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BumRushDaShow

(128,527 posts)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:33 PM Oct 2021

FDA authorizes first e-cigarette, cites benefit for smokers

Source: AP


FILE - This Wednesday, June 18, 2014 file photo shows VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarette packaging during a launch event held by R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company in Philadelphia. On Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2021, heath officials authorized the first electronic cigarettes in the U.S., saying R.J. Reynolds vaping products can benefit adult smokers. (Mark Stehle/AP Images for R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company, File)

WASHINGTON (AP) — For the first time, the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday authorized an electronic cigarette, saying R.J. Reynolds’ vaping device can help smokers cut back on conventional cigarettes. E-cigarettes have been sold in the U.S. for more than a decade with minimal government oversight or research. Facing a court deadline, the FDA has been conducting a sweeping review of vaping products to determine which ones should be allowed to remain on the market.The agency said in September it had rejected applications for more than a million e-cigarettes and related products, mainly due to their potential appeal to underage teens.

But regulators delayed making decisions on most of the major vaping companies, including market leader Juul, which is still pending. Tuesday’s decision only applies to Vuse’s Solo e-cigarette and its tobacco-flavored nicotine cartridges. The agency said data from the company showed the e-cigarette helped smokers significantly reduce their use of cigarettes. While the products can now be legally sold in the U.S., the FDA stressed they are neither safe nor “FDA approved,” and that people who don’t smoke shouldn’t use them. Launched in 2013, Vuse Solo is a rechargeable metallic device that is shaped like a traditional cigarette. The FDA said it rejected 10 other requests from the company for other flavored products, but did not disclose details. The agency is still reviewing the company’s request to sell a menthol-flavored nicotine formula.

“Today’s authorizations are an important step toward ensuring all new tobacco products undergo the FDA’s robust, scientific premarket evaluation,” said Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA’s tobacco center, in a statement. “The manufacturer’s data demonstrates its tobacco-flavored products could benefit addicted adult smokers who switch to these products – either completely or with a significant reduction in cigarette consumption.” E-cigarettes first appeared in the U.S. around 2007 with the promise of providing smokers with a less harmful alternative to smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes. The devices heat a nicotine solution in a vapor that’s inhaled.

But there has been little rigorous study of whether e-cigarettes truly help smokers quit. And efforts by the FDA to begin vetting vaping products and their claims were repeatedly slowed by industry lobbying and competing political interests. In recent years, the vaping market grew to include hundreds of companies selling an array of devices and nicotine solutions in various flavors and strengths. But the vast majority of the market is controlled by a few companies including Juul Labs, which is partially owned by Altria, and Vuse.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/technology-science-business-health-126c438648d433fdfe987c397e576b26



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FDA authorizes first e-cigarette, cites benefit for smokers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 OP
I smoked for 50 years and... S/V Loner Oct 2021 #1
Same here SoCalNative Oct 2021 #3
I have no cravings to go back to cigarettes. S/V Loner Oct 2021 #13
yep. me too. nt BootinUp Oct 2021 #21
Me too. 8 years next January 9th. displacedtexan Oct 2021 #26
They are not safe. Aussie105 Oct 2021 #2
Where have I read that before? OilemFirchen Oct 2021 #4
They may be useful as a means to an end BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #5
When you say 'not impressed', do you mean the doc has done comprehensive before/after testing? Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #9
Well for starters The FDA itself BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #12
"FDA says vaping is no safer than smoking" ... where do they say that? Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #14
Your addiction it talking BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #15
So you got nothing ... but the proverbial sound and fury Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #17
No... BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #20
Vaping is much better than smoking. Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #22
Other than exactly the nature of the food-grade flavoring in what I vape Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #8
They did find a test group- LunaSea Oct 2021 #29
Thanks, I'd be keen to read it if you have a link :) nt Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #30
If I vape, I'll smoke, and chew, and use the patch, sometimes all at once SouthernDem4ever Oct 2021 #6
Someone has been bought. Q.E.D. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #7
"makes clear the degree of damage this product causes" Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #10
Non existant. don't hold thy breath. nt BootinUp Oct 2021 #19
I love it! LiberatedUSA Oct 2021 #16
Big tobacco has never been found to tell the truth about any product they pedal. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #23
I don't have an addiction. LiberatedUSA Oct 2021 #25
+ 1 RamblingRose Oct 2021 #27
No Thanks MiniMe Oct 2021 #11
This news kind of made my day. nt BootinUp Oct 2021 #18
I KNEW IT Withywindle Oct 2021 #24
I Bet They Promised To Include Vuse Money In Their MSA Payments. ruet Oct 2021 #28

