Sinema says she opposes $3.5T price tag for spending bill
Source: The Hill
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) said Wednesday that she does not support the $3.5 trillion price tag for a sweeping spending package at the center of President Bidens legislative agenda.
Sinema, in a statement to the Arizona Republic, said she would vote to start debate on the budget resolution, which lays the groundwork for the Democrat-only spending package, but wants changes, including to the cost of the legislation.
I have ... made clear that while I will support beginning this process, I do not support a bill that costs $3.5 trillion and in the coming months, I will work in good faith to develop this legislation with my colleagues and the administration to strengthen Arizonas economy and help Arizonas everyday families get ahead, Sinema said in a statement to the newspaper.
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Sinemas statement is the latest sign of the headaches awaiting Democrats as they try to craft legislation packed with some of their biggest priorities.
Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/565304-sinema-says-she-opposes-35t-price-tag-for-spending-bill
"In the coming months" Wonderful.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Why must some people stand in the way of progress again and again? What purpose does her stunt serve other than to draw even more attention to herself?
NCjack
(10,279 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Trump tax cut for the rich, and b) Sen. Warren's proposals to shift more tax burden from the bottom 90% to the top 10% holders of the nation's wealth.
LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)but will Sinema agree to THAT?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)No you don't. In fact I googled their names together and all I got was criticism against her from those reps.
There is only one explanation. She's a provocateur bad actor. She's a Trojan Horse. She is probably being compensated for it, or has future income reliant on how much damage she can do to the Democratic party while she can. She's probably a psychopath.
If there is no way to rid the party of her for three years, folks have to make her life as miserable as possible. Calling her out, protesting, boycotting whatever corps are paying for this subterfuge.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...when I think of how much work people here did to put her in office, only to have her stab us and her party in the back.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)debt when they're in power.
When some infrastructure bill passes, NO infrastructure funds for Arizona. Simply can't afford it with a stripped-down bill.
She can go home and explain to her constituents WHY she blocked the larger bill, and WHY their state isn't getting any infrastructure funds.
AZ8theist
(5,456 posts)Her stand on the filibuster is all the explanation I need.
She's a fucking CIRCUS CLOWN and I am putting all my money and time into her primary opponent, whoever that my be...
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)Also I'm sure it's over 10 years and $350B a year is very doable and necessary.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)rickford66
(5,523 posts)Better go reread some history.
elleng
(130,865 posts)I was around, at the time.
*Dirksen had promised Kennedy that he would allow a floor vote on the bill, but when it actually arrived in the Senate, he balked. He wanted changes that would have weakened the public accommodations and fair employment sections. But Johnson refused to compromise.
Now you know that this bill cant pass unless you get Ev Dirksen, Johnson told Sen. Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bills floor leader. You and I are going to get Ev
You get in there to see Dirksen! You drink with Dirksen! You talk to Dirksen! You listen to Dirksen!
Humphrey went on Meet the Press, where he praised Dirksens statesmanship: He is a man who thinks of his country before he thinks of his party
and I sincerely believe that when Senator Dirksen has to face the moment of decision where his influence and where his leadership will be required to give us the votes that are necessary to pass this bill, he will not be found wanting.
Johnson reminded Dirksen that not only did he lead the Party of Lincoln, he represented Lincolns home state. Throughout the filibuster, the Capitol was thronged with clergymen, lobbying senators to vote for civil rights. Finally, Dirksen gave in. Johnson allowed him to add a few innocuous amendments, to look as though hed contributed to the bill. But Dirksen also realized he could not stand in the way of an idea whose time as come, as he would tell reporters. As Caro writes:
Dirksen agreed that the time for cloture had arrived. When Johnson telephoned him, the Republican leader said he had told [Georgia Sen. Richard] Russell that morning, Dick
I think weve gone far enough. He promised to Johnson, Well
see what we can do about procedure to get this thing on the road and buttoned up.
Youre worthy of the Land of Lincoln, Johnson said. And the man from Illinois is going to pass the bill, and Ill see that you get proper attention and credit.
The cloture motion was approved, 71-29, with 27 of Dirksens Republicans voting in favor. Its been said that the Civil Rights bill completed the work of Abraham Lincoln, but it couldnt have passed without the support of a Senator from the Land of Lincoln.'
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/how-lbj-twisted-dirksens-arm/1927514/
rickford66
(5,523 posts)"Nice career ya got there. Shame if sometin' happened to it" in a nice polite Texas drawl. He knew where the bodies were buried and I expect Biden knows also.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)And that's not including the moderate Republicans who no longer exist.
