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TheProle

(2,210 posts)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:39 PM Oct 2021

'There will be things that people can't get,' at Christmas, White House warns

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - White House officials, scrambling to relieve global supply bottlenecks choking U.S. ports, highways and railways, warn that Americans may face higher prices and some empty shelves this Christmas season.

The supply crisis, driven in part by the global COVID-19 pandemic, not only threatens to dampen U.S. spending at a critical time, it also poses a political risk for President Joe Biden.

The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows the economy continues to be the most important issue for Democrats and Republicans alike.

The White House has been trying to tackle inflation-inducing supply bottlenecks of everything from meat to semiconductors, and formed a task force in June that meets weekly and named a "bottleneck" czar to push private-sector companies to ease snarls.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/americans-may-not-get-some-christmas-treats-white-house-officials-warn-2021-10-12/

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'There will be things that people can't get,' at Christmas, White House warns (Original Post) TheProle Oct 2021 OP
Unfortunately whomever in the White House gets this blame. underpants Oct 2021 #1
No matter who was in the White House forthemiddle Oct 2021 #7
not the way of the world in media stillcool Oct 2021 #20
The blame goes to the fools who keep wnylib Oct 2021 #46
With global supply bottlenecks stretching into the future BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #2
We had a "Made in America" program for awhile jimfields33 Oct 2021 #3
I think we were seduced by the cost of made in China BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #5
For sure. I'm surprised that so many do not realize that much of jimfields33 Oct 2021 #10
We are all guilty to some degree BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #9
My solution has always been "Made in my little craft room". calimary Oct 2021 #41
That's true and very good. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #44
I agree OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #45
Well, it's "Pinecone World" around here so I'm really goin' to town! calimary Oct 2021 #51
I have an auntie who makes things for all of us Unwind Your Mind Oct 2021 #53
My recent thought also. sprinkleeninow Oct 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #6
I think that is changing now that the workers are calling BS on that model. BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #19
Maybe is time to shop small, shop local. BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #25
Not exactly a comforting thought, but I sure do get it. BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #28
I avoided shopping local since the 2020 election Marthe48 Oct 2021 #34
Buying American doesn't mean supporting Fascists but I hear you. BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #35
You forgot an important part of that.... paleotn Oct 2021 #29
Sounds good, but extemely difficult to do. paleotn Oct 2021 #27
I was thinking about 'just in time' stocking too Marthe48 Oct 2021 #31
Yep. JIT has been gospel for 30 years paleotn Oct 2021 #33
I guess we've been naughty jpak Oct 2021 #8
Perhaps this is a blessing. cloudbase Oct 2021 #11
Time to wind back on the holidays consumerism fever? Aussie105 Oct 2021 #12
Yes that would be. underpants Oct 2021 #14
Read a great book back in the 90's BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #18
All I want for xmas is a steady supply of fuel and electricity during the hardest part of winter yaesu Oct 2021 #13
That would certainly work for me after my experience.. ananda Oct 2021 #36
and coffee. nt orleans Oct 2021 #40
And beer, lucky we do make that here, nt Unwind Your Mind Oct 2021 #58
This is no surprise...I've been seeing shortages / shelves empty at the hardware store for quite ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #22
Perhaps Mexico and/or Canada could but I doubt that they have the infrastructure to ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #49
Maybe we just gather at the holidays... EarthFirst Oct 2021 #21
Would love that! Marthe48 Oct 2021 #57
OMG!!111!! WOn't someone please think of the children!!???/11?/) PSPS Oct 2021 #24
It's all Rebl2 Oct 2021 #26
Demand might not be as robust as a normal holiday season because bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #30
We should remember antique shops, flea markets and thrift stores Marthe48 Oct 2021 #32
Good idea! One that should gain more acceptance, since it solves several problems, IMHO. SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #48
I thought of gift cards, too Marthe48 Oct 2021 #52
That's a good idea, a kind of a 'gag gift' for XMAS event, so you'll still have fun over the ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #56
What no fruitcake. Historic NY Oct 2021 #37
I want tRump and his corrupt pals to go directly to jail... BigmanPigman Oct 2021 #38
The GQP will blame Dems and claim we are once again waging a war on Xmas Bristlecone Oct 2021 #39
How will we possibly survive without our plastic Christmas trees and flammable stockings Vinca Oct 2021 #42
Local Home Depot Deminpenn Oct 2021 #43
Any Xmas jingles over the store music yet? Aussie105 Oct 2021 #50
LOL. Not yet Deminpenn Oct 2021 #59
They've done that since before Covid though nt maryellen99 Oct 2021 #54
True Deminpenn Oct 2021 #60
"'bottleneck' czar"? ruet Oct 2021 #55

underpants

(182,992 posts)
1. Unfortunately whomever in the White House gets this blame.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:42 PM
Oct 2021

