Mississippi School Charged With Arresting Kids For Flatulence, Wrong Color Socks, Breaking Pencils
Source: Business Insider
Mississippi School Charged With Arresting Kids For Flatulence, Wrong Color Socks, Breaking Pencils
Abby Rogers
The Justice Department is taking a stand against an educational policy in Mississippi that incarcerates kids for just being kids.
The department says in its lawsuit that officials in the city of Meridian and Lauderdale County "routinely arrest students without determining whether there is probable cause when a school wants to press charges, and the students are routinely jailed," The Associated Press reported Wednesday.
Students get in trouble for such minor offenses as wearing the wrong color socks, flatulence in class, and swearing.
But this startling program, dubbed the "school-to-prison pipeline," doesn't seem confined to the deep south.
The American Civil Liberties Union has long been fighting what it calls the "national trend of criminalizing, rather than educating, our nations children."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/school-to-prison-pipeline-lawsuits-2012-10#ixzz2APtr2Cn9
http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/school-prison-pipeline-talking-points
SurfingScientist
(256 posts)... I'd have been taken out back and shot on day #1 of elementary school...
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)mac56
(17,821 posts)coldbeer
(306 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)sometimes, in my case, it is biological warfare
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Gotta keep those feed-lines flowing to gain maximum use/income. Just curious.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)At least one judge (in PA I think) was found to have been getting big kickbacks on every child he sent to privately run juvenile facilities. I would not be surprised if people making policies for school systems are getting kickbacks.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,854 posts)AP/ February 6, 2011, 7:24 PM
ALLENTOWN, Pa. (AP) - Kids in Luzerne County had a powerful incentive to stay out of the courtroom of Mark Ciavarella, a fearsome, zero-tolerance judge who tossed youths into juvenile detention even when their crimes didn't warrant it.
Ciavarella ordered a 13-year-old boy to spend 48 terrifying days in a private jail for throwing a piece of steak at his mother's boyfriend during an argument. An honor roll student who had never been in trouble before was sent to the same jail, PA Child Care, because she gave the middle finger to a police officer. A girl who accidentally set her house ablaze while playing with a lighter languished in PA Child Care for more than a month - forced to shower naked in front of male guards, she says, and prohibited from hugging her family during rare visits.
She was only 10 years old.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)It was privatized and he was sending kids in for minor crimes.
Privatizing prisons is a bad idea in many ways.
schmice
(248 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Not when we have a prison industry to support and incarcerating those kids is taxpayer money into some prison company's pocket. Plus, the municipalities can then make money from the fines without raising taxes. We should have seen the warning signs as soon as prisons and jails were being privatized. It's nothing short of an outrage.
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winstars
(4,279 posts)Is it my Northern (NYC) upbringing (prejudice) that when I saw this thread I thought: Oh, its down is MS, of course they are targeting black kids. And they are!!!
Didn't we have a war about this shit...
Happened in PA also so...
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Pennsyltucky in the middle.
juajen
(8,515 posts)Could also be Pennsylbama, or Pennsylippi. I love these.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)To better understand the difference, you have to understand the various dialects spoken in Pennsylvania. To understand those dialects look at the following map.

http://www.evolpub.com/Americandialects/PennaDialMap.html
If you look at the Map, the Areas that speaks the Delaware Valley dialect is Eastern Pennsylvania, and those areas that speak Lower Susquehanna or Lehigh Valley are in "Central Pennsylvania" (the Upper Susquehanna tends to call itself the Upper Susquehanna area). If you go to Lancaster or Dauphin County (Harrisburg is in Dauphin County) this area calls itself "Central Pennsylvania" they do NOT consider the area where "Central Pennsylvania" Dialect is spoken as Central Pennsylvania. Sometimes it is called the Mountains, sometimes Western Pennsylvania, but NEVER Central Pennsylvania.
Lets me make C;ear how I am defining my terms. Eastern Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and the surrounding counties, who speak the Delaware River Dialect. This areas is heavy Democratic in Philadelphia but almost as heavy GOP in the other countries in that area. Worse, the Republicans from that areas (and the Suburbs of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh) tend to be the tea baggers type, people you just can not deal with. Outside of the Urban areas (including the Suburbs) the rural areas in this area are some of the heaviest GOP areas in the nation, and has been since at least the 1830s.
The Republicans from the rest of the State, Northwest, Northeast and the Appalachian Mountains, are Republican you can deal with.
