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BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:00 PM Sep 2021

Texas doctor who violated state's abortion ban is sued, launching first test of constitutionality

Last edited Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:11 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Washington Post

A lawsuit that could test the constitutionality of the nation's most restrictive abortion ban was filed in Texas Monday against a doctor who admitted to performing an abortion considered illegal under the new law. The details of the civil suit against Alan Braid, a physician in San Antonio, are as unusual as the law itself, which empowers private citizens to enforce the ban on abortion once cardiac activity has been detected -- often as early as six weeks into pregnancy.

Braid stepped forward last week to say that he provided an abortion to a woman who was in the early stages of pregnancy, but beyond the state's limit. Despite the risks, Braid said he acted because of his duty as a doctor and "because she has a fundamental right to receive this care." "I fully understood that there could be legal consequences -- but I wanted to make sure that Texas didn't get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested," he wrote in a column in The Washington Post.

On Monday, an Arkansas man said he decided to file a lawsuit to test the constitutionality of the Texas measure after reading a news report about Braid's declaration. Oscar Stilley, a former lawyer convicted of tax fraud in 2010, said he is not personally opposed to abortion, but believes that the measure should be subject to judicial review.

"If the law is no good, why should we have to go through a long, drawn-out process to find out if it's garbage?" Stilley said in an interview after filing the complaint in state court in Bexar County, Tex., which includes San Antonio. He also noted that a successful lawsuit could result in an award in court of at least $10,000 for the plaintiff.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/texas-abortion-doctor-sued/2021/09/20/f5ab5c56-1a1c-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html



Here we go.

Here is a link to the suit that was filed (PDF) - https://bustingthefeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/1_ComplaintVBraid.pdf

NYT is reporting that a 2nd suit was filed by an IL man and referenced the story from this article - https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/09/20/san-antonio-doctor-who-openly-flouted-texas-abortion-ban-sued-by-disbarred-illinois-lawyer/

Copy of the 2nd lawsuit is here (PDF) - https://www.scribd.com/document/526485226/2021ci19920#download&from_embed


Lawsuits are filed against a Texas doctor who said he performed an abortion.

By J. David Goodman

Sept. 20, 2021, 6:58 p.m. ET

HOUSTON — A man in Arkansas and another in Illinois on Monday filed what appeared to be the first legal actions under a strict new abortion law in Texas that is enforced by ordinary citizens, regardless of where they live. The Arkansas man, Oscar Stilley, who was described in the complaint as a “disbarred and disgraced” lawyer, said in an interview that he had filed the lawsuit against a Texas doctor, who publicly wrote about performing an abortion, to test the provisions of the law. The Supreme Court declined to stop the law, which has effectively ended most abortions in the state since going into effect this month.

The law bars enforcement by state officials, a novel maneuver aimed at circumventing judicial review, and instead relies on citizens to file legal claims against abortion providers or anyone suspected of “aiding or abetting” an abortion. Successful suits can bring the plaintiffs awards of at least $10,000. Proponents of the law and anti-abortion activists had been satisfied that the threat of legal action appeared to stop most abortions in Texas. Some feared that the openness of the law — allowing anyone to file suit — could result in a first test case that was unfavorable to their cause.

Mr. Stilley said he was not trying to halt abortions by Dr. Alan Braid, a San Antonio physician who wrote in The Washington Post on Saturday that he had violated the Texas law — which prohibits abortions after cardiac activity is detected, or roughly six weeks into pregnancy. “I’m not pro-life,” Mr. Stilley, 58, said in an interview. “The thing that I’m trying to vindicate here is the law. We pride ourselves on being a nation of laws. What’s the law?”

