Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:48 PM
SouthBayDem (31,592 posts)
Biden bombs with ManchinThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). President Biden failed to persuade Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to agree to spending $3.5 trillion on the Democrats' budget reconciliation package during their Oval Office meeting on Wednesday, people familiar with the matter tell Axios. Why it matters: Defying a president from his own party — face-to-face — is the strongest indication yet Manchin is serious about cutting specific programs and limiting the price tag of any potential bill to $1.5 trillion. His insistence could blow up the deal for progressives and others. Axios was told Biden explained to Manchin his opposition could imperil the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill that's already passed the Senate. Biden's analysis did little to persuade Manchin to raise his top line. Manchin held his position and appears willing to let the bipartisan bill hang in the balance, given his entrenched opposition to many of the specific proposals in the $3.5 trillion spending package, Axios was told. Read more: https://www.axios.com/scoop-biden-bombs-manchin-b2b4acbd-24d0-40a3-ba6f-c0509e0e0224.html
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SouthBayDem | Sep 2021 | OP |
msongs | Sep 2021 | #1 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2021 | #7 | |
msongs | Sep 2021 | #10 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2021 | #13 | |
msongs | Sep 2021 | #18 | |
groundloop | Sep 2021 | #17 | |
stillcool | Sep 2021 | #2 | |
sinkingfeeling | Sep 2021 | #3 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2021 | #9 | |
sinkingfeeling | Sep 2021 | #21 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2021 | #22 | |
reACTIONary | Sep 2021 | #36 | |
Moebym | Sep 2021 | #4 | |
brooklynite | Sep 2021 | #14 | |
left-of-center2012 | Sep 2021 | #16 | |
Moebym | Sep 2021 | #24 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Sep 2021 | #29 | |
mopinko | Sep 2021 | #32 | |
pwb | Sep 2021 | #5 | |
jimfields33 | Sep 2021 | #23 | |
pwb | Sep 2021 | #40 | |
ColinC | Sep 2021 | #6 | |
LonePirate | Sep 2021 | #8 | |
tonekat | Sep 2021 | #12 | |
Magoo48 | Sep 2021 | #41 | |
Beakybird | Sep 2021 | #11 | |
DarthDem | Sep 2021 | #15 | |
littlemissmartypants | Sep 2021 | #30 | |
JudyM | Sep 2021 | #31 | |
littlemissmartypants | Sep 2021 | #33 | |
JudyM | Sep 2021 | #34 | |
littlemissmartypants | Sep 2021 | #35 | |
blm | Sep 2021 | #19 | |
multigraincracker | Sep 2021 | #20 | |
monkeyman1 | Sep 2021 | #25 | |
groundloop | Sep 2021 | #26 | |
Steelrolled | Sep 2021 | #27 | |
Baitball Blogger | Sep 2021 | #28 | |
Donkees | Sep 2021 | #37 | |
Harker | Sep 2021 | #38 | |
twodogsbarking | Sep 2021 | #39 | |
Spazito | Sep 2021 | #42 |
Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:51 PM
msongs (65,340 posts)
1. not LBN. opinion and analysis IMO nt
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Response to msongs (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:05 PM
brooklynite (85,584 posts)
7. A report on what Biden and Manchin discussed isn't LBN? Wierd.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:08 PM
msongs (65,340 posts)
10. "why it matters" is opinion and anlaysis and it contains no statement from manchin/biden
verifying it actually happened nt
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Response to msongs (Reply #10)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:10 PM
brooklynite (85,584 posts)
13. I don't care about "why it matters"...
A factual story about a meeting between the President and a senior Senator over a major policy disagreement seems significant to me.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:19 PM
msongs (65,340 posts)
18. why it matters makes it opinion and or analysis nt
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Response to msongs (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:16 PM
groundloop (10,923 posts)
17. Your concern is noted.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:53 PM
stillcool (32,620 posts)
2. someone said something about someone
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:54 PM
sinkingfeeling (47,583 posts)
3. Guess Joe was too nice and didn't threaten to sic the DOJ
Last edited Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1) on Manchin's daughter.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:07 PM
brooklynite (85,584 posts)
9. Using the DOJ to go after political opponents seems very.....Trumpian
But maybe that's just me.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:32 PM
sinkingfeeling (47,583 posts)
21. Manchin is supposed to be a Democrat. I believe most presidents have used bribes and threats to
get their party in line for votes.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #21)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:33 PM
brooklynite (85,584 posts)
22. Dangling criminal prosecution seems a tad different.
So does ignoring criminal prosecution as long as he's on "our" side.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #22)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:00 AM
reACTIONary (5,421 posts)
36. +100 nt
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
Moebym (989 posts)
4. Oh, it's Axios.
Like The Hill and Politico, it is as much a purveyor of juicy Washington DC gossip as it is a source of actual news.
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Response to Moebym (Reply #4)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:11 PM
brooklynite (85,584 posts)
14. A political blog reports about a development in politics.
When will the madness end!!!
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Response to Moebym (Reply #4)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:14 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
16. Don't shoot the messenger
Axios, The Hill, and Politico source a lot of threads on DU.
