Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:01 AM

catsudon (799 posts)

Arlington school shooter PARTIES at home after being freed while his victims remain in hosp.

Source: Mag Grand

The teenage student who fired gunshots in an Arlington, Texas, school on Wednesday hosted a party at home with his family after being freed on a $75,000 bond. Meanwhile, the teenage shooter’s victims, a 25-year-old teacher and a 15-year-old boy, are still in the hospital, with one of them clinging to life.

alternative source : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10069931/Arlington-shooter-Timothy-Simpkins-pulled-gun-backpack-classroom-brawl.html

Read more: https://maggrand.com/arlington-school-shooter-parties-at-home-after-being-freed-while-his-victims-remain-in-the-hospital/

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Arlington school shooter PARTIES at home after being freed while his victims remain in hosp. (Original post)	catsudon	Oct 2021	OP
This is disgusting	hamsterjill	Oct 2021	#1
It sounds like he was defending himself after getting jumped in a bullying incident	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#8
he brought a gun to school and shot 3 people.	bottomofthehill	Oct 2021	#23
Yes he did. After getting jumped and beaten up minutes earlier.	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#24
he brought a gun to school and shot 3 people.	bottomofthehill	Oct 2021	#26
You said that already	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#27
The extenuating circumstances are that he brought a gun to school & shot 3 people	Orrex	Oct 2021	#42
Did I?	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#43
Let me ask, was the teacher or the student involved in the bullying incident?	olegramps	Oct 2021	#63
What is the appropriate level of outrage regarding a school shooter?	Orrex	Oct 2021	#65
Okay, so you think I don't care	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#67
This message was self-deleted by its author	ExTex	Oct 2021	#70
Exactly!	Rebl2	Oct 2021	#35
Once he returned with a gun AFTER getting beaten up was he still in imminent danger of any sort?	NoMoreRepugs	Oct 2021	#38
I don't care.	hamsterjill	Oct 2021	#31
It's not self defense when you leave and come back with a gun. That is revenge.	Midnight Writer	Oct 2021	#32
Did the teacher jump him too?	hadEnuf	Oct 2021	#46
+ agree. No way endorse bringing a gun to school, it's unacceptable. But bullying needs to be	iluvtennis	Oct 2021	#58
Yes, does not belong on Breaking News, not on DU.	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#20
Why not?	hamsterjill	Oct 2021	#33
what is the defense rich kids use to get out of such crimes? I can't remember but know it has a name	yaesu	Oct 2021	#2
Affluenza. nt	DLevine	Oct 2021	#4
yes, that's it, thank you. nt	yaesu	Oct 2021	#44
He's a rich kid?	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#11
His parents say he was bullied because he had nice things and students were jealous of him.	Midnight Writer	Oct 2021	#34
That makes him rich?	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#36
We'll see. More will come out on this.	Midnight Writer	Oct 2021	#39
Yes it will	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#41
Well we need to find some excuse to explain	sarisataka	Oct 2021	#45
The assumption is that he brought a gun to school and shot three people	Orrex	Oct 2021	#66
Just because he is black doesn't mean he can't have a rich family.	NH Ethylene	Oct 2021	#73
That is truly shocking!	Sucha NastyWoman	Oct 2021	#3
At first blush from dubious website source. «Dubious «...everything on social media news.	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#16
Yes, and the term "parties" is subjective editorializing.	LudwigPastorius	Oct 2021	#40
"This is Texas for you"	Effete Snob	Oct 2021	#5
the love of guns and vigilante justice is Texas for you.	bottomofthehill	Oct 2021	#25
6 WORDS....QUOTE: "HE BROUGHT A GUN TO SCHOOL"....isn't that enough to keep him in jail?	Stuart G	Oct 2021	#53
Now, now, now.	Paladin	Oct 2021	#37
Is there a reliable source for this claim? Thanks.	mahatmakanejeeves	Oct 2021	#6
"Mag Grand" not high on your favorite news sites?	Effete Snob	Oct 2021	#7
