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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,838 posts)
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:29 PM Jul 2021

Navy charges sailor with setting fire that destroyed warship

Source: Yahoo News

SAN DIEGO (AP) — The U.S. Navy charged a sailor Thursday with starting a fire last year that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard docked off San Diego, marking the maritime branch's worst warship blaze outside of combat in recent memory.

The amphibious assault ship burned for more than four days. Left with extensive structural, electrical and mechanical damage, the ship was later scrapped. Estimates to replace it ran up to $4 billion.

The sailor was a member of the crew at the time, Cmdr. Sean Robertson, a U.S. 3rd Fleet spokesperson, said in a statement. The sailor was charged with aggravated arson and the willful hazarding of a vessel, Robertson said. No name was released.

No other details were provided, and it was unclear what evidence was found or what the motive was.



Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-charges-sailor-setting-fire-211723801.html

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Navy charges sailor with setting fire that destroyed warship (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
Holy crap! Repairs will cost about $3 BILLION and take 6 years!?! zaj Jul 2021 #1
According to UCMJ (as I understand it) the sailor can only be docked one months pay underpants Jul 2021 #3
I believe that's non-judicial punishment. A court martial can dock his pay for the next 50k years Kaleva Jul 2021 #6
Ah! underpants Jul 2021 #8
If they find him guilty of hazarding a vessel Calista241 Jul 2021 #15
The Navy takes a dim view of sailors sabotaging a warship. TomSlick Jul 2021 #23
She's Not Repairable. The Cost To Replace Will Be In The Billions, And Take Years. COL Mustard Jul 2021 #27
Sabotage! El Supremo Jul 2021 #2
+1 dalton99a Jul 2021 #10
USS Iowa 2.0? Archae Jul 2021 #4
Yes Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #9
If you are going to commit a crime, might as well make it a memorable one. Kaleva Jul 2021 #5
Like When That Ship Got Stuck In The Suez Canal COL Mustard Jul 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Jul 2021 #11
You could discover that the name has an illustrious US history Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #12
I remember drinking with crewmembers of the "Bonny Dick" in the 60's. oasis Jul 2021 #17
Thank You For Serving COL Mustard Jul 2021 #29
Thank you for that, and thank you for your service. oasis Jul 2021 #32
How do you set something like that on fire? twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #13
Lots of highly volatile aircraft fuel, and ammunition is stored within. Plus Aircraft oasis Jul 2021 #18
Location and the fact that the ship was undergoing maintenance. haele Jul 2021 #20
Thanks. Makes sense. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #21
ahh Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #25
Thanks for explanation Demovictory9 Jul 2021 #26
Navy needs to do a good after action review Mysterian Jul 2021 #14
That's going to be a pretty big statement-of-charges. Aristus Jul 2021 #16
I don't think he'll get a DD-214 jmowreader Jul 2021 #33
Three days of toxic air quality all over San Diego County haele Jul 2021 #19
wow llashram Jul 2021 #22
What happens in battle if it gets hit? Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #24
They're Designed With Fire Doors COL Mustard Jul 2021 #30
They were in a maintenance and repair period. haele Jul 2021 #31
Thanks for the detailed explanations Hekate Jul 2021 #34
That makes a lot more sense. Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #35
 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
1. Holy crap! Repairs will cost about $3 BILLION and take 6 years!?!
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:37 PM
Jul 2021

Is this the most expensive arson event in world history?

On 30 November 2020, Navy officials said that attempting to repair the damage and return Bonhomme Richard to service would take between five and seven years and cost an estimated $2.5 billion to $3.2 billion. Instead, the decision was made to withdraw the ship from service and, following extensive component recovery, have her sold for scrap


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(LHD-6)#Disposal

underpants

(182,722 posts)
3. According to UCMJ (as I understand it) the sailor can only be docked one months pay
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jul 2021

This sailor is going to prison so I guess their money really doesn’t matter.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
15. If they find him guilty of hazarding a vessel
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:44 AM
Jul 2021

One of their potential punishments is the death penalty. It’s by far the most serious charge he faces.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
23. The Navy takes a dim view of sailors sabotaging a warship.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jul 2021

If the evidence is there, I would expect a general court-martial to throw the book at him.

COL Mustard

(5,888 posts)
28. Like When That Ship Got Stuck In The Suez Canal
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:08 PM
Jul 2021

And one of the memes I saw was, You May Make Mistakes, But You Probably Don't Make Mistakes That We Can See From Space.

