A man died after getting attacked by bystanders when he drove his car onto a sidewalk in attempts to

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Source: CNN

A man died after driving onto a sidewalk in attempts to strike pedestrians before bystanders pulled him out of the car and allegedly attacked him in California Saturday.

The driver was involved in a verbal altercation around midnight inside a business in Hawthorne, after which he was asked to leave, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department (LASD) said in a news release. Hawthorne is about 15 miles from Los Angeles.
The man left but returned and drove his truck onto the sidewalk, nearly hitting multiple people, according to the release. He eventually lost control of his car and struck a tree.

Bystanders then tried to pull the man out of his truck but he was able to speed away before crashing into a building. The bystanders then pulled him out the car and a "physical altercation ensued," the release said.

"Hawthorne Police officers saw the driver lying on the ground, suffering what appeared to be blunt force trauma," the LASD said. "Paramedics provided life-saving measures, but he was pronounced deceased on scene."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/us/california-man-dies-drives-sidewalk-beaten-pedestrian/index.html

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Hate begets hate.

[keopeli]

1. WTF?! Is this the new civil war that's already happening? I've never heard of anything like this.

[bringthePaine]

21. realz! murderous coward gets "stand your ground"ed by hand, big damn deal...

[Ritabert]

3. People are fed up with this acting up by drivers

How about the 16 y.o. who hit the 6 cyclists in Texas after "rolling coal" at them? Perhaps the perps will consider their actions if they're going to face vigilante justice.

[Walleye]

6. "Rolling coal" that they have a nickname for it shows how sick they are

[NullTuples]

15. Rolling Coal refers to intentionally spewing diesel particulate exhaust while passing someone

- not running them over.

Still nasty, still violent, still an intentional assault.

[Walleye]

16. Oh yes. I got it. It sounds like they make a practice of it. Diesel stinks

[Ritabert]

19. The kid was 16 and says he lost control while

....rolling coal over the second set of riders. Also illegal tampering with the exhaust system to produce the black exhaust. I would sue the parents.

[snort]

25. It's not the exhaust system that does it

it's intentional over fueling of the engine. Those guys are real jackasses.

[NullTuples]

27. They truly are, and cyclists are a frequent target of theirs

[appleannie1]

29. He would not have 'lost control' if he had not been "rolling coal".

[Escurumbele]

4. This is so disturbing on all sides...this is trump's and republican legacy, this is awful, sad

We are becoming a Neanderthal society, so much hate, so much violence, and none of it makes sense.

Very sad indeed...Something has to break, the so called rule of law must fall upon those who have created this atmosphere of hate and violence.

I was reading about a case that happened in Venezuela, this guy had been committing crimes in a barrio, the barrio became so upset that one day they caught him, they tied him to a post then burned him alive...Is that where we are going?

[Ritabert]

20. People do have a breaking point

How many times do they see criminals get away with their crimes before the public takes vengeance.

[Coventina]

46. Hey now, don't slander Neandertals!

From what archaeologists and anthropologists have been able to piece together, Homo neanderthalensis was a much more gentle species than homo sapiens has ever been. In fact, we killed likely them off....

[WHITT]

5. 'Physical Altercation Ensued'

Defense against a domestic terrorist attack.

Hopefully, it will be a deterrent.

[Marthe48]

9. If someone attacks you with a vehicle

It should be right to defend yourself and others.

[RobinA]

32. Dragging Someone

out of their car and beating them to death is not defending yourself. If the cops did this people on here would be screaming their heads off.

[forgotmylogin]

38. Could he have suffered "blunt force trauma" when he drove into the tree?

And then a building?

[oldsoftie]

43. Sounds legit to me!

I remember 60 Mins did a story YEARS ago about a guy in some town in Missouri. He was a menace, bully, you name it. The cops were even scared of him apparently. And one day he was dispatched right in the middle of town. Nobody saw anything.

https://www.insideedition.com/the-unsolved-murder-of-missouri-town-bully-ken-rex-mcelroy-no-one-saw-a-thing-54856

[Marthe48]

47. If he was out of control and people were reacting to his repeated attacks

I can see everyone involved going too far. The article doesn't say cops were involved, just an out-of-control individual who kept on coming. If he died by someone's hand, there are probably phone videos or security footage, and people will get charged.

Remember the Luby Restaurant mass killing in 1991? That mass shooter drove his truck through the front window of the restaurant and killed 23 people and wounded 27 more. I don't want to see mob violence like this, no one does, but when people are seeing mass killings over and over, I can see a breaking point and a kill-or-be-killed reaction happening more and more often.

Recently here, a man shot at his wife. I just heard that he was in a local business after trying to shoot her and before the police arrested him. He was belligerent and demanding service. One of the employees was able to calm the guy down and get him to exit the building without incident. Unfortunately for the dead person in the o.p. there was no one involved who had the presence of mind to try talking.

[LiberatedUSA]

11. The next driver will shoot those trying to pull them out.

[C Moon]

7. If the bystanders are white MAGA's they'll get a stern warning for murder (call it self-defense),

if they aren't white republicans, they'll be charged for murder.

[Ritabert]

23. The driver was Hispanic

....and the crowd may been also.

[C Moon]

41. I wasn't talking about the driver. I was talking about the crowd.

I was making a point: that if this happened to white MAGAs they would be let off. So, if the bystanders were Hispanic, they will most likely be charged.