Agree...strange sources makes for strange news later caught up to by actual facts.	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#13
It needs more aliens.	mahatmakanejeeves	Oct 2021	#14
No kidding. Must make for an interesting store of knowledge. nt	Hortensis	Oct 2021	#85
Alternate source.	Throck	Oct 2021	#10
Thank you. Apparently another tragic incident directly related to The Gun Fetish.	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#15
Ah yes, The Daily Mail. Another effort at producing fish-wrapping using rumor, innuendo, and just	Ford_Prefect	Oct 2021	#55
Strange he was released quick, but perhaps more charges are pending and a rearrest?	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#9
It sounds like self-defense from everything I'm reading	AZSkiffyGeek	Oct 2021	#12
Self-defense from a 25-year old teacher?	maxsolomon	Oct 2021	#17
Teens, schools, hormones, macho...throw in easy access to TheGun...what could go wrong?	Alexander Of Assyria	Oct 2021	#18
So, press charges for assault. Don't shoot people.	appleannie1	Oct 2021	#29
He shot a teacher in the back	questionseverything	Oct 2021	#68
There is no possibke self defense claim here	ripcord	Oct 2021	#79
Sad to say, but I read that the shooter had been bullied mercilessly...	secondwind	Oct 2021	#19
What conversation is there to have at this point?	maxsolomon	Oct 2021	#22
Yup. Maybe we could discuss "news" sources like these. My theory is	Hortensis	Oct 2021	#87
Bullying is as American as apple pie. At school,workplace,	MarcA	Oct 2021	#30
Bullying is as old as humanity.	NH Ethylene	Oct 2021	#74
Having been bullied to the point of being knocked unconscious...	knightmaar	Oct 2021	#47
I wish we lived in a better world without all the people so full of themselves that they don't care	SunImp	Oct 2021	#50
My sister was mercilessly bullied as a high school freshman.	littlemissmartypants	Oct 2021	#54
That's terrible, I'm glad you could scare them without violence.	knightmaar	Oct 2021	#61
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. ❤	littlemissmartypants	Oct 2021	#62
This message was self-deleted by its author	ExTex	Oct 2021	#72
Yes it sucks that shit like that still happens. Schools are scared to discpline	oldsoftie	Oct 2021	#59
I don't know when those old days were... I was raised in the 80s/early 90s	knightmaar	Oct 2021	#60
The good 'ol 70s!	oldsoftie	Oct 2021	#78
Bullshit. In some cases maybe but the old "dad would've..." might have been yours but not all.	JanMichael	Oct 2021	#80
Well, Ca was always ahead of everyone else. For good or bad.	oldsoftie	Oct 2021	#81
Can you freaking believe it!? I think the kids black!	BradBo	Oct 2021	#21
Family is saying he got bullied for wearing expensive clothes and driving a 35K car	appleannie1	Oct 2021	#28
That fault is with the school.	LiberatedUSA	Oct 2021	#76
I don't see a "party".	chowder66	Oct 2021	#48
Me neither. The kid's home with family. nt	Hortensis	Oct 2021	#86
..Why is the shooter out of jail?..He tried to ....KILL PEOPLE...IS THAT CORRECT? KILL PEOPLE .?.	Stuart G	Oct 2021	#49
He should stay in jail	SCantiGOP	Oct 2021	#51
And one of the victims is a teacher who	LisaL	Oct 2021	#52
Where's the party? It looks like he's surrounded by his loved ones	tulipsandroses	Oct 2021	#56
Buy him a NRA membership in honor of Kyle Rittenhouse, another juvenile killer who later celebrated.	keithbvadu2	Oct 2021	#57
My sense of fairness says	sarisataka	Oct 2021	#64
Damn! When will I learn that headlines are 'rigged'?	NH Ethylene	Oct 2021	#75
Texas wanted assurances that the gun was unscathed	alfredo	Oct 2021	#69
This message was self-deleted by its author	sl8	Oct 2021	#71
Yeah, I want more than	tonekat	Oct 2021	#77
That is some serious privilege in action	Devil Child	Oct 2021	#82
Isn't it great to be white	sarisataka	Oct 2021	#83
Pssst...should we tell them?	radicalleft	Oct 2021	#84
Indeed, if suspect was BIPOC male they would be shot while being arrested	Devil Child	Oct 2021	#88
BIPOC: Black/Indigenous Person Of Color	Paladin	Oct 2021	#89
We have consensus	Devil Child	Oct 2021	#90
Fuckin' A. (nt)	Paladin	Oct 2021	#91

Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:04 AM

hamsterjill (14,946 posts)

1. This is disgusting

Texan here. Can’t believe the absolute absurdity of this. Makes me fume.