Media Bias/Fact Check rates Axios: “Overall, we rate Axios just Left of Center biased based on story selection that slightly favors the left. They are High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and zero failed fact checks.” Media Bias/Fact Check rates The Hill: “The Hill covers both sides on the political spectrum and generally sources information properly. All news stories are sourced from either journalists in the field or credible media sources.” Media Bias/Fact Check rates Politico: “These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation.” |
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:56 PM
Moebym (989 posts)
24. I take it you haven't gone to The Hill's YouTube channel, then.
Just a small selection of their video uploads, all with thumbnails and titles that would make the National Enquirer and other tabloid rags blush with envy:
- "Nicki Minaj HITS BACK At MSM Over Vaccine Comments, CALLS OUT White House for LYING About Invitation" - "Krystal Ball: In Leaked Audio Biden CAUGHT Admitting He Won't Do Anything as President" - "Krystal Ball: Bill Gates is LYING TO YOU On Vaccine Patent Protection" - "Rose McGowan BLASTS Oprah support of 'SICK power structure' by associating with Weinstein, Simmons" - "Kim Iversen: Newsom's 'Virtue Signal' Mandates, Israel Cases SPIKE as Country Requires THIRD Jab" - "Harvard Scientist: GALILEO Project Proves Humans Can NO LONGER Ignore Possible ALIEN Existence" - "Katie Halper: Obama Scales Back 60th Birthday Bash After Backlash; Twitter FAWNS Over Fmr Prez" - "JUST IN: Dan Crenshaw TORCHES Pelosi in blistering House speech" - "State Dept. SCRUBS Data on Military Weapons ABANDONED in Afghanistan From Official Websites" I don't know about anyone else here, but this doesn't exactly scream "respectable" or "unbiased" to me. |
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:37 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,178 posts)
29. BS- the Hill and Politico are both right leaning. Nt
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #29)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:09 AM
mopinko (66,438 posts)
32. they're both shit stirrers.
they do the rw work for them.
therefore- yeah, rw. |
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:01 PM
pwb (9,513 posts)
5. When we do this without Manchin he will
be kicked to the curb and rightfully IMO.
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Response to pwb (Reply #5)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:44 PM
jimfields33 (12,406 posts)
23. How? Which republican will vote with us?
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #23)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:55 AM
pwb (9,513 posts)
40. 2022 election 20 pukes are up for reelection.
I think we will take a few of those. Then Manchin can fuck off was my point.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:01 PM
ColinC (7,278 posts)
6. I'll be happy if Manchin gets voting rights passed
I would forgive him for this if he actually makes good on passing voting rights, however way he does it. Hopefully regardless, we could actually gain seats next year.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:05 PM
LonePirate (12,880 posts)
8. Biden needs to appoint Collins or Toomey to an ambassadorship and tell Manchin to go fuck himself.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #8)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:09 PM
tonekat (1,555 posts)
12. I like your thinking.
That sounds quite clever. I would love some maneuver to cut Manchin's power off at the knees.
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Response to tonekat (Reply #12)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:10 AM
Magoo48 (3,865 posts)
41. Yes, release the hounds, unchain the Kraken, enlist the ghost of LBJ. Do Something Dems.
Don’t consider all options. Roll the fucking dice. Use all options.
Learn a Hakka Chant; gather and do it on the steps of Congress. WTF, over. |
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:09 PM
Beakybird (2,937 posts)
11. Shit! 😡😰
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:12 PM
DarthDem (5,144 posts)
15. Not LBN
Mods, please move or delete. |
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Response to DarthDem (Reply #15)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:40 PM
littlemissmartypants (20,040 posts)
30. We don't have mods, we have juries. If you want to have a post locked, as in this case...
You have to alert on it. Then the hosts/jury members form a jury and discuss the post and vote whether or not to lock it. At least that's how it was explained to me earlier this week when I sent DU mail to hosts of LBN.
Please don't shoot the messenger. ❤pants |
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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #30)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:13 AM
JudyM (26,156 posts)
31. SOP violation alerts go to the forum hosts
Most other alerts are juried, though.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #31)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:27 AM
littlemissmartypants (20,040 posts)
33. Remind me what SOP means. I have been really addled lately and I can't keep up. TIA ❤
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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #33)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:30 AM
JudyM (26,156 posts)
34. Statement of Purpose
SOPs are found in the “about this forum” tab for any forum.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #34)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:36 AM
littlemissmartypants (20,040 posts)
35. Thank you. ❤
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:23 PM
blm (111,059 posts)
19. I think it's dumb for WH to PUBLICIZE meetings
like this beforehand. It is more prudent to have private, unpublicized meetings with stubborn types.
OTOH,it would be SMART to set up cameras in a meeting room where moderate lawmakers from both parties attend alongside the 15 Nobel economists who can talk to them in great detail why the larger bill is necessary for a successful economy. Seriously, why not arrange meetings like that? And televise them. |
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:25 PM
multigraincracker (29,794 posts)
20. From MSN.com....
"Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia are not adequately committed to the progressive cause, so liberal activists are beginning their effort to unseat them."
Their action may be remembered in November, 2024. |
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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #20)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:59 PM
monkeyman1 (5,109 posts)
25. their both like a bad case of std's , hard to get rid of !
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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #20)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:02 PM
groundloop (10,923 posts)
26. The sad truth is that Manchin will only be unseated by a GQPer.
At the moment he and Sinema are the traffic cops that can decide what legislation can be passed in the Senate, and we're stuck with it until we can flip some Senate seats.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:04 PM
Steelrolled (2,022 posts)
27. A politician's number one goal is to get re-elected.
I always read stories like this one with that in mind.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:25 PM
Baitball Blogger (45,217 posts)
28. Which Republican can we depend on?
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:11 AM
Donkees (28,000 posts)
37. One more meeting scheduled...
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:13 AM
Harker (11,966 posts)
38. Alternate headline... Manchin bombs with Democrats.
This guy's fifteen minutes should have been up ages ago.
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:35 AM
twodogsbarking (6,021 posts)
39. DINO
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:47 AM
Spazito (47,150 posts)
42. *LOCKING*
Host consensus is this OP doesn't meet the criteria in the SOP for this forum:
Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. No analysis or opinion pieces. |
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