Pretty easy to make threats when you have those numbers.
rickford66
(5,523 posts)LBJ needed some GOP votes
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Biden has a tied Senate and zero Republican votes.
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)Lots of changes since Nixon's 'Southern Strategy'. In the 1960's, sad to say, there were a lot of segregationist and otherwise really backwards Democrats. We've evolved.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)especially on civil rights
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)83% of them voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Biden does not have any Republican votes in the Senate. He doesn't have the leeway to make "threats" like Johnson did.
Polybius
(15,385 posts)Or answer, "Go f yourself, I think I'll switch Party's now."
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)That's not Pres. Biden's way.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Sinema meets with Biden as senators hammer out infrastructure disputes
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sinema-meet-biden-infrastructure-negotiations-continue-n1275170
onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)to get them to support her. She's interested in being in the news and blocking all of the things we fucking ran on. What the fuck is wrong with people?
manicdem
(388 posts)If she was removed, then the Republican Governor would replace her with a R. Don't think you want that.
onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)to help pay for this $3.5T bill, that way working class doesn't have to front the majority of this expense!
lakercub
(659 posts)She says 3.5T is too much. But, as usual in a case like this, there is no mention of why this is too much or what would be an acceptable amount. It's easy to say something is too much, but the real work is to point out where one thinks the waste or overspending is and to calculate an acceptable amount (and then justify why that is the acceptable amount). But, rather than sharpen pencils and go through it to figure out where money could be saved, too many politicians (some D's and almost all R's) just yell "too expensive!" and then go on their way without actually doing any work.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)if she did such a thing: "point out where one thinks the waste or overspending is and to calculate an acceptable amount (and then justify why that is the acceptable amount)."
If she has done the work, she needs to communicate that she's done the evaluation by being specific. She doesn't have to spell it out orally in a press conference, but she needs to announce her broad points and then have the specific points laid out on paper which should be distributed at the press conference.
She wrote an op-ed that is indicative of her reasoning powers awhile back--it's hardly convincing that she is sharp enough to evaluate this sort of thing.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)People will harangue her forever.
durablend
(7,460 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Mark Kelly gives a shit about his constituents. Sinema obvious is so goddamn full of herself. I hope we can find a high qualified democrat and by that. An actual fucking democrat!
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)That's what she was prior to running as a Dem. Green is literally the turd in the punch bowl for Dem's.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Miss Thang doesn't CARE about any of that. She's only in it for herself.
In times like this, I keep hearing something my late grandmother used to tell me when she was alive years ago (She'd be 140 years old if she was alive today), and I'm sure you've heard this:
"What goes around always comes BACK around." I think of this when I think of anything which happens that's particularly VILE, DISGUSTING & FILTHY, like the situation where most in the GQP are going along with tRaitor tRump and the attack on our democracy, when I think of that racist, evil, fascistic, sociopath tRaitor tRump and his crime-riddled, a moral family, or think about the man whose name I cannot mention from West Virginia, about the racist, Capitol Hill secessionists tRump cultists who tried to stop certification of a fair election result, or when I think of what keeps happening where African-Americans keep getting murdered by racist, rogue police officers like George Floyd was by that piece of crap, racist, murdering pig Chauvin--just because Floyd was black etc.
Yes, what goes around .......
StClone
(11,683 posts)And at this critical juncture the mask comes off and her handler's face appears: It is that of real Estate, wallstreet, student loan companies...
Midnight Writer
(21,745 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Arizona needs a lot of infrastructure work! If this bill passed, there'd be lots of employment and improvements in AZ!
Not that I'm an expert in AZ but I know they had terrible floods there recently, and have a lot of aging roads and bridges that people have been complaining about for years. Like every state.
3.5T sounds like a huge amount of money, but it's only about 2 years of the annual military budget, most of which never benefits any average person in any palpable way.
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)not all in 1 big chunk.
It's more like 350B/yr over 10 years or 450B/yr over 8 yrs.
For comparison, DoD's FY21 budget was 703.7B. The FY22 (starting 1 Oct 2021) budget is 715B.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Hugo Lowell
@hugolowell
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1h
In ominous sign for Dems, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says hes pleased that Sinema wont support $3.5 trillion infrastructure budget resolution: I was certainly pleased. She is very courageous.
@hugolowell
New: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says he will vote to proceed on the bipartisan infrastructure deal though interestingly after Sinema expressed doubts about $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill
Does this mean Mcturtle is more Dem than Sinema? scary thought.
AllyCat
(16,178 posts)No one's taxes are going up except the rich. What is her rationale to oppose this?
whistler162
(11,155 posts)and the price tag will only be 10 trillion.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)The $3.5T reconciliation package is PAID FOR, unlike the bogus 'bipartisan proposal' that she supports, which is NOT PAID FOR, and is full of typical Repub 'Smoke & Mirrors'.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)What are your number's Sinema...this is not just about Arizona........JFC....how much do you get every year to do this....
