. She campaigned for and voted for Jill Stein and attacked Joe Biden

Link to tweet

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. "flopped" is way too harsh a description

Wiley had been running way back in the field, behind other candidates deemed "progressive". She ended up the next to last person eliminated under the ranked voting system used, just barely being edged out by the woman who ultimately came in second, who then very narrowly lost to the ultimate winner in the final tally.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

24. I disagree

Link to tweet

[dsc]

31. Objectively she didn't lose by a landslide

In a race with over 10 candidates she finished 2nd in initial preference 9 pts out of first, 1.7 out of 3rd. As stated above she was the 3rd candidate remaining and that was a very narrow margin. That isn't a landslide by any reasonable measure.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. AOC influence in question after Eric Adams defeats her picks for NYC mayor

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I do not care about the endorsement of AOC. I am not only one who think that the NY mayor's race has diminished the value (if there was any value) of an endorsement by AOC

Link to tweet

The victory by Eric Adams, a former police captain, in New York City's Democratic primary for mayor could be an indicator that the congresswoman’s sway – in her own city – is exaggerated. Fox News reached out to Ocasio-Cortez's office about whether the results of the mayoral race could impact any future Senate plans but they did not immediately respond.

In the first round of voting in the primary, Ocasio-Cortez endorsed progressive candidate Maya Wiley and ranked Scott Stringer as her second choice. Neither candidate even advanced to the final round, where Adams faced off against Kathryn Garcia in a close contest.

While Ocasio-Cortez remains wildly popular in her district, the mayoral race indicates that her influence may not extend far beyond that. Her congressional district is located in areas of the Bronx and Queens. According to a map of unofficial results from the first round of voting published by Gothamist, the Bronx overwhelmingly supported Adams, and while Wiley fared better in Queens her support was largely limited to the western part of the borough while the rest was mainly split among Adams, Garcia and Andrew Yang.

It remains to be seen whether the failure to draw voters to her progressive cause in her own boroughs – let alone New York City as a whole – could impact Ocasio-Cortez's decision on where her career could take her next.

We will see what happens in the OH 11. I trust and would value the endorsement of Hillary, Clyburn, the CBC and Marcia Fudge's mon over the endorsement of AOC that then I again I was at the 2016 National Convention and saw Turner's blowup at not being allowed to speak

[dsc]

44. that is a misleading read to say the least

Wiley clearly improved greatly post AOC endorsement. She not only finished 2nd in the first round but narrowly missed going to that final round. And Stringer got accused of sexual harassment after the AOC endorsement. Yes Adams won. But he didn't win anything like a landslide which was the original contention. I also think it is exceptionally hard to say the AOC endorsement wasn't helpful.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

45. I disagree

You are welcome to ignore the fact presented but I find the fact presented to be persuasive

[Budi]

50. K & R Appreciate the post!

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Wait! AOC has a PAC that's funded by mostly business and RW types too?

.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215615666

.

[progressoid]

21. OMG she took $1250!!

Out of over $3 million in donations, why that's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of her donations! Shocking. Just shocking.



Imagine people would be angry if Shontel Brown took money from Republicans. Oh, wait, she did.

Republicans. Jimmy and Dee Haslam, owners of the Cleveland Browns, gave $5,800 each. Richard K. Smucker, chairman of The J.M. Smucker Co. in Orrville, gave $2,900. Welty President and CEO Donzell Taylor, the ex-husband of Republican former Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor, gave Brown $2,900.

[George II]

22. She DEMANDED that all the other 10-12 candidates take her "pledge", and now she broke....

....her own pledge herself. It's the principle behind it, not the amount. As the saying goes, "good for thee, not for me", right?

None of those republican contributors to Brown's campaign are corporate lobbyists, are they? PLUS, they're all from OH-11, not outside the district OR the state of Ohio.

There's nothing wrong with ANY Democratic candidates taking money from republicans, the more the merrier.

[progressoid]

27. Ha! That's good.

So as long as you don't break your pledge, taking 1000 bucks from the director of a progressive pac is bad. But taking even more money from right wingers is Okey dokey.

Got it.

[George II]

32. Mercury is NOT a "progressive PAC". And it's not so much that she broke her own pledge, she....

....badgered all the other primary candidates to abide by HER pledge. And she's been using the fact that some did NOT "take the pledge" as a criticism in her fundraising emails.

Don't you find that ironic?

[progressoid]

40. 250 bucks from one Mercury employee. Not the PAC.

The 1000 bucks was from this guy at Amare Public Affairs
https://www.linkedin.com/in/marvin-hayes-455a1433/

This money also came from him personally, not the PAC.

[George II]

43. No one said it was from the PAC, but it was from a lobbyist. Mercury Public Affairs....

....is underwriting Amare Public Affairs. Both are lobbying firms.

You may want to look into the "affairs" of Mercury Public Affairs and their client list. If I were a progressive candidate they would be among the last with whom I'd associate myself.