(snip)

Dr. Braid was also sued on Monday by an Illinois man, Felipe N. Gomez, who described himself in his complaint as a “pro-choice plaintiff.” Mr. Gomez could not be immediately reached for comment about his lawsuit, which was earlier reported by KSAT news in San Antonio. Both suits were filed in state court in San Antonio and both men are representing themselves. “Neither of these lawsuits are valid attempts to save innocent human lives,” said John Seago, legislative director for Texas Right to Life, the state’s largest anti-abortion group, which lobbied for the new abortion law. “Both cases are self-serving legal stunts, abusing the cause of action created in the Texas Heartbeat Act for their own purposes.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/us/texas-abortion-lawsuit-alan-braid.html
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Texas doctor who violated state's abortion ban is sued, launching first test of constitutionality (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 OP
A courageous physician. I hope other Texas doctors join him JohnSJ Sep 2021 #1
And honestly? It was going to take a "friendly plaintiff" to get any judicial review at all. moriah Sep 2021 #5
It would be great if these doctors got together and made a pact to sue each other Maraya1969 Sep 2021 #12
Except for the Supreme Court finding the law unconstitutional, marie999 Sep 2021 #13
Does the law limit the number of people who can sue one person? radical noodle Sep 2021 #28
I was actually wondering... Takket Sep 2021 #32
That could be awesome radical noodle Sep 2021 #33
Question: James48 Sep 2021 #22
To summarize . . doctor breaks law to test law. Man files suit to bring the law up for judicial AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #2
So... what happens if the first challenger purposely provides a weak case? GregariousGroundhog Sep 2021 #8
You keep challenging it until you overturn a bad law AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #9
It's Interesting leftieNanner Sep 2021 #3
A skeevy lawyer who, according to CNN... Montauk6 Sep 2021 #19
I guess he needed something to do? leftieNanner Sep 2021 #20
Yeah, I guess he got tired of redoing jigsaw puzzles. Montauk6 Sep 2021 #30
if the law is thrown out i wonder rdking647 Sep 2021 #4
I'm hoping that at least the initial filing will be "friendly". moriah Sep 2021 #7
Exactly the way to deal with this shit "law". If it gets to the SCOTUS, it'll fall there, too ... marble falls Sep 2021 #6
And now, IMO, it will be blocked. oldsoftie Sep 2021 #10
Glad someone sued for the right reason. I assume no standing. kysrsoze Sep 2021 #11
Certainly, I don't see how a person in Arkansas Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #27
I was hoping for such a lawsuit, done as a test. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2021 #14
As I have been saying all along, it was a scare tactic and no Repug would sue. Jon King Sep 2021 #15
Where do we send the checks...? NM Grins Sep 2021 #16
Brave guy! Tadpole Raisin Sep 2021 #17
Hoping those assessed declare medical banktrupcy bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #18
How is anyone who files suit have any standing? ... aggiesal Sep 2021 #21
That is one of the open questions about the law Lithos Sep 2021 #23
The entire law is hot garbage and the Republican legislature in that state should be ashamed. nt cstanleytech Sep 2021 #24
"Neither of these lawsuits are valid attempts to save innocent human lives," AZ8theist Sep 2021 #25
Righteous rant!!!! BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #26
Mr Seago, has anyone ever explained the term "test case" to you? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #29
Thanks for your advice. AZ8theist Sep 2021 #36
I'll take that as "Screw you and your advice". Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #37
So...the Scopes Monkey Trial of the 21st Century? jmowreader Sep 2021 #31
We should, ALL OF US, quite literally ... ALL FILE SUIT against this doctor Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #34
Well ironically BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #35

moriah

(8,311 posts)
5. And honestly? It was going to take a "friendly plaintiff" to get any judicial review at all.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:08 PM
Sep 2021

TRTL was not really planning on suing anyone, I don't think.

It was going to take a doctor being willing to do it, and someone who would file suit/win without actually intending on collecting said $10k, in order to get this into the appellate system. (Or at least someone who would put the $10k in a bank account, preventing others from suing the same doctor, while it got appealed.)

Yes, it definitely deserves judicial review. And it's ridiculous that I, or any other Arkansas citizen, should have the right to sue for essentially the "wrongful death" of a fetus in Texas when if my close neighbor with no family was killed, I couldn't sue the person responsible for their death -- I wouldn't have standing, even if there was no direct relative who would have had standing otherwise.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
12. It would be great if these doctors got together and made a pact to sue each other
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:29 PM
Sep 2021

(being told by surreptitiously by the one doing the abortion) and if they win just give the money back to the doctor.

