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riversedge

(69,722 posts)
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:17 PM Oct 2021

Scoop: Manchin demands progressives prioritize

Source: axios



2 hours ago - Politics & Policy



Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is telling colleagues that progressives need to pick just one of President Biden’s three signature policies for helping working families and discard the other two, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.

Why it matters: By forcing progressives to choose among an expanded child tax credit, paid family medical leave or subsidies for child care, Manchin is complicating any potential deal— but also signaling his willingness to negotiate.

He's also aligning himself with Democratic centrists in the House, who want to trim the number of programs in any final package but fund them for longer.
Progressives are hopeful they can retain all of their cherished programs in a final bill by funding many of them for shorter durations and therefore lower the bill's ultimate price tag.................................................

Read more: https://www.axios.com/manchin-progressives-prioritize-family-programs-07836848-3d9d-4dd7-b138-f4ebbe499ba9.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=politics-manchin



and now ANOTHER demand from manchin!! How many more will he have by December????







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Scoop: Manchin demands progressives prioritize (Original Post) riversedge Oct 2021 OP
Seems as if him and Kyrsten the clown are just dragging this out until the mid-terms are over. Crowman2009 Oct 2021 #1
That's what mitch told them to do. Jakes Progress Oct 2021 #17
+1000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2021 #25
+1 2naSalit Oct 2021 #34
Yup. Magoo48 Oct 2021 #43
isn't... myohmy2 Oct 2021 #49
Top priority is to make SineManchin irrelevant by winning the midterms. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #55
I would go with tax credit but make the credit amount even larger. cstanleytech Oct 2021 #2
Me too. This one really helps family the most. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #9
Probably, but... regnaD kciN Oct 2021 #12
Yieks! jimfields33 Oct 2021 #13
Biden will be the one who gets framed - that's manchin's assignment nt msongs Oct 2021 #14
As for the amount I was thinking double the current amount and they should add in cstanleytech Oct 2021 #44
Sounds like Manchin lacks the ability to multitask. DURHAM D Oct 2021 #3
The first thing Democrats need to do is stop talking to the press regarding the negotiations JohnSJ Oct 2021 #4
Prioritize? Ka-Dinh Oy Oct 2021 #5
+1000 hamsterjill Oct 2021 #56
Actually, it is up to Manchin to state what he is willing to fund ColinC Oct 2021 #6
Thank you! True Blue American Oct 2021 #29
Exactly. 2naSalit Oct 2021 #35
Why? FBaggins Oct 2021 #33
That was not the point of my post True Blue American Oct 2021 #45
I know... but it is Bernie's point FBaggins Oct 2021 #48
Joe is the one True Blue American Oct 2021 #50
Joe doesn't mind "holding up the bill". He prefers it. FBaggins Oct 2021 #52
This is Joe Biden's agenda not just the progressives. Maybe he should sit down Bev54 Oct 2021 #7
Who does he think he is- our Dad? vanlassie Oct 2021 #8
No. The vote that decides the entire thing! jimfields33 Oct 2021 #10
Well, *I* demand that Manchin go and f*ck himself... regnaD kciN Oct 2021 #11
he and sinema are fucked. someone should tell him limbaugh and trumpism are dead, and without certainot Oct 2021 #41
arbitrary bullshit. JFC. TomDaisy Oct 2021 #15
the President of West Virginia has orders for us TomDaisy Oct 2021 #16
+1 2naSalit Oct 2021 #36
President Manchin is really enjoying the spotlight. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #18
He and sinema never intended to support any Biden bill. Jakes Progress Oct 2021 #19
+1 2naSalit Oct 2021 #37
Good job Manchin, Biden's approval at all time low of 38%. Jon King Oct 2021 #20
+1 2naSalit Oct 2021 #38
He's a Democrat so I can't say what I think. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #21
+++++++++++++! 2naSalit Oct 2021 #39
so he didn't mind when the fascists passed the rich tax breaks and rushed through supreme court yaesu Oct 2021 #22
Manchin doesn't want to get his hands dirty. He's above it all, isn't he? Eyeball_Kid Oct 2021 #23
It Is Not A One Size Fits All Situation DallasNE Oct 2021 #24
No, Manchin, YOU pick what has to go, AND EXPLAIN WHY. nt SunSeeker Oct 2021 #26
Manchin demands President Biden pick, that is what Manchin demands really mean. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #27
Who the hell died xxqqqzme Oct 2021 #28
Focus on the poor who need it most bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #30
OMG Will this never end? piddyprints Oct 2021 #31
He Knows E. Normus Oct 2021 #32
+1 and welcome to DU! femmedem Oct 2021 #40
Welcome to DU! True Blue American Oct 2021 #46
100%! True Blue American Oct 2021 #51
Prioritize this orangecrush Oct 2021 #42
Anyone recognise OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #47
Some people worry that Manchin will become a Republican. keithbvadu2 Oct 2021 #53
Will become? BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #54
Nope IbogaProject Oct 2021 #57