Fox is heavy on blaming him. The first 10 months nites I saw was about nothing but gas prices and empty shelves

forthemiddle

(1,383 posts)
7. No matter who was in the White House
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:47 PM
Oct 2021

They would get the blame. Even though it’s not their fault, it’s the ups an downs of politics.
If the economy, and if life was great Biden would get the cudos.
It is the way of the world. Not going to change that.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
2. With global supply bottlenecks stretching into the future
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:42 PM
Oct 2021

Maybe it’s time to start making things in the US again.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
5. I think we were seduced by the cost of made in China
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:46 PM
Oct 2021

Without thinking about the total price of buying from China.

jimfields33

(16,073 posts)
10. For sure. I'm surprised that so many do not realize that much of
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:49 PM
Oct 2021

China’s products are made by children. I’m of course guilty due to buying things but I’m surprised it doesn’t get more attention.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
16. We are all guilty to some degree
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:19 PM
Oct 2021

But let’s face it, until recently work conditions in China have been hidden from the average consumer. Now would be a great time to look to our own country to make more of the stuff we consume.

Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

calimary

(81,565 posts)
41. My solution has always been "Made in my little craft room".
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 07:22 AM
Oct 2021

Handmade gifts have always struck me as the best kind. Besides, you never have to worry about duplication.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,195 posts)
45. I agree
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:08 AM
Oct 2021

And, there is another benefit to that practice. If you wish to really see someone's true feelings, give them a nice, hand-made gift. If you get the 'OMGs, this is awesome!' or some exaggerated reply, or if you get that half-interested smile and thanks, keep it in mind. Because nothing says 'I want things that allow me to compensate for this tiny appendage so I can wave it in front of everyone!' like that half smile and dry thanks you get when you give them something that you put real time and effort into. But hey, you get to practice your hand-made card making skills then.

calimary

(81,565 posts)
51. Well, it's "Pinecone World" around here so I'm really goin' to town!
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 09:24 AM
Oct 2021

I’ve collected bags of ‘em. And I’m well-armed with glue guns! And Christmas is coming!

If you make someone a handmade gift, you can always be pretty sure they’re not already gonna have one.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,042 posts)
53. I have an auntie who makes things for all of us
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:35 AM
Oct 2021

Quilting mostly, she knows everyone’s colors and is so thoughtful.

I’m in evacuation land here in CA and my treasure box contains several of her creations.

It’s a wonderful thing 💕💕

Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #2)

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
17. I think that is changing now that the workers are calling BS on that model.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:23 PM
Oct 2021

Workers have real value and putting money into their hands feeds the nations economy. It’s not trickle down - it’s a bottom up economy. Always has been, always will be.

Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #17)

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
23. Maybe is time to shop small, shop local.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:33 PM
Oct 2021

The things we used to think of as advantages of the big box store now seem not so great. Maybe starving the monster is possible, even necessary.

Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #23)

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
28. Not exactly a comforting thought, but I sure do get it.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:47 PM
Oct 2021

FWIW - I have a washer/dryer that are made in America. Same goes for my dishwasher. My fridge was made in Canada I call that close enough. But I sure see you’re point. Tell people to shop local and they think sand candles. 😉

I have nothing against a global marketplace as long as it doesn’t get abused to drive down wages and worker rights. But there must be some way to reclaim some of our manufacturing base here at home. I see the idea of a global minimum corporate tax has been endorsed - maybe that will help.

Marthe48

(17,090 posts)
34. I avoided shopping local since the 2020 election
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:27 PM
Oct 2021

79% of my county voted for traitor. I don't want to give them my money!

Staying home because of Covid is my 2nd reason for not going into local shops.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
35. Buying American doesn't mean supporting Fascists but I hear you.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:30 PM
Oct 2021

You describe my situation to a tee. But there are still options for buying American made stuff and avoiding the big box stores - which mostly also support right wing politicians.

paleotn

(18,003 posts)
29. You forgot an important part of that....
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:48 PM
Oct 2021

American consumers are use to cheap prices and the near zero inflation driven by low and lower cost producers. Getting the average Jill and Joe to pony up more for the good of the country is a tough sell. Hell, we can't even get them to wear freaking masks during a pandemic.

paleotn

(18,003 posts)
27. Sounds good, but extemely difficult to do.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:45 PM
Oct 2021

Globalized production and supply chain systems took years to build and will take years to unravel. Lots of products and their component parts haven't been made anywhere in the US in decades, so the capital infrastructure would have to be rebuilt. That's difficult, expensive and time consuming even if you can get producers to go along. Biggest problem of all is getting Americans use to higher prices after decades of cheap and cheaper from leaned out supply chains connecting low cost producers. The "better quality" paradigm of the 90's and 00's doesn't work anymore as foreign producers in many industries churn out products just as good and sometimes better than their American counterparts from 40 years ago. It's a tangled web we've weaved all these year and won't get unwound anytime soon.