[oldsoftie]

44. Check back with us when you see people charged.

I doubt anyone will get bit for taking out an attempted murderer

[orleans]

8. there was a thread about this the other night

i was guessing it could have stemmed from a bar fight or something pertaining to a denny's grand slam (considering the lateness of the hour it all took place)

someone on that thread looked up the street address and found this bar

good job--whoever that was!

on edit: dailymail has photo of the 40 yr old "dad of four"
looks like a security guard? idk
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10080269/California-dad-four-40-pulled-truck-beaten-death.html

[SWBTATTReg]

13. Thanks for the FYI.

[packman]

10. How is this "Latest Breaking News?"- happened days ago on Saturday

[SWBTATTReg]

12. So now we have copycats that are running off the streets, w/ their vehicles in

attempts to hit protesters/pedestrians (due to some provocation at an earlier business) because they obviously have anger issues among other things. This is seemingly so typical of a trump mob.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, regardless of the actual facts on the ground, regardless if all are innocent, MAGAs will drive their massive weapons of choice into crowds, trying to inflict as much bodily damage to others before they are caught or whatever, more concerned w/ obtaining the adorning gazes of trump and the trump mob for their carnage.

What indeed, perilous times we live in. Be safe all.

[LeftInTX]

40. Alcohol was involved, probably on both sides. Happened outside a bar

Santos was fighting with bar patrons and asked to leave. They were fighting outside. He got in his vehicle, then drove toward the people he was fighting with, then hit a tree, then hit a building. Then the people he was fighting with pulled him out of the vehicle.

The authorities say Santos was removed from the bar following a verbal altercation. Sheriff's officials say Hawthorne Police then began to receive calls at around 12:08 a.m. reporting that Santos was driving his pickup truck on the sidewalk attempting to hit people outside the bar.

At some stage, it is claimed that Santos lost control of his car and collided with a tree. That was the point at which the LASD say a group outside the bar attempted to pull him from the vehicle.

"Surrounding patrons attempted to take the driver out of the vehicle, but the driver was able to accelerate and drove his truck into a nearby building," a statement given by the department to the news outlet said.

"Patrons again took the driver out of the vehicle, and a physical altercation ensued, at this time Hawthorne police officers arrived on scene."https://www.newsweek.com/california-melguin-lopez-santos-beaten-death-hawthorne-1637474

[ananda]

14. You know, color me jaded, but...

I just can't get too excited about potential homicide
victims getting fucking angry at the person who
tried to kill them.

[Ritabert]

24. I agree

[localroger]

17. His Karma ran over his dogma, for real. /nt

[Sneederbunk]

18. Tough crowd.

[barbtries]

22. eek.

I'm from there.

maybe one of the worst things trump did to america was make it mean. Cruelty is a delight to too many people anymore. My son says it's always been this way, but I think it's much worse now.

[Elessar Zappa]

31. Not worse, I don't think.

Think of the slave days or the pre-1960s South where black people were routinely lynched while white folks had picnics and took souvenir pictures.

[barbtries]

42. that is true.

humans have always been shits to each other. I guess i've led a sheltered life.

[NoMoreRepugs]

26. When someone attempts to intentionally hit you with a pickup truck and you retaliate

isn't that defending yourself or standing your ground?? I'm old school and an old Marine - I am not surprised at what happened.

[RobinA]

34. Retaliation

and defending yourself are two entirely different things. Civilized people don’t retaliate, that’s why we gave laws.

[NoMoreRepugs]

36. I enjoy the diversity of opinion here at DU.

[appleannie1]

28. What goes around comes around.

Did he have a flag attached to his truck?

[kytngirl]

30. We are becoming a lawless society.

Sure the man was definitely wrong in trying to run over pedestrians because he had anger issues. But the people who beat him to death also have anger issues. When a person is beaten to death there is lots of blood. I cannot fathom hitting, kicking, punching, stomping someone until they die - even if he did try to run over me.

Nothing wrong with them yanking him out of the car and holding him until police arrive, which I think they should have done. They were a lawless mob.

We, as a society, are teaching our children to be lawless as well. Look at the political climate. Folks are ignoring subpoenas! And nothing is going to be done about it. I cannot wrap my head around this fact. There was a time when a subpoena meant you were summoned and you had to go or you would sit in jail until you complied. It was just that simple. That is the law of the land. Well, it used to be the law of the land. Now a subpoena doesn't mean anything. Folks will go on national TV and say, "I'm ignoring it." This is what are children are learning now about the law of the land. It means nothing.

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

39. We are a lawful society when...

...we can rely on the law to do what it's supposed to do; deter and punish crimes.

But men are mudered over loose cigarretes, and given an impromptu firing squads for running away frightened. The police have becone judges, juries and executioners, then excuse themselves that it's justified, and are let go to do it again and again. And the courts give favorable outcomes directly proportional to a participant's wealth, right or wrong, and fail to punish the guilty.

We give up our natural rights & instincts to defend or punish for ourselves because it so hard to do fairly. So we give over these functions to systems of enforcement and justice so that all may be treated fairly. But we haven't been treated fairly, and more and more we know it. As individuals and a society it's transactional: we (the people) - don't pursue and punish wrongdoers ourselves IF you (law enforcement & courts)- do it in our stead.

When we have given up more than we gain, there will be a breaking point and some will turn to anarchy. A socity under a corrupt system will feel more and like we are under an occupying force, of our fellow citizens.


"Remember what the thought is, I brought all this
So you can survive when law is lawless
Feeling sensations that you thought were dead
No squealin' remember that it's (all in your head)."
Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood

[lunatica]

33. It was simply Self defense!

Screw him! He tried to kill them and they stopped him.

[RobinA]

35. Nice

liberal attitude there.

[sarisataka]

37. We are against vigilante justice

until we are not.

Now if someone had shot the driver instead of beating him to death....

[oldsoftie]

45. HA!

[Omaha Steve]

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