Joe Manchin says he's 'very, very' disturbed about reconciliation proposals on climate change

[Calista241]

Source: CNN

Sen. Joe Manchin, the Democrats' most pivotal swing vote, expressed his most serious concerns yet about a key element in their party's $3.5 trillion sweeping economic plan: Provisions dealing with climate change that have been sought by progressives.

Manchin, who hails from coal-producing West Virginia, told CNN that he's "very, very disturbed" by provisions he believes would eliminate fossil fuels -- a warning sign for Democrats who need all 50 members of their caucus to sign off on the plan in order to get it through the Senate. But the climate provisions are key to getting support from liberals, particularly in the House.

...

"Because if they're eliminating fossils, and I'm finding out there's a lot of language in places they're eliminating fossils, which is very, very disturbing, because if you're sticking your head in the sand, and saying that fossil (fuel) has to be eliminated in America, and they want to get rid of it, and thinking that's going to clean up the global climate, it won't clean it up all. If anything, it would be worse."

Democrats still need to draft their bill to expand the social safety net, which would go through the budget reconciliation process by September and cannot be filibustered, meaning it can advance with just 51 votes rather than 60.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/politics/joe-manchin-reconciliation-climate-change/index.html

[JohnSJ]

1. Then just do what you can get done, and get out and vote in 2022 en mass, so we don't have to

concern ourselves with Manchin or Sinema

[Hugh_Lebowski]

3. I can see why he's alarmed about language wherein Democrats are 'eliminating fossils'

[LenaBaby61]

4. 😴😴😴😴😴

[marble falls]

5. Soooo Collins is concerned, McConnel's perplexed and Manchin's very, very disturbed.

[a kennedy]

16. FAWK THEM ALL. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[calimary]

40. THIS!!! !!!

[Bayard]

6. We can't keep mining for coal

Apparently, Manchin has not been paying attention.

I don't think anyone is promoting ending it immediately though. Just phased out?

Banning fossil fuels will not help the climate, "If anything, it would be worse." Where the hell is the science for that?!

[dlk]

8. Exxon is certainly getting their money's worth

[KatK]

49. Exactly! n/t

[Traildogbob]

9. Disturbed at

The disruption of his cash flow.

[Trueblue1968]

26. omg !!! hE IS VERY VERY DISTURBED ABOUT EVERTHING. Just let's dump the fillibuster

make our country goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood again!!



Dems will do the right thing. We always do.

[BaronChocula]

10. He says while clutching his string of coal

What's very very disturbing is Juhmanchin impeding easy secure access to voting coast-to-coast for ALL Americans.

[Joinfortmill]

13. 👍

[maxsolomon]

11. What does the language actually say? Is it aspirational?

If only there were a way for him to find out.

Sounds like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

[Joinfortmill]

12. Sigh.

[yaesu]

14. I have to agree with Joe

he is very, very' disturbed.

[Lonestarblue]

15. No one is banning fossil fuels for everything!

We do not have electic airplanes or ships, nor do we have a US military that can function without fossil fuels. We will need some level of such energy sources for decades to come—but we do not need coal, and those jobs can be replaced with cleaner (and safer) jobs in alternative energy manufacturing, such as wind turbines and solar. Why isn’t Manchin working to get such manufacturing jobs to locate in West Virginia instead of blocking even baby steps towrd reducing carbon emissions?

[trof]

22. What he said

[ColinC]

17. How does he feel about being the likely reason democracy dies?

[atreides1]

52. Well?

He's rich, he's white and he's "Christian"! If this experiment called Democracy fails...Manchin will still be on top of the heap...so why would he care???

[ColinC]

53. Solid point

[Mr. Evil]

18. He's right about one thing.

He's very, very disturbed.

[Evolve Dammit]

19. Somebody remove the chunk of coal in this man's brain. He can't think clearly until then. Dumbass.

[George II]

21. 50 Senators in the caucus and all we hear about is Manchin. How about the guy who said....

essentially last week if it's not $6T it's not a deal.

[turbinetree]

23. It is not climate change its global warming...

I guess someone likes to double talk ...

"Because if they're eliminating fossils, and I'm finding out there's a lot of language in places they're eliminating fossils, which is very, very disturbing, because if you're sticking your head in the sand, and saying that fossil (fuel) has to be eliminated in America, and they want to get rid of it, and thinking that's going to clean up the global climate, it won't clean it up all. If anything, it would be worse."


I need a drink...JFC...that's disturbing...

[DownriverDem]

24. Is Manchin disturbed

by the drought & fires in the West, storms in the South, rain & flooding in the Great Lakes States & Northeast?

[calimary]

36. Why would he be?

He doesn't care. And why should we expect him to? None of that happens in West Virginia.

[Warpy]

25. Yeah I'ms sure he is. WV is coal country with a Union Carbide megafactory in the middle.

The coal boys need a reality check. Oh, there will likely be a need for coal as long as we are using iron and steel, but as the fuel of choice for electricity generation and heating, it's moribund. it's killing us and we need to kill it first.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

32. Strangely for energy too,

but not how you meant. It is used to turn high purity silica into silicon for solar panels.