I cannot believe that this guy is out and free when he is obviously a threat. Are they wanting him to go back and finish what he started? Good grief!

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:14 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

8. It sounds like he was defending himself after getting jumped in a bullying incident

I'm not sure he's an ongoing threat, especially since he turned himself in.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:43 AM

bottomofthehill (7,288 posts)

23. he brought a gun to school and shot 3 people.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:45 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

24. Yes he did. After getting jumped and beaten up minutes earlier.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying there may be extenuating circumstances.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:48 AM

bottomofthehill (7,288 posts)

26. he brought a gun to school and shot 3 people.

there are no extenuating circumstances. he brought a gun to school.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:50 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

27. You said that already

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #27)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:11 PM

Orrex (62,189 posts)

42. The extenuating circumstances are that he brought a gun to school & shot 3 people

You seem to be missing this point for some reason.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #42)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:13 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

43. Did I?

I don't recall saying he was right. I don't recall saying he was justified. I just said that there was more to the story when someone posted a spurious link to gin up outrage at the scary black kid.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #43)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 02:42 PM

olegramps (8,200 posts)

63. Let me ask, was the teacher or the student involved in the bullying incident?

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #43)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:37 PM

Orrex (62,189 posts)

65. What is the appropriate level of outrage regarding a school shooter?

I note, incidentally, that your use of “outrage” in this context is akin to accusations of “defensiveness” or “taking it personally.” That is, it’s a slimy word intended to shift the focus from the issue at hand (i.e., the person who brought a gun to school and shot three people) to whether or not the other party in the discussion is outraged.

And perhaps you can explain how his skin color, which you apparently find scary, is in any way relevant to the fact that he brought a gun to school and shot three people.

Your fixation on dubious “extenuating circumstances” is very reminiscent of a shady defense attorney questioning the character of an assault victim. What extenuating circumstances are relevant here, in your enlightened view? And how?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #65)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:44 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

67. Okay, so you think I don't care

I think it's awful that there is another shooting. I also think it's awful that someone posts a link from some random website in Togo providing an unsourced story that the family was partying afterward.
I've also questioned the affluenza argument that is being made as to why he was able to post bail since he doesn't look like the usual rich white kid that gets those breaks.
Finally, I've questioned whether he is an imminent threat of going back to finish the job since he a) was responding to a specific incident, and b) turned himself in.
I've also expressed surprise that the Texas cops didn't gun him down because he isn't a rich white kid.

And "outrage" was used in response to the clickbait article's tone, not any posters.

All I'm saying is there is nuance, it's still horrible, a tragedy and whatever other words you want to use about the continued proliferation of guns in schools but there is more nuance than Sandy Hook or Stoneman Douglas.

This shooting does not fit the usual profile.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:00 PM

Rebl2 (10,359 posts)

35. Exactly!

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #24)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:03 PM

NoMoreRepugs (7,847 posts)

38. Once he returned with a gun AFTER getting beaten up was he still in imminent danger of any sort?

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:56 AM

hamsterjill (14,946 posts)

31. I don't care.

He tried to kill unarmed students and teachers. End of story.

I do not subscribe to the “well he didn’t succeed” theory. Sounds too much like what Trumpers say.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:57 AM

Midnight Writer (18,772 posts)

32. It's not self defense when you leave and come back with a gun. That is revenge.

He shot the teacher. In the back. Had the teacher "jumped him"?

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:37 PM

hadEnuf (1,755 posts)

46. Did the teacher jump him too?

Or were they collateral damage, which is often what happens when a young person wields a firearm?

