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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,847 posts)
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:06 PM Aug 2021

Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd's latest COVID drug, finds 'no effect whatsoever'

Source: LA Times

Ivermectin, the latest supposed treatment for COVID-19 being touted by anti-vaccination groups, had “no effect whatsoever” on the disease, according to a large patient study.

That’s the conclusion of the Together Trial, which has subjected several purported nonvaccine treatments for COVID-19 to carefully designed clinical testing. The trial is supervised by McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada, and conducted in Brazil.

One of the trial’s principal investigators, Edward Mills of McMaster, presented the results from the Ivermectin arms of the study at an Aug. 6 symposium sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.

Among the 1,500 patients in the study, he said, Ivermectin showed “no effect whatsoever” on the trial’s outcome goals — whether patients required extended observation in the emergency room or hospitalization.

“In our specific trial,” he said, “we do not see the treatment benefit that a lot of the advocates believe should have been” seen.

Read more: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-08-11/ivermectin-no-effect-covid

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Major study of Ivermectin, the anti-vaccine crowd's latest COVID drug, finds 'no effect whatsoever' (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 OP
Unless you've got sheep parasites. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #1
So it cures a virus they dont think exists and it doesnt even do that? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2021 #2
Almost funny. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #3
This study looks like a good study LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #4
Do your own research IronLionZion Aug 2021 #5
Or the scientific method LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #6
Or reality speak easy Aug 2021 #13
Reality has a well known liberal bias IronLionZion Aug 2021 #16
Oh, let them take the bootleg drug from eastern Europe Warpy Aug 2021 #7
"We won't get vaxed....Now if you'll excuse us, we're off to the farm store for animal medicine." LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #8
This bullshit is metastatizing all over Farcebook Warpy Aug 2021 #9
Free Republic IronLionZion Aug 2021 #15
Kick dalton99a Aug 2021 #10
Well, why not just get vaccinated? Seems kind of dumb, touting this PatrickforB Aug 2021 #11
Exactly! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #12
Some antivaxxers say the vaccine is not safe because the FDA has not formally approved it yet. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #14
I thought it was a deworming medication. Maybe we should send a case of it to McCarthy for him.... George II Aug 2021 #17
That's what it is, all right. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #20
If it's used on parasites, does it work on republicans? George II Aug 2021 #21
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #18
Oh there is an effect alright. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #19
UV lamp enema Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 #22
For SiFi fans Sgent Aug 2021 #23
I am looking forward to the actual Dune movie LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #24
So am I. I read it so long ago that I was a teenager, but was very impressed with the author's ... Hekate Aug 2021 #26
Conducting such a study... reACTIONary Aug 2021 #25

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,847 posts)
4. This study looks like a good study
Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:32 PM
Aug 2021

The concept of controls and proper scientific methodology were used https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-08-11/ivermectin-no-effect-covid

The Ivermectin camp, as I reported earlier, is heavily peopled by anti-vaccination advocates and conspiracy mongers. They maintain that the truth about the drug has been suppressed by agents of the pharmaceutical industry, which ostensibly prefers to collect the more generous profits that will flow from COVID vaccines.

The problem, however, is that the scientific trials cited by Ivermectin advocates have been too small or poorly documented to prove their case. One large trial from Egypt that showed the most significant therapeutic effect was withdrawn from its publishers due to accusations of plagiarism and bogus data.

Nevertheless, the advocates have continued to press their case — without necessarily observing accepted standards of scientific discourse. During the symposium, Mills complained that serious researchers looking into claims for COVID treatments have faced unprecedented abuse from advocates.....

Mills said that his team’s Ivermectin trial was altered after advocacy groups complained that it was too modest to achieve the results they expected. The trial originally tested the results from a single Ivermectin dose in January this year, but was later changed to involve one daily dose for three days of 400 micrograms of the drug for every kilogram (about 2.2 pounds) of the patients’ weight, up to 90 kilograms.

Half the subjects received a placebo tablet. No clinical results were detected at either dosage, Mills said.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
7. Oh, let them take the bootleg drug from eastern Europe
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:55 AM
Aug 2021

That shit's got some hairy side effects. They'll be broken out with itchy spots while every joint and muscle screams in pain.

It will stop them from having the ambition to overthrow the government...or even go to the supermarket for the sole purpose of giving the clerks shit over wearing masks as store policy.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,847 posts)
8. "We won't get vaxed....Now if you'll excuse us, we're off to the farm store for animal medicine."
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:58 AM
Aug 2021

I have seen this drug promoted on the RWNJ sites.


Warpy

(114,615 posts)
9. This bullshit is metastatizing all over Farcebook
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:06 AM
Aug 2021

Yes, these dupes are ignoring their doctors and getting all their medical advice from anonymous ranters on Farcebook.

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
15. Free Republic
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:54 AM
Aug 2021

and many other RW blogs, radio hosts, social media videos, etc. Conservatives feel a lot of false confidence when they share this nonsense. They'll even have some unlicensed quack put on a white lab coat and pretend to be a qualified medical professional.

Apparently deep state doesn't want actual doctors to share these juicy secrets with their conservative patients because of nefarious reasons.

PatrickforB

(15,425 posts)
11. Well, why not just get vaccinated? Seems kind of dumb, touting this
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:23 AM
Aug 2021

treatment and that one, everything from bleach to this ivermectin, when you could just roll up your sleeve and get a shot of vaccine.

But hey, Sturgis is the next superspreader, this time of the Delta variant...

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
12. Exactly!
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:38 AM
Aug 2021

We're well past these bogus and dangerous "remedies" touted by TFG, we have the vaccines now which we know are effective - and getting the shot won't kill you while drinking bleach will.

Lonestarblue

(13,479 posts)
14. Some antivaxxers say the vaccine is not safe because the FDA has not formally approved it yet.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 06:52 AM
Aug 2021

The fact that they refuse a vaccine used safely by millions of people around the world because it might hurt them but then ingest all manner of other drugs and veterinary medicines to prevent Covid says that their refusal is political. They refuse to get vaccinated because they do not want to give Biden a win in getting as much of the country vaccinated as possible.

I understand supporting your political beliefs, but I will never understand doing stupid crap like this that can physically harm you. If any Democratic politician I admire publicly stated that gargling bleach would cure a sore throat, I would be questioning that person’s sanity—not going out and buying bleach! I really do not understand this level of blind obedience to politics.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. I thought it was a deworming medication. Maybe we should send a case of it to McCarthy for him....
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 09:24 AM
Aug 2021

....to distribute to his caucus. They're full of worms.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
20. That's what it is, all right.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 10:56 AM
Aug 2021

I just googled, because I had no idea what it was. And now that I do know, I'm baffled. This stuff kills parasites, not viruses. Absolutely, totally different things. I wonder how this one even got started. It just seems so random!

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
26. So am I. I read it so long ago that I was a teenager, but was very impressed with the author's ...
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:32 PM
Aug 2021

… world-creation.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
25. Conducting such a study...
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 05:24 PM
Aug 2021

... seems ethically dubious. There should be a good, solid reason to expect success before subjecting people to such a trial.

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