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Look at me! Look at me!
Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,889 posts)$3.5 billion might be a lot 10 or 20 years ago. But not necessarily now. Especially with what is needed now.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)Manchin and Sinema are proving themselves to be the Republicans' best weapons againt Bide agenda. They also demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the historical junction we find ourselves in. We can either go backward and end up with a result that doesn't even cover the costs of repairing the infrastructure to its original piss-poor condition, it doesn't advance the country in developing into a world class leader in communication, transportation, education and making the country a desirable place to live, like most other advanced countries. When they dream -- if they dream at all -- they are limited by their fears.
Of course, having a base salary of $174,000 makes it hard to imagine what life is like for a single parent family where the parent has to work two jobs just to provide food and shelter for their children.
It's the economy, stupid! It worked for Bill Clinton, and I think we ignore that mantra at our peril.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Ive come to despise these weak as water people who are only out for the money and attention
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez took aim at Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, a fellow Democrat, after Sinema came out against her party's $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill.
Sinema told the Arizona Republic in a statement that she thinks the bill is too costly, and "will work in good faith to develop this legislation with my colleagues and the administration to strengthen Arizona's economy and help Arizona's everyday families get ahead."
Ocasio-Cortez took to Twitter to call out the Arizona Democrat, writing: "Good luck tanking your own party's investment on childcare, climate action, and infrastructure while presuming you'll survive a 3 vote House margin - especially after choosing to exclude members of color from negotiations and calling that a 'bipartisan accomplishment.'"
Ocasio-Cortez previously criticized the lack of diversity in the bipartisan group, arguing that it leaves marginalized communities behind.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-on-sinema-blocking-dollar35-trillion-infrastructure-bill-good-luck-tanking-your-own-partys-investment/ar-AAMFyX1
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)Arizona Senators Mark Kelly and Krysten Sinema both expressed a measure of reluctance to support the cost of the Biden administration's $3.5 trillion budget resolution bill, which aims to fund new infrastructure measures, while at the same time saying they support moving the process forward.
The Democratic senators both made comments on Wednesday that suggested support for much of the agenda of the plan, which included President Joe Biden's "human infrastructure" agenda, like expanding Medicare, paid family leave, funding universal pre-school and paying for climate change initiatives, but not the high price tag many Democrats believe it will actually cost.
Sinema told Senate leadership and Biden on Wednesday she supports goals like job growth and American competitiveness. "I have also made clear that while I will support beginning this process, I do not support a bill that costs $3.5 trillionand in the coming months, I will work in good faith to develop this legislation with my colleagues and the administration to strengthen Arizona's economy and help Arizona's everyday families get ahead," she said later in the day in a written statement.
Kelly echoed Sinema's sentiments without going quite as far, when he said Wednesday that although he does plan to vote to advance a budget resolution, he does have concerns about the $3.5 trillion price tag. "I want to see it paid for," he said. "But I want to see this process move forward."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mark-kelly-echoing-krysten-sinema-concerned-over-bidens-infrastructure-price-tag/ar-AAMFT8o
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)though.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)...probably in the next few elections.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)A study came out today that shows it will not cause inflation and be a huge long term economic benefit. Easy to control the narrative on inflation if Dems are persistent on it. The elections will certainly not be lost by passing it. The elections could be lost due to Repug legislatures overturning the results.
Passing it would be a new benefit for Dems in 2022 and 2024.
TiberiusB
(487 posts)Biden is paralyzed and can't get anything done. His nonsense about needing to protect the filibuster virtually guarantees he will spend the rest of his term as a lame duck. Manchin, Sinema, and the blue dog trash are tanking progressive legislation in favor of more corporate welfare and protecting the status quo. The bipartisan bill was always the goal so Republicans can boast they got money for their districts against the opposition of the Socialist radical Left. They know people will barely register that they are being forced to pay for it by selling off public roads, bridges, etc. to private interests that will gouge tax payers for the foreseeable future. Then the Blue Dogs turn on their party (as Sinema is now) and thwart any effort to pass effective legislation for the public. Dark money is protected and the slide into autocracy continues unabated.
Mr. Evil
(2,839 posts)She's only there to get noticed, say no and act like a 16 year old hanging out at the mall.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)But we have to humor her to some extent. Without her vote in organizational matters we would lose control of the Senate.
LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)Thumbelina and her dramatic votes superfluous.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)nykym
(3,063 posts)recall her?