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:48 PM

iluvtennis (17,973 posts)

58. + agree. No way endorse bringing a gun to school, it's unacceptable. But bullying needs to be

handled by the schools. My kids graduated from high school last year and I can tell you their elementary, middle, and high schools didn't handle bullying. The schools had all of the policies/et al and talked up a good program, BUT they never did anything to actually curtail bullying.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:32 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

20. Yes, does not belong on Breaking News, not on DU.

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:57 AM

hamsterjill (14,946 posts)

33. Why not?

I didn’t say it doesn’t belong here. It perfectly belongs here.

Jerk should be in jail.

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Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:07 AM

yaesu (7,791 posts)

2. what is the defense rich kids use to get out of such crimes? I can't remember but know it has a name

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Response to yaesu (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:08 AM

DLevine (1,787 posts)

4. Affluenza. nt

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Response to DLevine (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:16 PM

yaesu (7,791 posts)

44. yes, that's it, thank you. nt

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:16 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

11. He's a rich kid?

Looking at the pictures from the gossip site above he doesn't look like the sort who gets away with this sort of thing. He looks like the sort that gets gunned down by cops.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:59 AM

Midnight Writer (18,772 posts)

34. His parents say he was bullied because he had nice things and students were jealous of him.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:00 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

36. That makes him rich?

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:06 PM

Midnight Writer (18,772 posts)

39. We'll see. More will come out on this.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:11 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

41. Yes it will

But claiming affluenza is why Texas police let a black teen out on bail doesn't pass the smell test for me. As is assuming that said black teen is going to go back and finish the job because he was let out on bail.
That's all my point is. He did something horrible and should be punished to the maximum.
But I'm seeing a lot of assumptions about him and what was done because of the words "school shooting."

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:29 PM

sarisataka (15,554 posts)

45. Well we need to find some excuse to explain

Why he was let out on bail. The dogma is that bail is only for white kids.

We haven't even touched on an explanation for why he was not shot on sight by police.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:41 PM

Orrex (62,189 posts)

66. The assumption is that he brought a gun to school and shot three people

Some have speculated (but not assumed, as you falsely claim) that wealth is a factor. It may or may not be, but that doesn’t change the fact that he brought a gun to school and shot three people.

Allegedly.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:59 PM

NH Ethylene (30,549 posts)

73. Just because he is black doesn't mean he can't have a rich family.

According to the article:

"The family said Simpkins’ classmates envied him because he has a nice car that worth $35,000 and wears nice clothes."

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Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:07 AM

Sucha NastyWoman (2,568 posts)

3. That is truly shocking!

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:22 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

16. At first blush from dubious website source. «Dubious «...everything on social media news.

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:11 PM

LudwigPastorius (6,443 posts)

40. Yes, and the term "parties" is subjective editorializing.

Not defending this guy's actions in shooting people, BUT there was nothing in the brief clip that indicates a party. There were many family members there, but no music playing, no cake, no laughing, no drinks.

This guy needs to do some time to reorganize his thinking. If the kid he shot dies, he needs to do a LOT of time.

I got bullied in high school and got my ass kicked a couple of times. I didn't shoot any people.

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Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:10 AM

Effete Snob (5,832 posts)

5. "This is Texas for you"

I'm not sure what Texas has to do with it.

Someone who is out on bond can do whatever they want, within any restrictions specifically required.

That's certainly not unique to Texas.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:47 AM

bottomofthehill (7,288 posts)

25. the love of guns and vigilante justice is Texas for you.

He brought a gun to school, full stop, anything past that is lost on me. He brought a gun to school.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:05 PM

Stuart G (36,656 posts)

53. 6 WORDS....QUOTE: "HE BROUGHT A GUN TO SCHOOL"....isn't that enough to keep him in jail?

.....Let alone ...."shooting people"......How was he released on bond?...How is that possible?

This fellow brought a gun to school, shot people and he is released on bond a few days after the shooting...How is this
possible..?

HOW WAS THIS PERSON RELEASED ON BOND AFTER SHOOTING PEOPLE???? ANSWER THAT ONE PLEASE!!!!!

