Scoop: Manchin demands progressives prioritize
Source: axios
2 hours ago - Politics & Policy
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is telling colleagues that progressives need to pick just one of President Bidens three signature policies for helping working families and discard the other two, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.
Why it matters: By forcing progressives to choose among an expanded child tax credit, paid family medical leave or subsidies for child care, Manchin is complicating any potential deal but also signaling his willingness to negotiate.
He's also aligning himself with Democratic centrists in the House, who want to trim the number of programs in any final package but fund them for longer.
Progressives are hopeful they can retain all of their cherished programs in a final bill by funding many of them for shorter durations and therefore lower the bill's ultimate price tag.................................................
Read more: https://www.axios.com/manchin-progressives-prioritize-family-programs-07836848-3d9d-4dd7-b138-f4ebbe499ba9.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=politics-manchin
and now ANOTHER demand from manchin!! How many more will he have by December????
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Crowman2009
(2,478 posts)Can you say sabotage?
Jakes Progress
(11,121 posts)Democrats are being played.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)S&M are making Moscow Mitch the de facto leader of the Senate.
2naSalit
(86,054 posts)Magoo48
(4,659 posts)They are obviously well groomed, and undoubtedly well rewarded, plants.
myohmy2
(3,118 posts)...that strange...
...when Republicans win they win, when Republicans lose they win...
...dare I say it...fuck Manchin...
...all or nothing...
...hang in there...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)In the short term, that means crafting a suitable mix of pork, bribes, and Kompromat to silence them.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)jimfields33
(15,462 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)...drop any of the three, let alone the majority of them, and Biden will be the one who gets framed as having "sold out" working families, with those families remembering it in 2022 and 2024.
Then, of course, there's always the danger that, even if Biden and the progressives agree to only pursue one of the three, that will turn out to be the precise one that Sinema will decide she absolutely, positively cannot support under any circumstances.
jimfields33
(15,462 posts)Im glad Im not in congress. Id hate it.
msongs
(67,193 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)the ability for people to claim disabled adults that they are caring for within their home.
That and raising the cutoff area for when the amount they get declines, maybe start the decline out at 85,000 for a couple with it going away completely around the 145,000 area.
DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)JohnSJ
(91,959 posts)Ka-Dinh Oy
(11,686 posts)I say prioritize getting him the fuck out.
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)Should be obvious. Hes got to go.
ColinC
(8,232 posts)and cut. The ball is in his court, and he deserves the responsibility of denying millions of people vital services. This is not "progressives'" bill. This is the President's.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)That is what Bernie said to Manchin. State what you object to. It is not Manchins place to throw this off on 48 Democrats. It is up to Manchin to state what he objects to.
2naSalit
(86,054 posts)Is he trying to change their votes
or are they trying to change his?
You say that the ball is in his court
but hes happy with a pause for months.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Bernie asked Joe exactly what he objects to. Manchin came back with another vague comment about what he thinks Bernie wants. What does Joe want removed?
I am not a Bernie fan but on this one he is right. What do you want removed, Joe? He has already agreed to 2.2. Now Democrats need to know what to remove.
FBaggins
(26,696 posts)He wants Manchin to do the cutting - probably so that he can paint Manchin as not caring about (whatever). But there isn't any incentive for Manchin to do so. If you "put the ball in his court" he'll just hold on to it.
He has already agreed to 2.2
No - he didn't. The president commented that progressives may need to pare their proposal down to between $1.9 and $2.2 trillion and some reporter asked Manchin about it. All Manchin said was that he wasn't ruling anything out at this point. But when that got reported yesterday as Manchin moving to that figure, he corrected it and said that he was still at $1.5 trillion.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Holding up the bill. He owes it to tell them what he objects to. Joes crack about an entitlement nation is pure Bull. And his constituents are angry. They should be.
FBaggins
(26,696 posts)I doubt that he thinks he "owes" them anything at all.