Crowman2009

(2,478 posts)
1. Seems as if him and Kyrsten the clown are just dragging this out until the mid-terms are over.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:20 PM
Oct 2021

Can you say sabotage?

myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
49. isn't...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:21 AM
Oct 2021

...that strange...

...when Republicans win they win, when Republicans lose they win...

...dare I say it...fuck Manchin...

...all or nothing...

...hang in there...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
55. Top priority is to make SineManchin irrelevant by winning the midterms.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:24 AM
Oct 2021

In the short term, that means crafting a suitable mix of pork, bribes, and Kompromat to silence them.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
12. Probably, but...
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:57 PM
Oct 2021

...drop any of the three, let alone the majority of them, and Biden will be the one who gets framed as having "sold out" working families, with those families remembering it in 2022 and 2024.

Then, of course, there's always the danger that, even if Biden and the progressives agree to only pursue one of the three, that will turn out to be the precise one that Sinema will decide she absolutely, positively cannot support under any circumstances.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
44. As for the amount I was thinking double the current amount and they should add in
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:44 AM
Oct 2021

the ability for people to claim disabled adults that they are caring for within their home.
That and raising the cutoff area for when the amount they get declines, maybe start the decline out at 85,000 for a couple with it going away completely around the 145,000 area.

ColinC

(8,232 posts)
6. Actually, it is up to Manchin to state what he is willing to fund
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:25 PM
Oct 2021

and cut. The ball is in his court, and he deserves the responsibility of denying millions of people vital services. This is not "progressives'" bill. This is the President's.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
29. Thank you!
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:39 AM
Oct 2021

That is what Bernie said to Manchin. State what you object to. It is not Manchin’s place to throw this off on 48 Democrats. It is up to Manchin to state what he objects to.

FBaggins

(26,696 posts)
33. Why?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:24 AM
Oct 2021

Is he trying to change their votes… or are they trying to change his?

You say that the ball is in his court… but he’s happy with a “pause” for months.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
45. That was not the point of my post
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:51 AM
Oct 2021

Bernie asked Joe exactly what he objects to. Manchin came back with another vague comment about what he thinks Bernie wants. What does Joe want removed?

I am not a Bernie fan but on this one he is right. What do you want removed, Joe? He has already agreed to 2.2. Now Democrats need to know what to remove.

FBaggins

(26,696 posts)
48. I know... but it is Bernie's point
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:09 AM
Oct 2021

He wants Manchin to do the cutting - probably so that he can paint Manchin as not caring about (whatever). But there isn't any incentive for Manchin to do so. If you "put the ball in his court" he'll just hold on to it.

He has already agreed to 2.2

No - he didn't. The president commented that progressives may need to pare their proposal down to between $1.9 and $2.2 trillion and some reporter asked Manchin about it. All Manchin said was that he wasn't ruling anything out at this point. But when that got reported yesterday as Manchin moving to that figure, he corrected it and said that he was still at $1.5 trillion.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
50. Joe is the one
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:36 AM
Oct 2021

Holding up the bill. He owes it to tell them what he objects to. Joe’s crack about an entitlement nation is pure Bull. And his constituents are angry. They should be.

FBaggins

(26,696 posts)
52. Joe doesn't mind "holding up the bill". He prefers it.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:54 AM
Oct 2021

I doubt that he thinks he "owes" them anything at all.

What will Bernie do if Joe says no?

Bev54

(9,962 posts)
7. This is Joe Biden's agenda not just the progressives. Maybe he should sit down
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:31 PM
Oct 2021

and try and demand Biden choose. He is such an arrogant ass.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
41. he and sinema are fucked. someone should tell him limbaugh and trumpism are dead, and without
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:47 AM
Oct 2021

limbaugh to manage centralized messaging the conservadems and GOP are toast. the country will go 10 pts left. they will have no leverage in the dem party and the GOP is going to enter a long severe minority infighting state - no fun place for 'moderate' dems

biden needs to point out the massive significance of trying to replace a giant radio turd that all GOP pols were afraid of with a bunch of little radio turds taking those 1500 radio stations in different directions.