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:02 PM

Paladin (26,615 posts)

37. Now, now, now.

Mustn't deny the Texas Trashers their fun...

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Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:11 AM

mahatmakanejeeves (51,105 posts)

6. Is there a reliable source for this claim? Thanks.

https://maggrand.com/about-contact/

Mag Grand is an entertainment news blog about Fashion, Celebrities, trending news (Politics Tech and Sports). We follow celebrities and entertainment companies online to bring you the latest and interesting updates on your favorite Role models, TV shows, top 10 lists and news. Pictures are taken from social media pages.

For collaboration, guest posting, sponsored post, news submission, general inquiry:

webmasters@maggrand.com
+228 91335778
Avedji, 5 Mairie
Lome, Maritime 80650
Togo

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:13 AM

Effete Snob (5,832 posts)

7. "Mag Grand" not high on your favorite news sites?

It is interesting to see where some folks get their "news".

Interesting selection of stories on the front page. Makes the National Inquirer look like Foreign Policy.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:18 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

13. Agree...strange sources makes for strange news later caught up to by actual facts.

Fit for social media, not DU.

Regret I I even posted on the thread….fooled me.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:18 AM

mahatmakanejeeves (51,105 posts)

14. It needs more aliens.

I mean the kind from outer space.

If the Houston Chronicle had run the story, I'd be more likely to believe it.

Thanks for writing.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 02:10 PM

Hortensis (55,759 posts)

85. No kidding. Must make for an interesting store of knowledge. nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:16 AM

Throck (2,449 posts)

10. Alternate source.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10069931/Arlington-shooter-Timothy-Simpkins-pulled-gun-backpack-classroom-brawl.html

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Response to Throck (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:19 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

15. Thank you. Apparently another tragic incident directly related to The Gun Fetish.

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:40 PM

Ford_Prefect (7,121 posts)

55. Ah yes, The Daily Mail. Another effort at producing fish-wrapping using rumor, innuendo, and just

the right leavening of smug. The Daily Mail is only slightly more reliable than the NY Post as the ink doesn't run when wrapped around an order of Fish and Chips.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:15 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

9. Strange he was released quick, but perhaps more charges are pending and a rearrest?

Lawyers will often do a snap bail on lessor charges that are pending to secure release before the main charges fall. Not great strategy but lots of not great lawyers.

And don’t see any evidence of partying, apart from a brief video posted by relative….but the mere possibility does make the blood boil…

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:18 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,706 posts)

12. It sounds like self-defense from everything I'm reading

He shouldn't have been carrying on school property, of course.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:24 AM

maxsolomon (30,030 posts)

17. Self-defense from a 25-year old teacher?

No, he shouldn't have been carrying at school. But, America, where guns are the solution to every problem.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:30 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (4,718 posts)

18. Teens, schools, hormones, macho...throw in easy access to TheGun...what could go wrong?

The Stupid on TheGun was the ultimate expression of American decline. Now maybe it’s The Sedition? Tough call.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:53 AM

appleannie1 (4,647 posts)

29. So, press charges for assault. Don't shoot people.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:59 PM

questionseverything (9,161 posts)

68. He shot a teacher in the back

That’s a far cry from self defense

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 9, 2021, 12:43 PM

ripcord (3,812 posts)

79. There is no possibke self defense claim here

He went to get the gun after he was bullied, he took it to school and opened fire when there was no immediate threat to him, this was revenge plain and simple. He should not only be charged with those hit by gunfire but for attempted assault of everyone in the immediate area.

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Response to catsudon (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:31 AM

secondwind (16,899 posts)

19. Sad to say, but I read that the shooter had been bullied mercilessly...

So we need to have a conversation about bullying in school, etc. Am not condoning what this person did.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:39 AM

maxsolomon (30,030 posts)

22. What conversation is there to have at this point?

Why it continues to happen despite adults telling kids not to do it?