Central Pennsylvania is that area that Speaks "Lower Susquehanna" or "Lehigh Valley" AND "Upper Susquehanna Valley" Dialects. Lancaster to Dauphin Counties, a heavy populated rural and urban mixed area out side of the Upper Susquehanna Valley area which is almost all rural. Thus huge area is heavily GOP with the exceptions of the various old small cities in the area, which are Democratic (i.e. The city of Chester, Pa, the City of Lancaster, the City of Harrisburg etc)
West of Central Pennsylvania, you have the Lower Appalachian Mountains, who speak a variation of the Upper Ohio Dialect of Western Pennsylvania. Western Pennsylvania is everything West of Allegheny Mountain, which is the Eastern Continental divide (i.e. to the east of that line water flows into the Atlantic, to the West Water flows into the Ohio and then to the Gulf of Mexico).
The Lower Appalachian Mountains is a solid GOP area, but also has a solid Democratic base (i.e. 1/3 of the votes in these areas tend to be for Democrats, a much higher RURAL voting percentage then in Central Pennsylvania).
As to Northeast Pennsylvania, the City of Scranton tends to be Democratic, but the surrounding areas tends to be GOP, but like the Lower Appalachian Mountains with a solid Democratic minority even in rural areas. This is also true of Northwest Pennsylvania, Erie is a Solid Democratic City, but the rest of Northwest Pennsylvania is solid GOP but with about 1/3 of rural areas Democratic.
Yes Philadelphia can get a 90-10 ratio of Democratic Votes to GOP votes, but the 33% of Democratic Votes from Northwest, Northeast and the Appalachian Mountains is often the reason a Democrat wins a state wide office (and lets remember Central County, where Penn State is, is in the area of the Appalachian Mountains where "Central Pennsylvania" Dialect is spoken (i.e NOT in Central Pennsylvania as I defined that term above). Central Count is the second county SOUTH of the line separating Central Pennsylvania DIALECT from Up State New York Dialect, and it went for Obama in 2008.
Notice I have NOT mentioned Western Pennsylvania. To understand Western Pennsylvania you have to compare the above Dialect map with the a map of where Coal is in Pennsylvania.

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/topogeo/econresource/coal/index.htm
A quick review will show that the area where Bituminous Coal exists (or had existed since a lot of it has been mined out) almost duplicates the Upper Ohio Valley Dialect. The reason for this is simple, coal mining and Steel making were related and it was not uncommon for people to have relatives in one AND the other and switch from one to the other. Thus the people of Western Pennsylvania tend to speak the same dialect. It is one of the largest local dialect areas in the US. In many maps it is mapped out even on dialect maps that are drawn to shown regional dialects instead of local dialects.
Just as in the other areas of the State, where people who tend to speak the same dialect tend to think one way or another (The rural GOP in Northwest, Northeast and the Appalachian Mountains tend to work well with Democrats and vica versa, unlike the GOP in Central Pennsylvania or the suburbs of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and this may reflect in why the dialects are where there are).
Western Pennsylvania has a solid Democratic Center in Pittsburgh, but unlike Philadelphia the surrounding rural area was solidly Democratic long before the Great Depression. When Pittsburgh turned Democratic in the 1930s, it was NOT just because the Republicans were moving out and the African Americans were moving in, but the working class whiles abandoned the GOP AND any influx from the surrounding rural area was Democratic not Republican. Thus the GOP strongholds in Western Pennsylvania tend to be the Suburbs only. These tend to be teabaggers types, almost impossible to deal with.
On the other hand, as you leave Pittsburgh and go north and east, the number of Rural Republicans increase (Except in Westemoreland, which has a strong tea bagger suburbanite tea bagger element) but these are Republicans you can deal with (I have had occasion to talk to Bob Gleason, and he is a good man to deal with, through I have to say most of my practice has been with his Brother Andy Gleason).
Also with Western Pennsylvania, with the collapse of the Steel industry in the 1980s, you saw a population decline, and that tended to leave a lot of GOP types around. Also with the success of the Unions starting in the 1930s, the Steel and Coal Workers were able to get earn a decent living and now you have the grandsons and great-grandsons of those that fought for unions, being taught in Collages that Unions are bad, turning GOP. They parents and Grandparents are telling them that is a mistake (and many a Great grand parent turning over in their graves). Both events have turned down the Democratic turn out in Western Pennsylvania. For example, Greene County, the County in the extreme southwest corner of the state, has been a solid Democratic County for Decades. In 2008 , McCain beat Obama out in Greene County by 86 votes. barely voted for McCain and that was not only due to some racism but that McCain was a former POW and Greene County was more comfortable with him then with Obama. Even then, Obama almost pulled out the county. It was something like 49-49%.