Jakes Progress

(11,121 posts)
19. He and sinema never intended to support any Biden bill.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 12:18 AM
Oct 2021

Manchin (under orders) is just jerking the progressive chain, doing the most insulting thing to get the "libs" to react.

If we drop two, he will take two weeks and say those weren't the right ones.

I hope some reporter checks on sinema and manchin after the election, their off shore accounts and what boards the get appointed to. Our democracy has been bought and paid for.

2naSalit

(86,054 posts)
37. +1
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:32 AM
Oct 2021

Although, we have been warned many times that this would happen if people didn't participate in the representative government we have. And we didn't pay attention.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
20. Good job Manchin, Biden's approval at all time low of 38%.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 12:26 AM
Oct 2021

Manchin and Sinema are working hard to have the Dems in the minority in 2022. Corporately owned, they could care less which party is in the majority, they get paid either way.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
22. so he didn't mind when the fascists passed the rich tax breaks and rushed through supreme court
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 12:46 AM
Oct 2021

picks but Dems only deserve one thing?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
23. Manchin doesn't want to get his hands dirty. He's above it all, isn't he?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 01:16 AM
Oct 2021

Let others butcher the pig. Manchin will wait at the dinner table for the pork.

Manchin pretends that he has the authority to give others the dirty work of cutting proposed programs. We're all supposed to await his approval. But he won't be insisting on specific aspects of the bill because he doesn't want to be the villain.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
24. It Is Not A One Size Fits All Situation
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 01:26 AM
Oct 2021

Those 3 items are intended to take care of different circumstances so they are intertwined.

Of the three, I would think that the subsidies for child care would provide the best value for the most people in need. But that also means you are picking one set of people over another so you lose the sum of the parts type of support. Performing a cost/benefits analysis could prove me wrong but also do that anyway for each plan individually and then the integrated plan proposed by Biden. Government by roadblock is terribly inefficient. And the cost benefit analysis could be eye opening. Unless you are drunk on power.

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
27. Manchin demands President Biden pick, that is what Manchin demands really mean.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:36 AM
Oct 2021

Why won't he just help President Biden achieve his goals?

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
28. Who the hell died
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:02 AM
Oct 2021

and left him in charge?
I am fed up to here with these 2 moscow mitch obstructionist lapdogs. They are handing the house and senate to the rethuglicans in '22. I'm sure they both have offers of lobbying positions.

bucolic_frolic

(42,675 posts)
30. Focus on the poor who need it most
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:04 AM
Oct 2021

Tired of seeing cash flow to families making 50K and up while other needs at the bottom go unaddressed.

piddyprints

(14,600 posts)
31. OMG Will this never end?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:16 AM
Oct 2021

The entire country is being ruled by two of the most backwards states via this clown and McTurtle. Add in Ms. 7th grade mean girl and it's just too much. It really makes my blood boil that they're hurting the country so badly for no reason other than personal power.

E. Normus

(74 posts)
32. He Knows
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:21 AM
Oct 2021

He knows that once the American people see and feel the benefits, even if only for 5 or 7 years, they will never support losing them.

femmedem

(8,188 posts)
40. +1 and welcome to DU!
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:43 AM
Oct 2021

I was hoping he'd be willing to accept a shorter funding period for all three programs for just that reason.
And if he really cared about the American people, he would have. It would have given everyone, including Congress, a chance to see how successful these programs would be.

keithbvadu2

(36,367 posts)
53. Some people worry that Manchin will become a Republican.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:49 AM
Oct 2021

Some people worry that Manchin will become a Republican. In the current balance of parties, that will not happen. He would switch parties only if the Democrats have a large majority or the Republicans have a large majority. He is in a maximum position of power right now and he knows it. The Democrats have to kiss his ass to keep him. If he switches parties he will become just-another-Republican.

At present, he is a 'loyal' Democrat.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
54. Will become?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:16 AM
Oct 2021

Just look at the smirk on his face when he “announces” the next tune the Dems must dance to. I’m sure he Mitch and their Republican pals are laughing their asses off behind closed doors.

IbogaProject

(2,694 posts)
57. Nope
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 12:13 PM
Oct 2021

I say no, they can propose what to cut, so we can primary them with what they said should be cut. We need to say they are opposing all of it by suggesting we cut most of it.

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