We just had a bully elected President 5 years ago; half of America thinks it's admirable.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 02:29 PM

Hortensis (55,759 posts)

87. Yup. Maybe we could discuss "news" sources like these. My theory is

they're part of a "vast right wing conspiracy" to turn us all into magat-heads.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:54 AM

MarcA (2,146 posts)

30. Bullying is as American as apple pie. At school,workplace,

military, law enforcement, prisons.

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Response to MarcA (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:17 PM

NH Ethylene (30,549 posts)

74. Bullying is as old as humanity.

It's part of our human nature to establish a pecking order. We adults control those inclinations (most of us), but children are ruled by their instincts.

There has been a lot of increased awareness in the schools I've taught in over the last decade or so about spotting and reporting bullying. We're all on the lookout for it. Unfortunately, kids are very good at hiding their bad behavior. As a high school teacher, bullying could be going on right in the classroom and I might now know it. At that age, there are 'looks', whispers, cryptic comments, and cell phone messages that can inflict damage, and none of the kids involved want to tell the teacher, including the victim.

Fights are very visible though, and administrators are in charge of figuring out who attacked who and whether or not bullying is happening or if the kids are just mad at each other over something. It's not easy.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:42 PM

knightmaar (737 posts)

47. Having been bullied to the point of being knocked unconscious...

... I understand the rage.

When they're allowed to hurt you repeatedly without any consequence?
When it's so bad, you just wake up somewhere else with a sore face and no one explains what happened to you?
And no teacher apparently even knows what happened *inside* a classroom?

I don't know if what happened to this guy was that bad, or if he and his family are bullshitting us, but there are consequences to administrators who shrug off violence with "Boys will be boys". Especially in a culture with readily available firearms.

I never went off and got a gun, or even a weapon of any kind, but I did have to beat a guy up to make it stop.

Because no one else would do anything.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:57 PM

SunImp (2,180 posts)

50. I wish we lived in a better world without all the people so full of themselves that they don't care

about the feelings of the people they bully. Physical bullies, emotionally abusive bullies, online bullies are all the same type of scum.
The world we live in now is shit because all these people never faced any consequences.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:21 PM

littlemissmartypants (20,072 posts)

54. My sister was mercilessly bullied as a high school freshman.

It was not unusual for the principal or the vice principal to call me, a senior at the time, to the office, then send me to her where the bullying was taking place. This was usually the girls bathroom where she was locked in a stall. She had been literally backed into the place while her bullies were pounding on the stall door yelling and taunting her. She was always crying and terrified while these evil girls, aside from also being idiots, were relentless.

I never hit anyone and the thought never crossed my mind, but the tongue lashings I dispensed have been deemed legendary and were always effective.The question I have looking back, is why couldn't or wouldn't the adults, in this case principal and vice principal, do anything?

It doesn't seem that things have changed, much less improved, when it comes to remedies and interventions for this problem that in my sister's case was more than thirty years ago. Indeed things, as evidenced in this incident, have gotten much, much worse.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 02:04 PM

knightmaar (737 posts)

61. That's terrible, I'm glad you could scare them without violence.

The people in my life only respected violence.
Since admin wouldn't suspend or expel them, I had to hurt them to make them stop.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 02:11 PM

littlemissmartypants (20,072 posts)

62. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. ❤

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:53 PM

oldsoftie (10,573 posts)

59. Yes it sucks that shit like that still happens. Schools are scared to discpline

Parents refuse to admit little Johnny can be a bully and instead bully the school. In the old days, you'd get your ass whipped by dad before you got out of the parking lot. And you didnt do it again.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 02:03 PM

knightmaar (737 posts)

60. I don't know when those old days were... I was raised in the 80s/early 90s

And parents made excuses already.
And administrators did nothing.

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Response to knightmaar (Reply #60)

Sat Oct 9, 2021, 11:32 AM

oldsoftie (10,573 posts)

78. The good 'ol 70s!

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #78)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 09:05 PM

JanMichael (24,440 posts)

80. Bullshit. In some cases maybe but the old "dad would've..." might have been yours but not all.

Not even close. And I was in schools in Riverside California in the 70's.