What will Bernie do if Joe says no?
Bev54
(9,962 posts)and try and demand Biden choose. He is such an arrogant ass.
vanlassie
(5,637 posts)jimfields33
(15,462 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)limbaugh to manage centralized messaging the conservadems and GOP are toast. the country will go 10 pts left. they will have no leverage in the dem party and the GOP is going to enter a long severe minority infighting state - no fun place for 'moderate' dems
biden needs to point out the massive significance of trying to replace a giant radio turd that all GOP pols were afraid of with a bunch of little radio turds taking those 1500 radio stations in different directions.
TomDaisy
(1,828 posts)TomDaisy
(1,828 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,121 posts)Manchin (under orders) is just jerking the progressive chain, doing the most insulting thing to get the "libs" to react.
If we drop two, he will take two weeks and say those weren't the right ones.
I hope some reporter checks on sinema and manchin after the election, their off shore accounts and what boards the get appointed to. Our democracy has been bought and paid for.
2naSalit
(86,054 posts)Although, we have been warned many times that this would happen if people didn't participate in the representative government we have. And we didn't pay attention.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Manchin and Sinema are working hard to have the Dems in the minority in 2022. Corporately owned, they could care less which party is in the majority, they get paid either way.
Joinfortmill
(14,246 posts)2naSalit
(86,054 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)picks but Dems only deserve one thing?
Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)Let others butcher the pig. Manchin will wait at the dinner table for the pork.
Manchin pretends that he has the authority to give others the dirty work of cutting proposed programs. We're all supposed to await his approval. But he won't be insisting on specific aspects of the bill because he doesn't want to be the villain.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)Those 3 items are intended to take care of different circumstances so they are intertwined.
Of the three, I would think that the subsidies for child care would provide the best value for the most people in need. But that also means you are picking one set of people over another so you lose the sum of the parts type of support. Performing a cost/benefits analysis could prove me wrong but also do that anyway for each plan individually and then the integrated plan proposed by Biden. Government by roadblock is terribly inefficient. And the cost benefit analysis could be eye opening. Unless you are drunk on power.
SunSeeker
(51,369 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Why won't he just help President Biden achieve his goals?
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)and left him in charge?
I am fed up to here with these 2 moscow mitch obstructionist lapdogs. They are handing the house and senate to the rethuglicans in '22. I'm sure they both have offers of lobbying positions.
bucolic_frolic
(42,675 posts)Tired of seeing cash flow to families making 50K and up while other needs at the bottom go unaddressed.
piddyprints
(14,600 posts)The entire country is being ruled by two of the most backwards states via this clown and McTurtle. Add in Ms. 7th grade mean girl and it's just too much. It really makes my blood boil that they're hurting the country so badly for no reason other than personal power.
E. Normus
(74 posts)He knows that once the American people see and feel the benefits, even if only for 5 or 7 years, they will never support losing them.
femmedem
(8,188 posts)I was hoping he'd be willing to accept a shorter funding period for all three programs for just that reason.
And if he really cared about the American people, he would have. It would have given everyone, including Congress, a chance to see how successful these programs would be.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)True Blue American
(17,972 posts)orangecrush
(19,236 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(4,968 posts)The smell of noodles being boiled? I do.
keithbvadu2
(36,367 posts)Some people worry that Manchin will become a Republican. In the current balance of parties, that will not happen. He would switch parties only if the Democrats have a large majority or the Republicans have a large majority. He is in a maximum position of power right now and he knows it. The Democrats have to kiss his ass to keep him. If he switches parties he will become just-another-Republican.
At present, he is a 'loyal' Democrat.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Just look at the smirk on his face when he announces the next tune the Dems must dance to. Im sure he Mitch and their Republican pals are laughing their asses off behind closed doors.
IbogaProject
(2,694 posts)I say no, they can propose what to cut, so we can primary them with what they said should be cut. We need to say they are opposing all of it by suggesting we cut most of it.