Judge orders resistant hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with horse medication

[BlueWavePsych]

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Source: The Hill

An Ohio judge has ordered a hospital to treat a COVID-19 patient with ivermectin.

Ivermectin is typically used for parasitic infections in animals such as horses and cows.

Ivermectin has FDA approval in specified doses for humans suffering from intestinal parasites such as worms, however, it isn’t intended or used to treat viruses.


Read more: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/570331-judge-orders-resistant-hospital-to-treat-covid

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Judges now practice medicine at Ohio. Procotologist?

[orwell]

1. Thank Jeebus...

...we no longer have an "activist court".

Thank you ConAmerica!

[gab13by13]

2. Give me one reason why the hospital should comply?

[jaxexpat]

13. Place your bets on how long before the hospital is sued for compliance with the judge's ruling.

Don't get me wrong. I support suing private hospitals............ until they're extinct.

[gab13by13]

19. I can't see the hospital complying.

Will the CEO of the hospital order a doctor to administer the horse paste? Someone at the hospital is going to have to give a valid reason for obeying a judge.

[LisaL]

22. It has been a week.

The patient is being given the drug and supposedly hasn't gotten any worse (presumably he hasn't gotten any better either). As far as I can tell the dude is on a vent in a medically induced coma, so if he had gotten any worse he would be dead.

[gab13by13]

31. Unbelievable link you posted.

The guy in Illinois is improving so why force a new treatment? The guy in Ohio seems to be in a bad situation. Imagine if he recovers, the demand for horse paste will go through the roof.

[LisaL]

32. I meant to post this one.

"As part of the complaint filed to the judge, Julie Smith signed a full release that relieved West Chester Hospital of any liability related to the ivermectin treatment. Davidson told The Post on Tuesday that Jeffrey Smith “hasn’t gotten any worse” eight days into his treatment."

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/a-hospital-refused-to-give-ivermectin-to-a-covid-patient-then-a-judge-ordered-doctors-to-administer-it/

[jaxexpat]

28. In the American healthcare system there are two sacred cow interests.

1. Insurance underwriters
2. Hospital investors (and the management that kow-tows to them)

[jaxexpat]

29. In the American healthcare system there are two sacred cow interests.

1. Insurance underwriters
2. Hospital investors (and the management that kow-tows to them)

[Rebl2]

3. Throw

That judge off the bench

[IronLionZion]

4. We are truly living in strange times

Judges know more than the hospital apparently.

[wryter2000]

5. Did the patient demand it?

I wonder if that judge would cry religious liberty if a gay couple wanted to order a wedding cake from a fundie.

I don't think doctors are under any legal obligation to do something that would harm a patient.

[LisaL]

8. The patient is on the vent.

I don't think he is demanding anything-not physically able. His wife is demanding it.

[wryter2000]

9. Thanks

I guess if I were the doctor, I'd order a quarter teaspoon of the stuff and insist that's the "correct" dose of an absolutely incorrect drug.

[Ms. Toad]

18. A doctor who is licensed to practice medicine in Ohio prescribed it.

The issue is whether the hospital has to administer the prescription written by one of the demon sperm cult of doctors, who is not authorized to practice in that particular hospital.

[gab13by13]

24. Have the demon sperm doctor take custody

of the patient, transfer him to his basement, or horse barn, or wherever he practices his witchcraft.

[keithbvadu2]

33. And the judge take partial custody

Would that doctor accept outside doctors mandating care for him to conduct on his patients?

[milestogo]

6. I want judges making medical decisions, and doctors making legal judgments.

Yeah, that's it.

[wryter2000]

10. It wouldn't be too bad if doctors made legal decisions

They'd do a better job than this judge.

[keithbvadu2]

35. Play doctor in the legislature

Play doctor in the legislature

[PortTack]

7. As a medical professional there is no way!!

1.the dr that ordered it does not have privileges at said hospital. Totally illegal
2. If a dr or nurse administers said drug and the patient has serious side effects their licenses will be on the line. It does matter what kind of papers the family signs they can still sue. Not to mention your malpractice insurance would be null and void.
3. Drs and nurses are well within their legal rights to refuse to give the drug

[patphil]

14. I agree.

This judge should understand the legal ramifications of using a drug to treat a patient for a disease it was never approved to treat.
The hospital can't be forced to do something unethical. If they do, they can be held liable for any problems the patient has as a result of this treatment.

This is going to go up the ladder in the court system. Hopefully a real judge, who understands the law will stop this foolishness.