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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:59 AM

oldsoftie (10,573 posts)

81. Well, Ca was always ahead of everyone else. For good or bad.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:33 AM

BradBo (371 posts)

21. Can you freaking believe it!? I think the kids black!

If so then that’s Texas moving in the right direction. In a weird, scary way!

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:52 AM

appleannie1 (4,647 posts)

28. Family is saying he got bullied for wearing expensive clothes and driving a 35K car

Seems to me there is better ways of handling things other than shooting people.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:38 PM

LiberatedUSA (1,666 posts)

76. That fault is with the school.

Maybe if schools took bullying seriously, bullies wouldn’t get shot. The school failed him and his parents failed him (if the gun was theirs). Now he can look forward to being bullied in prison the rest of his life while his highschool bullies grown and enjoy life.

Maybe they’ll write him letters asking him how he enjoys his days in general population. Guess nobody told him after a high school is over, none of that shit matters; especially if you are already rich. He has a smooth sailing life ahead of him. Now he gets to be bullied until his dying day.

Maybe schools should take it more seriously and expel the bullies instead of allowing it to go on until lives are destroyed.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:49 PM

chowder66 (7,975 posts)

48. I don't see a "party".

The very short video shows him holding a baby and the family is there in a kitchen. He has a big family, aunts, uncles, etc.
It doesn't surprise me that they would be there in the home after this. A cousin posted the video.

And to be clear I do not condone what he did. I think there may be mitigating circumstances to help his case
but this kid will most likely serve time for this.

What bothers me is that someone is trying to paint a black kid and his family as "partying".

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #48)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 02:12 PM

Hortensis (55,759 posts)

86. Me neither. The kid's home with family. nt

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:56 PM

Stuart G (36,656 posts)

49. ..Why is the shooter out of jail?..He tried to ....KILL PEOPLE...IS THAT CORRECT? KILL PEOPLE .?.

....DID THIS FELLOW TRY TO....................KILL PEOPLE?............KILL PEOPLE???

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:58 PM

SCantiGOP (13,133 posts)

51. He should stay in jail

Until a trial and then be sent back to jail to serve his sentence.
Letting him outs sends a strong message to other kids that being bullied is a good defense against using a gun to go after your enemies.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:00 PM

LisaL (44,679 posts)

52. And one of the victims is a teacher who

was trying to stop the shooting. What kind of message releasing the shooter on bail to sends?

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:44 PM

tulipsandroses (4,520 posts)

56. Where's the party? It looks like he's surrounded by his loved ones

Who are giving him support. This headline and article is trash. But it’s the Daily Mail so I guess I should know better than to expect real journalism.
Has nothing to do with this young man’s guilt or not.
Maybe it’s shocking to see that black families show love? They must be partying. They could not possibly be making sure he is supported and loved.
How did the writer know he got angry? Have they interrogated him? Did the police tell them that?
Trashy journalism, if you can call it that. I think that might be insulting to real journalists.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:47 PM

keithbvadu2 (31,021 posts)

57. Buy him a NRA membership in honor of Kyle Rittenhouse, another juvenile killer who later celebrated.

Buy him a NRA membership in honor of Kyle Rittenhouse, another juvenile killer who later celebrated.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 02:46 PM

sarisataka (15,554 posts)

64. My sense of fairness says

If a white kid can get out on bail, a black kid should have the same opportunity.

I think however calling what the photos show as "hosting a party" is really stretching.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:21 PM

NH Ethylene (30,549 posts)

75. Damn! When will I learn that headlines are 'rigged'?

Yeah, I don't see a party in those photos.

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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 05:07 PM

alfredo (59,816 posts)

69. Texas wanted assurances that the gun was unscathed

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Sat Oct 9, 2021, 01:20 AM

tonekat (1,568 posts)

77. Yeah, I want more than

...a one sentence explanation of what went on there. I can wait for a nuanced review.

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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 12:15 PM

Devil Child (2,728 posts)

82. That is some serious privilege in action

Peacefully arrested, granted bond for 3 counts of attempted murder, home to party. Must be nice for the attempted killer.

Speedy recovery to the wounded, let the shooter rot in prison.

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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 12:57 PM

sarisataka (15,554 posts)