S/V Loner

(8,998 posts)
1. I smoked for 50 years and...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:03 PM
Oct 2021

I haven't had a cigarette in 5 years thanks to vaping. Obviously it isn't the best option but it is the right option for me.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
3. Same here
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:16 PM
Oct 2021

smoked for almost 30 years, quit for 7, then started again due to stress and kept doing so for 3+ years, until I started using the Juul device and the regular tobacco flavored disposable cartridges.

Maybe not for everyone but I haven't had or wanted a regular cigarette in over 2 years.

S/V Loner

(8,998 posts)
13. I have no cravings to go back to cigarettes.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:21 PM
Oct 2021

I am sure I also do it due to stress. I tell people I am self medicating.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
26. Me too. 8 years next January 9th.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 09:00 AM
Oct 2021

A combination of Bupropion & tobacco flavor vaping has worked for me. Tapered off the Bupropion in a year and reduced the nicotine level down to 3% last year.
Now I don't even take the vape pen when I go out or travel. No more panic, and real cigarettes smell awful to me.

Aussie105

(5,334 posts)
2. They are not safe.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:06 PM
Oct 2021

I don't care if Big Tobacco or any Big Business say they are safe.

I don't care if the FDA approves. (Way too much politics involved there.)

I'd like to know what is in them.

Breathe some vape on a mirror and look at the sticky mess it leaves.

Skin patches to deliver nicotine if you are an addict are safer. Or the gum.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
4. Where have I read that before?
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:23 PM
Oct 2021

Oh. From the article:

"...the FDA stressed they are neither safe nor “FDA approved,” and that people who don’t smoke shouldn’t use them."

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
5. They may be useful as a means to an end
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:38 PM
Oct 2021

But as a substitute? I doubt it’s much better. My ex-son in-law went from smoking to vaping like a chimney. His cardiopulmonary physician is not impressed. But like I said, it may be a great exit ramp for smokers.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. When you say 'not impressed', do you mean the doc has done comprehensive before/after testing?
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:13 PM
Oct 2021

What tests, and over what time period?

Why do you 'doubt' it's much better?

There's 70+ years of evidence that smoking tobacco causes cancer, emphysema/COPD, and a number of other serious conditions.

Vaping has existed for 14 years and there's currently no evidence of any deadly results. Addiction is for real, to be sure. But that's all we know for sure.

So you're guessing.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
12. Well for starters The FDA itself
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:18 PM
Oct 2021

Says vaping is no safer than smoking and that people who do not smoke should not start vaping. So, by extension I could say the FDA is not impressed with vaping as a long term solution. But go ahead and be a doubting Thomas. No skin off my nose.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. "FDA says vaping is no safer than smoking" ... where do they say that?
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:29 PM
Oct 2021

"and that people who do not smoke should not start vaping"

Well, duh. Obviously

You referred to a specific doctor you know of 'being unimpressed' by a patients switch from smoking to vaping, so I asked a simple question about that particular situation ... do you have any actual details there?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
20. No...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:20 PM
Oct 2021

If you took the time to actually read the article this thread is about you would see the FDA’s position on vaping in black and white. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
22. Vaping is much better than smoking.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:23 PM
Oct 2021

I know what my lung capacity was when I was smoking and what it is now. I’ve been vaping for 5 years. Yes, it has nicotine but that’s pretty much it. My doctor was glad I quit smoking and told me she isn’t concerned about vaping.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Other than exactly the nature of the food-grade flavoring in what I vape
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:10 PM
Oct 2021

I know exactly what is 'in it'.