[progressoid]

51. Again, these are two individuals' personal donations.

It's fine.
Similarly, we were told on numerous occasions during the primaries that candidates receiving money from employees of wall street or credit card companies is fine. They are just employees and don't represent their employers predatory actions.
It's all good.

[TheBlackAdder]

54. Sorry, not PAC. Her PR firm is associated with several.

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215595059

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[George II]

55. She's also being supported by four PACs, at least three are Super PACs or "Carey Committees".

[George II]

16. I don't see the relevance of your comment.

[NurseJackie]

52. Same as it ever was.

[JohnSJ]

17. AOC never compared Biden to a bowl of s**t, nor did she encourage people not to vote for

the Democratic nominee in 2016

[George II]

25. Or in 2020 either.

[JohnSJ]

41. Yes

[mcar]

37. ???

[Skittles]

48. no, they do not

[LetMyPeopleVote]

10. This is great news

Link to tweet

[Cha]

33. Dam Straight it's Great News! Rt TY!

[radical noodle]

14. I'd be happy if Nina never won another race

I'm sorry, but I will never forget or forgive her support of third-party candidates over Democrats. She helped elect trump and gave us this conservative Supreme Court that will try to undo every good thing Democrats work for.

[NurseJackie]

28. She has nothing but contempt for the Democratic party.

She didn't even want to run as a Democrat until her "People's Party" couldn't get onto the Ohio ballot. So, now she's running "as" a Democrat as a last-resort. She has no loyalty to Democrats or Democratic leadership (her support of Jill Fucking Stein in 2016 and her refusal to support Biden... along with comparing him to a "bowl of shit'') well, what more does anyone need to know about her?

[NurseJackie]

36. Spare me.

We’re told to shut up and be good Democrats. So we hold our noses and give you our votes.

Oh good lord! Spare me. What nonsense! Our great Democratic party and our Democratic candidates do not deserve that type of scorn or to be insulted that way. Please. GMAFB!

[George II]

46. Bazinga!

[NurseJackie]

47. That's my spot.

[sheshe2]

49. Whoa!

[PatSeg]

29. Same here

She really needs to get out of politics. It is not a good fit for her and her public persona comes across as angry and temperamental. Some people just do not do well in the public arena. If she really wants to be part of progressive change, there are other paths she could take, but maybe this is more about ego than change.

[mcar]

18. And some interesting contributions and broken pledges

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215615666

[George II]

19. Yes indeed. Some interesting development over the last few days, including an article about....

....one of Turner's senior staffers.

[NurseJackie]

53. I think the Nina Turner train is running out of steam, or...

... is about to jump-the-tracks. (Whichever metaphor is appropriate.)

In any case... it's my firm belief that anyone who supported Jill Fucking Stein over Hillary; and who would not support Joe Biden; and who compared Joe Biden to a "bowl of shit" ... well, that person is PERMANENTLY DISQUALIFIED from ever holding office as a Democrat.

Her contempt for the Democratic party is so obvious. Comparable with Susan Fucking Sarandon.

I mean, seriously... come ON! She couldn't support Biden over TRUMP??? She couldn't support Hillary over TRUMP???

[sheshe2]

23. Excellent news.

[Historic NY]

30. After the bullshit stunt she pulled at the Democratic Phil. Convention

with Jill Stein, I'd support her challenger.

Apparently she got attention alright, like a blow torch, the burn was intense.


[link:https://coolcleveland.com/2020/09/commentary-whats-next-for-nina-turner/|]

[NurseJackie]

34. Nina Turner and Jill Fucking Stein are "besties". She has no loyalty to the Democratic party.

Here's Nina at some bullshit "People's Party Convention" (or something) singing the praises of Jill Stein and getting all huggy with her.

The youtube link is below. Jill makes her appearance near the 22-minute mark (This link will take you to the Youtube video and automatically advance to the point where she's all huggy/kissy with Jill Fucking Stein.

It's clear that Nina Turner is NOT a friend of the Democratic party. She's bitter about the Democrats choice, and in a fit of revenge-motivate anti-party retribution, she's doing her best to sabotage Hillary so that Trump will get the presidency.

She's only running "as" a Democrat this time because there wasn't enough time to get "The People's Party" on the ballot in Ohio. This time, she's using the party that she hates only as a means-to-an-end. She's grudgingly running as a Democrat.

No thank you very much. I prefer candidates who are LOYAL DEMOCRATS and who do their level best to unite and uplift the party (not divide and weaken). That serves no good purpose, does it?

When she compared Joe Biden to a "BOWL OF SHIT" she disqualified herself forever.

[msfiddlestix]

39. This 10,000 %

[msfiddlestix]

38. I'll take this as a hopeful sign for Brown for this special election

I will note that a decisive victory is a "must happen"

just please, let it be so.

[question everything]

56. Kepping my fingers crossed

[NurseJackie]

57. I don't believe she EVER had the lead. Those numbers were cooked-up...

... the early numbers came from "Tulchin Research", hired by Nina for $800,000 to fake the numbers. (I think Bernie used them a lot, too.)

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