It was a satellite picture of the ship stuck in the canal.

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Bernardo de La Paz

(48,986 posts)
12. You could discover that the name has an illustrious US history
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:54 AM
Jul 2021

In the Revolutionary War the French loaned (gave) the United States a ship which was named Bonhomme Richard by the famous John Paul Jones and commanded by him in a sea battle.

John Paul Jones used it to take a much better armed British ship. This convinced the French to come in fully on the side of the US.

The current ship (fire damaged) is the third to bear the name.

It's easy to look things up in 2021.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
17. I remember drinking with crewmembers of the "Bonny Dick" in the 60's.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:55 AM
Jul 2021


I served aboard the USS Kitty Hawk(CVA-63) at the time.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
18. Lots of highly volatile aircraft fuel, and ammunition is stored within. Plus Aircraft
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:01 AM
Jul 2021

tires will burn forever.

haele

(12,645 posts)
20. Location and the fact that the ship was undergoing maintenance.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jul 2021

Fire started in a vehicle storage area under the hanger bay that was empty of vehicles but full of installation and repair parts and supplies. Lots of grease, oils, rags, plastic tarps, and consumable items that, even though the contractors are supposed to clean up, the area is still very flammable.
And since the ship was undergoing maintenance, a lot of hatches in the lower decks were open for venting purposes, and the main fire suppression system -halon- was turned off so if it inadvertently went off, it wouldn't kill people.

Haele

Mysterian

(4,574 posts)
14. Navy needs to do a good after action review
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:39 AM
Jul 2021

and try to design things so one kook sailor can't put the whole ship out of action.

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
33. I don't think he'll get a DD-214
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jul 2021

Willful hazarding is a capital offense. Since no one died I don't think they'll go there but with 57 injured people and a destroyed warship to his credit I think they'll give him life without parole.

haele

(12,645 posts)
19. Three days of toxic air quality all over San Diego County
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:15 AM
Jul 2021

And Northern Baja. The whole area smelled like a transformer fire - metal, chemicals, plastics, and insulation. We could smell the smoke and toxic fumes from the fire 75 miles away up in the mountains two days later.
That's not to mention a ship with millions of dollars of high-tech equipment plus people's personal items onboard. Lucky for most of the crew members, their records were mostly backed up off the ship.
Back in my day, disgruntled sailors typically acted out by being a phantom pooper targeting officer's quarters.

Haele

llashram

(6,265 posts)
22. wow
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 11:06 AM
Jul 2021

never followed up on this fire and damage...PO'd sailor huh...backstory on the sailor and possible cause of this arson? Was it revenge, retribution, terrorism attributable to a known cause, individual or domestic group, foreign? These days I question a lot. I know also, details may not be forthcoming since it is a military matter. And justly so. In my book.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
24. What happens in battle if it gets hit?
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:41 PM
Jul 2021

Even if these don't sink, they have to be written off? Maybe there would have been more effective damage control in the event of it being at sea?

COL Mustard

(5,888 posts)
30. They're Designed With Fire Doors
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:11 PM
Jul 2021

That can be closed to keep the fire contained. In this case, as I understand it, the fire doors were blocked open so maintenance work could proceed.

haele

(12,645 posts)
31. They were in a maintenance and repair period.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:32 PM
Jul 2021

Their fire suppression system was down, hatches that would normally be closed were open or disassembled so spaces that were just painted or welded in could vent, and contractors/installers could get in and out to do work. Fire moves fast, going through open hatches, insulation, and contractor venting equipment that is typically cheap plastic or canvas tubing.
I used to do shipyard installations - the Bonnhomme Richard was basically in a shipyard status, but pier side at the Navy Base. And sadly, it was within a month of finishing up, so there were tens of millions of dollars lost - between all the work done as well as new equipment that had just been installed.

There was a minimal amount of crew onboard - just the duty section, which is not enough to fight a major fire.

Normally, a fire like this would have been fairly quickly contained onboard with some damage, but not a significant loss. However, in this situation, the fire was able spread quickly before enough damage control could be implemented, and once it got into the ship's not yet operational ventilation system (which was probably dirty due to being in a shipyard status), the fire could not be controlled.

Haele

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
34. Thanks for the detailed explanations
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:30 AM
Jul 2021

What remains to be discovered is why one person did so very much in the way of sabotage,

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