If you want to see any or all of the Counties in the US and how they voted see, including the margin of victory, in much of rural Pennsylvania the Democrats did well in Rural Counties:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html
Now Coal was and is a big factor in Western Pennsylvania, I had to make a trip from Johnstown to Kittening last night on US 422 which cuts through the rural areas of Western Pennsylvania and you did NOT see to many Romney signs, but you did see a lot of "Stop the war on Coal" signs. That sign is aimed at rural coal miners who see any comment on Climate Change as an attack on they standard of Living. Greene County is a big coal county and will vote for Coal every time and as in 2008 the GOP is saying Obama is anti-coal so they can get some of the Democratic Voters in Western Pennsylvania to vote for Coal by voting for the GOP. The GOP know better to use any other argument, but economics is economics and people will vote they lunch buckets almost every time.
Thus a comment, that Pennsylvania is more complex than "Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Pennsyltucky in the middle." Neither Pittsburgh nor Philadelphia (or both together) can win Pennsylvania, you need support from the rest of the State and Democrats have always been able to get it.
Drale
(7,932 posts)Then its not just the school districts with the problems but the local police who go along with the bullshit.
yellowcanine
(36,792 posts)Judging by my experience this is an impossible task. It's not like the perp is going to confess.
yellowcanine
(36,792 posts)"Silent but deadly" cannot be prosecuted.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)mac56
(17,821 posts)Personam quae deprehendi odor adduxit eam ad vitam
Harry Monroe
(2,935 posts)pstokely
(10,891 posts)?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)you can only take so much bad news. And this comes from a person who hates fart jokes.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)If we can't insist on our basic human rights, then we don't have basic human rights.
mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)If you can, send a few bucks to the ACLU. These days seems its all we've got on our side. Where the hell is the Justice Department? We are a third world country.. or getting there fast.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)The American Civil Liberties Union has long been fighting what it calls the "national trend of criminalizing, rather than educating, our nations children."
Because that's what is happening.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Thereby enabling a lot of this kind of crap for the foreseeable future.
I used to think they were on America's side, I just don't know anymore.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)At any rate, they had an internal debate on whether they should change their position on limits for campaign contributions which they opposed long before Citizens United. I have no idea if they did or not but one thing I credit them for is they are not a liberal or a conservative organization and won't let that determine on what position they take or who they defend.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)to save a lesser principle -- and yes, if it's the survival of a self-ruled population that's at stake, everything is a lesser principle -- then you're a monster and a traitor.
And if you would destroy your country just to appear non-partisan, there aren't enough tortures in Gitmo to give you what you deserve.
(By "you" I mean anyone, not you specifically, JohnLP24)
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)there was an internal debate between the members of the board of directors on what position they should take. I don't think their goal is to appear non-partisan but rather defend freedoms based on their interpretation of the constitution and how it applies. They'll defend someone that says outright hateful things because "It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive."
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)You're defending a destroy-the-village-to-save-it approach, whereby everything worth keeping was lost but we pat ourselves on the back for our supposed principles.
Also: Money isn't speech. It's a megaphone used to drown out the speech of others.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)I used what they said about freedom of speech to show that they're about defending personal freedoms based on their interpretation of the constitution rather than trying to appear non-partisan. I truly believe they're not partisan at all.
I'm not making a case for or against Citizens United. Just making a case that they're on the side of freedoms whether America enters into it or not. They're probably the only or one of the few organizations that even gives a shit about things like the Patriot Act and indefinite detainment.
Here is the ACLU current position on campaign rules
In our view, the answer to that problem is to expand, not limit, the resources available for political advocacy. Thus, the ACLU supports a comprehensive and meaningful system of public financing that would help create a level playing field for every qualified candidate. We support carefully drawn disclosure rules. We support reasonable limits on campaign contributions and we support stricter enforcement of existing bans on coordination between candidates and super PACs.
Some argue that campaign finance laws can be surgically drafted to protect legitimate political speech while restricting speech that leads to undue influence by wealthy special interests. Experience over the last 40 years has taught us that money always finds an outlet, and the endless search for loopholes simply creates the next target for new regulation. It also contributes to cynicism about our political process.
Any rule that requires the government to determine what political speech is legitimate and how much political speech is appropriate is difficult to reconcile with the First Amendment. Our system of free expression is built on the premise that the people get to decide what speech they want to hear; it is not the role of the government to make that decision for them.