Vape fluid is Vegetable Glycerin (60-100%), Propylene Glycol(40-0%), Nicotine (0 to 12mg/L), and food flavoring.

There's no mystery other than the flavoring.

The 'sticky mess' is vegetable glycerin. It has some slippery, oil-like qualities but is devoid of actual lipids ... basically it's vegetable oil with all the fat/oil removed.

Nobody knows for sure yet it's 'safe' ... so when you say 'they are not safe' ... the reality is ... you don't know that.

It's addictive though, no question there.

LunaSea

(2,892 posts)
29. They did find a test group-
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:26 PM
Oct 2021

Theatrical workers who have long exposure to "fog machines" that vaporize the same glycerin/glycol formula to make smokey effects or to enhance lighting found the stuff is no good for you in large heavy doses daily for hours at a time. Smaller periodic levels showed little risk as I recollect.

I came across the info while looking into buying an e-cig device.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
6. If I vape, I'll smoke, and chew, and use the patch, sometimes all at once
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:47 PM
Oct 2021

so no, I had to quit Nicotine completely - way too addictive for me.

Ford_Prefect

(7,873 posts)
7. Someone has been bought. Q.E.D.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:52 PM
Oct 2021

There IS evidence not in the U.S. that makes clear the degree of damage this product causes. Big Tobacco hasn't gone away. They now dress up in a different suit and pretend to be customer conscious.

They are a billions of dollars business with no stake in getting clean at all. This is one more hook to catch victims on and Nothing else.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
16. I love it!
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:43 PM
Oct 2021

“We can’t stand you damn dirty smokers!”

“We have a smokeless way to quit, so you don’t have to yell at us.”

“Gosh damn it, yelling at you is what gets us through the day, so we are opposed to your damn vaping. We need you smokers smoking so we can scream about you smoking!”

Ford_Prefect

(7,873 posts)
23. Big tobacco has never been found to tell the truth about any product they pedal.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 12:37 AM
Oct 2021

That isn't my opinion that is the record.

If this product eases your sense of addiction good for you.

They didn't spend millions to help you. They have only one goal as has been proven by decades of testimony in their own records. They are ruthless, they are enormously wealthy and influence governments in much the same way that the MIC does.

Like Big Pharma they have for too much influence over those who make significant decisions about their products and conduct. If this product is such a boon why do they insist on being the only purveyor? Why have they spent millions of today's money to offer so many options that are not such a boon? They sell one product that used as directed is fatal to the user by intention and design.

My wife died because of this. I have no trust to offer them. Your addiction is your problem. I trust them no more than I do the Columbian Cocaine cartels for exactly the same reasons. There is a point where a repeatedly proven liar bears no option to be believed.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
25. I don't have an addiction.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 06:07 AM
Oct 2021

I stopped smoking in 2012 about six months after switching e-smoking. Helps one quit while being able to mimic the smoking actions which is part of the addiction.

Yelling at smokers is fun. The less smokers, the less fun. The more ways to quit, the less smokers. Hence, vaping must go so we can get our anger fix. “You damn dirty, smokers!”

MiniMe

(21,709 posts)
11. No Thanks
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:16 PM
Oct 2021

I smoked for almost 50 years, quit cold turkey 3 years ago thanks to a quadruple bypass. Haven't been tempted since, and won't go back to it. Not trying to get anybody else to quit and never thought I would quit cold turkey, but that's my story

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
24. I KNEW IT
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 01:01 AM
Oct 2021

The crackdown on indie vape shops and flavored vape juice manufacturers has nothing to do with protecting teens and EVERYTHING to do with clearing the market for a goddamn RJ REYNOLDS product.

What do you want to bet it'll be prohibitively expensive?

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