Like this guy, if he wins and gives the money directly to the doctor, say as a gift, who performed the abortion. It would make the entire law moot if everyone got together and worked it that way

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
13. Except for the Supreme Court finding the law unconstitutional,
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:49 PM
Sep 2021

you have come up with the best idea yet.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
28. Does the law limit the number of people who can sue one person?
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:06 AM
Sep 2021

Great idea if it does. But if multiple people can sue (which seems to be the case with two already suing this doc) then it would just open the floodgates.

Isn't it interesting that so far no pro-life people have sued, though?

Takket

(21,563 posts)
32. I was actually wondering...
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

1 doctor performs an abortion.

2. Public campaign on TV with the doctor saying “sue me! I did it”

3. MILLIONS of Texans all sue the doctor and say “where is my $10k????”

Texas owes BILLIONS of dollars in bounties and bankrupts the state

Only works though if there is no limit to the amount of people that can sue

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
33. That could be awesome
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 03:29 PM
Sep 2021

Apparently, we could all cash in if that's the case. Does the state or the doctor pay the bounty, though? I thought the doctor would be liable if he/she was the one who was sued.

James48

(4,435 posts)
22. Question:
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:45 PM
Sep 2021

Does the law only allow one $10,000 award per case? If so, then what if I sued each doctor each day, collected the $10k, and handed it right back to the doctor, thereby preventing anyone else from collecting.

Does that work?

AZLD4Candidate

(5,688 posts)
2. To summarize . . doctor breaks law to test law. Man files suit to bring the law up for judicial
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:04 PM
Sep 2021

review.

I believe that had to happen. Challenging the law with no standing because you oppose it shows no injury. This guy has no injury, but he is right. Bad laws need to be overturned by the court.

I offered my classroom to challenge Arizona's teacher gag rule. Now someone needs to sue me for violating it with they have proof I did

GregariousGroundhog

(7,521 posts)
8. So... what happens if the first challenger purposely provides a weak case?
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:14 PM
Sep 2021

Could striking first with a purposely weak case help establish precedent in our favor rather than letting a right winger sue first?

AZLD4Candidate

(5,688 posts)
9. You keep challenging it until you overturn a bad law
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:16 PM
Sep 2021

How long did it take women to overturn the bad laws for woman's suffrage? Same concept. You keep fighting until you win.

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
3. It's Interesting
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:05 PM
Sep 2021

That the person suing the doctor isn't a right wing forced birther ideologue. He's just a skeevy lawyer.

This will be an interesting test of the law - especially since he probably won't go judge shopping.

Montauk6

(8,075 posts)
19. A skeevy lawyer who, according to CNN...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 06:40 PM
Sep 2021

…, is currently a convicted felon serving an at-home sentence. Nice country.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
4. if the law is thrown out i wonder
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:05 PM
Sep 2021

if the courts can than force the plantiff to pay the doctors legal costs. i know the law says no but if its tossed out.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
7. I'm hoping that at least the initial filing will be "friendly".
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:12 PM
Sep 2021

Aka, the doc represents himself, the lawyer suing represents themselves, and then the lawyer agrees to put the $10k into a specific bank account while waiting for an appeal -- so that someone else less "friendly" can't sue while it's being appealed. (Only defense to duplicate lawsuits is that the money has already been paid out -- doesn't matter if it was paid out under an agreement to either keep it in an account or donate it to a charity, etc, but it had to have been paid.)