It is also useful to remember that the mixture of money and politics long predates Citizens United and would not disappear even if Citizens United were overruled. The 2008 presidential election, which took place before Citizens United,was the most expensive in U.S. history until that point. The super PACs that have emerged in the 2012 election cycle have been funded with a significant amount of money from individuals, not corporations, and individual spending was not even at issue in Citizens United.
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-and-citizens-united
madmom
(9,681 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)madmom
(9,681 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)madmom
(9,681 posts)struggle4progress
(126,158 posts)12 percent being white. From 2006 to the first semester of the 2009-2010 school year, all the students referred to law enforcement or expelled were black and 96 percent of those suspended were black, the lawsuit said ...
Justice Department lawsuit says arrests in Meridian, Miss., schools violate students rights
By Associated Press, Published: October 24
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/justice-department-lawsuit-charges-arrests-in-meridian-schools-violate-students-rights/2012/10/24/89460950-1dfd-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html
PfcHammer
(1,653 posts)Maybe the innocence project could determine who the "actual" farter was and I can be exonerated.
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)is wrong with these freeking people???
llmart
(17,623 posts)n/t
GeorgeGist
(25,570 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)"What for?"
"You know why."
"No, I don't."
"Move to the front of the bus."
"I refuse."
Later in the principal's office.
"I ordered him to the front of the bus, and he refused."
"I refuse punishment until I am told for what I am being punished."
"If you do, I will have to call in your parents."
"Go ahead."
A half hour later...
"Your kid refuses punishment."
"For what?"
"Your kid knows."
"I told him I would accept punishment if he told me for what I was being punished. He refused."
"Well, why don't you just tell the kid why he is being punished?"
"He knows why."
"Well, we don't. So tell us."
"Ask your kid."
"We're asking you."
"Someone farted."
"What?"
"Someone farted. The other kids said I, 'did it' and he decided to punish me for doing 'it' with no idea what 'it' was."
"Is that true?"
"No."
"Then why are you punishing him?"
{silence}
"You could ask the other kids."
"Nevermind. Sorry to have called you in. I will take care of this. You go to class now. And I'd like you to stay behind for a private little chat."
I was actually surprised my parents let me get away with that. On the other hand, they knew I was always getting into trouble with the bus driver, but I never got into trouble with anyone else. That had them puzzled.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)The first is the legal construct under which wearing the wrong socks to school is a misdemeanor punishable by jail time. Farting you MAYBE could describe as unlicensed discharge of pollution if you really wanted to go around your elbow, or showing disrespect to a government official which is probably the charge they use...
And second, has the justice system so effectively cleaned up the streets there they have time to go after farters and pencil-breakers, or are real criminals being ignored so the courts can sentence these little hooligans for the heinous crime of wearing blue socks on white-sock day?
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)jmowreader
(53,194 posts)What kind of kickbacks from the jail company would be involved to get the cops to rush to the school to arrest the kid who broke a pencil, and to get the DA to prosecute it? Judges are a different matter: they like throwing people in jail to bolster their reelection campaiigns. (Read your local paper's court report sometime. In my county we have a great crime, Possession of drug paraphernalia with intent to use. Get pulled over with a toke stone but no drugs and you'll get charged with it. Comes with 10 days in jail.)
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Almost satirical. But it isn't.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,393 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)when I hear students swearing I say, "Please, no bathroom talk." That is enough to quiet down most high school students who swear, at least in my presence. As for socks? Hell, I wear whatever socks sort of match - that's enough to put me in jail I guess.
Farting? Definitely not a criminal act.
eilen
(4,955 posts)The teacher caught him reading a magazine in class. She demanded he hand her the mag. He put it away in his book bag instead. She insisted he hand it over. He refused. She sent him to the office and he got a suspension. My nephew has problems with autocrats d/t early years with his narcissistic borderline personality mother. When he was young, he was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder and ADD. Basically, you approach him with demanding compliance/controlling manner, he will undergo torture rather than comply. Good teachers recognize this and tailor their interactions with him. If he knows you don't like him, forget it. For the record, the magazine was about video games/computers.
When I was a freshman in high school, kids were suspended for fighting and maybe doing drugs or alcohol on school grounds and probably for repeatedly skipping class (skipping class usually got you a detention or Saturday School). You were allowed to smoke in designated smoking areas. No one cared what color socks you wore.. just were glad that your wore some.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)this can have long term consequences to the family.