[Ms. Toad]

17. This isn't about a judge choosing a treatment.

It is about the hospital's right to control who practices medicine within their walls.

The doctor who prescribed it isn't licensed to practice there (he's one of the demon sperm cult of doctors AKA Frontline)

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

25. I looked up Frontline doctors and got this...

... thanks for the heads up on the, "demon sperm cult of doctors".

"3
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), Ivermectin, and other COVID-19 medications can be obtained by prescription in the USA in almost every state. AFLDS-trained and licensed physicians are available via telemedicine for a short consultation. Our physicians know that HCQ and Zinc are effective both prophylactically and when used early. The telemedicine physician will review your history. Almost all patients can safely take these medications."

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/treatments/how-do-i-get-covid-19-medication/

[harumph]

11. Doctor does not have to follow judges orders if

the doctor feels the administration of the drug would hurt the pt.
Fuck this "judge" seriously.

[Ms. Toad]

16. A doctor prescribed the medication.

The hospital refused to administer it. This court fight was about the hospital's right to choose who practices medicine within the hospital with respect to a patient who is hospitalized for the very condition for which the medication was prescribed (after the patient was admitted).

[dlk]

12. There's nothing like a judge practicing medicine without a license

n/t

[Ms. Toad]

15. That is a misinterpretation of the case.

The woman found a frontline doctor (demon sperm quacks, but licensed to practice medicine) to prescribe Ivermectin for her husband - who is currently hospitalized. The hospital refused to administer the medication prescribed by a physician licensed to practice medicine in Ohio.

While I think the court is wrong (and dangerous), since it requires the hospitals treating a patient to defer to the judgment of a doctor who is not admitted to practice in that hospital - on the very illness which required hospitalization, this isn't a case of judges practicing medicine. It is a matter of overriding the hospital's decision about who is permitted to practice medicine within their walls (and - to some extent - under their malpractice insurance).

(Hospitals routinely administer medication prescribed by doctors who are not licensed to practice in the hospital by continuing medication prescribed before the patient entered the hospital. So it isn't so unusual to expect an outside prescription to be allowed. What is unusual is that the prescription was written by a doctor **after** the hospital took over his care for that very condition, within the walls of a hospital in which the doctor has no right to write (new) prescriptions.

[gab13by13]

34. This hospital just opened up a can of worms,

now any licensed quack doctor can prescribe medication at this hospital. I doubt that this will enhance the hospital's reputation.

[Traildogbob]

20. Horse treatment?

Don’t they just shoot em in the head for something as minor as a broken leg. Covid is much more dangerous, so I say treat the fools like a horse if they want that. Just say, Nay, to wasting a hospital bed. Give em a stall, Ivermectin, until they see it don’t work and the nurses are sick of emptying bed pans, and the fools have no more shits to give, and bang……send em to the glue factory. We need lots more glue to hold democracy together anyway.

[appleannie1]

21. The wife of the patient took it to court.

Their doctor said it was ok but the hospital staff had refused to give it to the patient according to what I read.

It is given to humans in small doses for some things. COVID is not one of those things and the amount given to livestock is way over the amount given to humans.

If I were a doctor with a patient in ICU, I would not give it to them. One of the most common side effects is nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. It is dangerous to vomit with a tube down your throat. Besides, there is no clinical proof it would help.

[LisaL]

23. The hospital has been ordered by court so he is being given the drug.

I don't think it's going to help him.
At this stage nothing is likely going to help him.

[appleannie1]

27. I doubt it also. Maybe doctors should now practice law in hospitals.

[keithbvadu2]

37. The judge and prescribing doctor should accept total responsibility for care.

The judge and prescribing doctor should accept total responsibility for care.

[AllyCat]

26. Practicing medicine without a license.

What is the point of having hospitals, clinics, the medication aisles of any grocery or pharmacy if some wingnuts on the internet can get a wing nut judge to help them with their magical thinking?

[Orrex]

30. No doubt Reichwingers will howl about this judge interfering in medical decisions

[Jon King]

36. This is simply not true, Ivermectin is a human medication that may help vs Covid.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

Ivermectin is used in humans AND there are studies that show it is highly effective in preventing severe Covid symptoms once infected. These studies are of course not enough and would need much, much more research.

So is it dumb not to just get vaccinated? Of course. But Ivermectin in its human form may indeed be of use vs Covid. Makes no sense to have a closed mind.

[Omaha Steve]

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