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
6. Exactly the way to deal with this shit "law". If it gets to the SCOTUS, it'll fall there, too ...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:10 PM
Sep 2021

I don't think they plan for these shit laws to stand, they're trying to recreate Reagan's knee jerk rallying point, because the "Stop the Steal" is spiraling down the sewer. And they need some raw meat to get some traction.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
10. And now, IMO, it will be blocked.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:19 PM
Sep 2021

Now we have an "injured party' to address. I'm hopeful that the trumpers will once again be pissed at TFGs pick

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
11. Glad someone sued for the right reason. I assume no standing.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:21 PM
Sep 2021

Given no one is personally or financially harmed, I’m guessing the law will be completely thrown out as no one could really argue they’ve been personally harmed, unless the “father” (for lack of a better word) sued. Still though… generally no standing.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
27. Certainly, I don't see how a person in Arkansas
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 09:48 AM
Sep 2021

Wholly unrelated to anyone else involved in the case, can possibly have standing in an abortion performed in Texas.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
14. I was hoping for such a lawsuit, done as a test.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:55 PM
Sep 2021

I almost suggested that someone on DU sue Dr. Braid, for a dollar (if such a small amount is allowed), when I first read his public announcement regarding the abortion.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
15. As I have been saying all along, it was a scare tactic and no Repug would sue.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:56 PM
Sep 2021

They never intended to file any actual suits. It was always a scare tactic. They know the law would be destroyed in so many ways in court.

Glad this doctor and the guy opposed to the law suing him is calling the bluff.

Tadpole Raisin

(972 posts)
17. Brave guy!
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 06:19 PM
Sep 2021

Republicans don’t believe in the rule of law. They believe in the wild wild west but only for things they like.

Just cray cray but now it can be tested and let’s see SCOTUS embarrass themselves - with their twisted logic - more than they already have.

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
21. How is anyone who files suit have any standing? ...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:24 PM
Sep 2021

How is anyone who files suit harmed?

Aren't these two of the questions that a court asks before ruling on any civil issue?

I'm no legal expert, but just asking.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
23. That is one of the open questions about the law
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:40 PM
Sep 2021

IMNAL - but there have been some excellent commentaries by lawyers about some of the issues with this law.

I think the comments by the Attorney General provide the best summary of issues against this law. Very readable:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/09/texas-abortion-ban-federal-challenge/

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
25. "Neither of these lawsuits are valid attempts to save innocent human lives,"
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:27 PM
Sep 2021

said John Seago, legislative director for Texas Right to Life, the state’s largest anti-abortion group, which lobbied for the new abortion law. “Both cases are self-serving legal stunts, abusing the cause of action created in the Texas Heartbeat Act for their own purposes.”

WELL DUH FUCKING DUH, MORON.

THE LAWSUIT IS TO SHOW YOU AND YOUR SCUMBAG ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-WOMAN, FUCKING NAZIS ARE THE WORST SUBHUMAN PIECES OF SHIT TO EVER EXIST IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
29. Mr Seago, has anyone ever explained the term "test case" to you?
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:39 AM
Sep 2021

I would also tell him that there are people of good moral and religious character who disagree with his opinion that a fetus is a human being. The sages of the Talmud, pious men who were trying to determine the teachings of God, taught that one does not become a human being until one takes one's first breath.

AZ8theist, try not to let your hyperbole get away from you. Is Mr Seago worse than Pol Pot? Or Josef Mengele? Or Lavrentiy Beria?

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
34. We should, ALL OF US, quite literally ... ALL FILE SUIT against this doctor
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:36 PM
Sep 2021

100M cases should get submitted to the courts of TX.

I want to hear that the documents are coming in to the court clerks office on pallets, via forklift.

Every US citizen has equal claim to our $10,000 awards, right?

BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
35. Well ironically
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 04:40 AM
Sep 2021

The Lt. Governor here in PA is STILL waiting for his $1 million "reward" from the Texas Lt. Governor and continues to troll him.




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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Jul 15, 2021
Still like
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@atrupar
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says that when TX Democrats arrive back in the state, "they'll be arrested and brought to the Capitol and we will pass these bills"
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John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
So far, that’s a NO.

We got your voter fraud, so where’s PA’s handsome reward??
Is Texas' Dan Patrick prepared to part with his $1 million reward?
Texas' Dan Patrick (R) offered financial rewards for evidence of voter fraud. Then Pennsylvania's John Fetterman (D) came calling.
msnbc.com
9:34 AM · Jul 15, 2021 from Bedford, PA


So the odds of TX paying the $10,000 to people who file suit is probably zero to none.
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