[Warpy]

38. There will be uses for the stuff

W can't have ugly plastic clothing in Muppet colors without coal tar dyes.

Some of us remember when it was used for central heating and I can't imagine ever going back to that. The fashion rule about no white after Labor Day or before Easter was made during the days of coal heat with the air full of fly ash and the sum dimmed by a foul smelling,low lying gray cloud.

[JohnnyRingo]

27. Senators in Colorado are upset that it could eliminate...

The Conestoga Wagons.
In Kansas they fear an end to the Pony Express
and in Michigan Henry Ford will build his last Model T.

I feel for the miners, but it's time to look at a calendar and welcome the 21st century.

[Galraedia]

28. Can this idiot just switch to Republican already

Seriously, I don't care about power if it comes at the cost of our democratic values. Moron Manchin is setting democrats up to lose in 2022.

[MichMan]

41. So you don't care if Mitch becomes majority leader?

[Retrograde]

29. After all, the 100+ temps in the Pacific Northwest

have nothing to do with his constituents. Nor do the droughts and fires in the West, the floods and increased hurricanes in the Southeast, or the recent flooding of several NYC subway stations. West Virginia just sits there unaffected - until the revenues from the blue donor states dry up because of the impacts of climate change on their economies.

[calimary]

30. How sick and tired am I of hearing what Joe Manchin may or may not like?

How many stars are visible on a clear night out in the desert?

That's how much.

[BradAllison]

31. Joe Manchin needs to be rendered irrelevant.

We need to flip more states. Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina.

Joe Manchin is poisonous. He needs to be made just another guy.


Go ahead and alert like someone did yesterday and shut me up.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. Manchin has an active fan club of alerters here on DU

I wonder if they would have alerted on posts criticizing Dixiecrats Strom Thurmond or George Wallace if DU was around back in the 60’s?

Nevertheless, without passing voting rights, Dems will not add any seats to make Manchin irrelevant, they will lose their majorities.

[BradAllison]

35. Sad, isn't it? n/m

[calimary]

42. I'd guess he also has an active NOT-fan club here on DU, too.

We need to get a few more Dems elected to the Senate to render him irrelevant. At least two new ones. Two would blunt Kyrsten Sinema's impact, too.

[Fiendish Thingy]

50. I agree, but Dems won't add any senate seats without passing voting rights

To learn what you can do to save democracy, and find voting rights events near you (several major events planned for this summer), go to:

Indivisible.org

The fight is NOW, not November 2022.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Not.A.Big.Deal. He's just signalling to his donors that he's got their backs

A bill can be crafted that doesn’t reduce subsidies or increase restrictions on fossil fuels yet, and still include massive spending on green jobs and renewable energy.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. god I hope so-- this could not be more urgent

[TomDaisy]

37. AAAAAAIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[Escurumbele]

39. He needs to explain how "it would make it worst"...empty words without follow up or proof.

What a tool this guy is, can't wait for him to be out of politics or for Dems to win at least 12 more sits in the Senate to make him irrelevant.

[LymphocyteLover]

43. Jesus, what an asshole

[Martin68]

44. I'm disappointed Joe can't support the Democratic agenda.

I can't say why I really feel about him because I've been penalized for that in the past because you can't criticize a Democrat on DU.

[MontanaMama]

46. Is Manchin spending time with

Susan Collins? I mean, they’re both concerned and all. 🙄

[Jakes Progress]

47. The meme is that Bernie is the wild-eyed ideologue.

But Manchin is the one who won't see reason or compromise. Bernie is compromising. Manchin is stopping democracy.

[AllaN01Bear]

48. am very disturbed by him . hoped he was going to be a help. big hinderance .

[róisín_dubh]

51. Well, he should have a look at images out of the Netherlands...

parts of which are currently under water.


He's my senator and I'm sorry, but I fucking despise him.

[keroro gunsou]

54. as much as i dislike

the "us versus them" tribal mentality, i dislike fencesitters even more, doubly so if they are doing from a "what's in it for me," or "how can i benefit from this" perspective. it would be one thing if Senator Manchin was in the position of not knowing all of the facts and trying to educate himself, but he's not. Granted he's not my senator, I'm blessed that moRon Johnson, but he seriously needs to look at the big picture: his dithering and dawdling might just cost us the Senate and then NO ONE will be happy because no matter what President Biden and the Democrats propose, no matter how many Americans it would help, Seantor McConnell and his merry band of troglodytes will just shoot it down out of hand.

Senate Manchin really needs to shit or get off of the pot. How he cannot see that a lot of the policies and proposed spending will benefit his state is beyond me. It seems he's sacrificing any chance he might have of being re-elected for some filthy lucre now from whatever dark money is feeding him. Honestly, I'd rather vote for someone who looked out for my best interest and the interests of others over and over... which is why I have never voted Republican... go figure.