Marthe48

(17,090 posts)
31. I was thinking about 'just in time' stocking too
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:16 PM
Oct 2021

There used to be warehouses and items were stocked way ahead. Then to save money, companies stopped having extensive warehouses, or stockrooms. I think that's another reason things are scarce. I wasn't crazy about that idea when I learned about it.

I live in Ohio and the number of closed factories and abandoned farms is a heartache.

I collect antiques and have learned a lot of history of production. Ohio is full of the clay and sand that made high quality glass. At one time, companies in Ohio made half of the world's supply of dinnerware. Most of the cities up and down the Ohio River, on both sides had glass, pottery and china factories. There were also places that made clothes. All gone. Towns also had brick makers, lumber yards, other specialized factories where you could actually buy useful local items.

Even when things were made in the U.S., people still bought the same exact item from somewhere else and had it shipped to the location they wanted. Even now, I see barges up and down the Ohio River all the time, literally shipping coal to Newcastle. River gravel from up around Wheeling WV sent down to a paving company in Marietta, which also has river gravel. From the same river :/


paleotn

(18,003 posts)
33. Yep. JIT has been gospel for 30 years
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:24 PM
Oct 2021

It works well in stable conditions, but conditions are rarely stable for long.

cloudbase

(5,526 posts)
11. Perhaps this is a blessing.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:55 PM
Oct 2021

Movement away from the huge commercial aspect of the holidays might not be such a bad thing.

Aussie105

(5,478 posts)
12. Time to wind back on the holidays consumerism fever?
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:00 PM
Oct 2021

I approve!

Sometimes 'want' and 'need' are not the same. Most of the time, really.

underpants

(182,992 posts)
14. Yes that would be.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:11 PM
Oct 2021

But let’s remember that people had a free life saver and were manipulated to refuse it.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
18. Read a great book back in the 90's
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:26 PM
Oct 2021

Called “Unplug the Christmas Machine” still an excellent read - it’s totally changed our family’s Christmas traditions.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
13. All I want for xmas is a steady supply of fuel and electricity during the hardest part of winter
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:00 PM
Oct 2021

with no outages, so people don't freeze to death.

ananda

(28,892 posts)
36. That would certainly work for me after my experience..
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:32 PM
Oct 2021

with the Texas deep freeze last February.

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
15. This is no surprise...I've been seeing shortages / shelves empty at the hardware store for quite ...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:12 PM
Oct 2021

some time, like some have said, perhaps it's a good thing (kind of reduce the rampart commercialism) and if things were so critical to a business' operating mode/revenue, then perhaps they should have looked into other supply channels, perhaps developed in-house suppliers / manufacturing in the US, and/or other options that don't rely on so many factors in getting their merchandise into the hands of retailers in time for the holidays ... I think folks are going to give Biden a wide latitude being he's got so much to repair from the damages inflicted by rump's admin. (lack of adequate steps undertaken by the trump admin., tariffs right and left because rump had a temper fit, etc., etc., etc.).

Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #15)

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
47. Perhaps Mexico and/or Canada could but I doubt that they have the infrastructure to ...
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:16 AM
Oct 2021

handle such volumes, otherwise wouldn't the powers that be, have already done this? Sure, transport costs would have gone up (shipping via trucks to the USA if offloaded in Canada or Mexico), but when the retailers are getting 5 or 6 times what they paid for the Chinese goods (or other such countries) for resale in the USA, they have plenty of margin to cost these additional costs, I would think.

Of course w/ COVID and border restrictions, even this option may be up in the air.

Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #47)

EarthFirst

(2,905 posts)
21. Maybe we just gather at the holidays...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:29 PM
Oct 2021

Share a meal; conversation; and relish in the moment of being in good company without the corporate leash?

PSPS

(13,628 posts)
24. OMG!!111!! WOn't someone please think of the children!!???/11?/)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:37 PM
Oct 2021

This is exhibit one of "first world problems" if any were ever needed. Geesh.

bucolic_frolic

(43,447 posts)
30. Demand might not be as robust as a normal holiday season because
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:56 PM
Oct 2021

large parts of the populace has been at home and shopping online for 18 months. Only mitigating factor I can think of is inheritance money from all the COVID fatalities. MAGA doesn't mourn much, I would think. I mean if they have no empathy for us, what do they think of their own?

Marthe48

(17,090 posts)
32. We should remember antique shops, flea markets and thrift stores
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:21 PM
Oct 2021

and other sources of pre-owned items that might make gifts for Christmas. My family is okay getting vintage items as gifts. It would be hard to find small appliances or electronics in good condition, but it's a thought.

I have seen advice for the last month to shop early. My daughter bought Christmas presents to send along with a relative, first so she had gifts, second so she didn't have to rely on USPS to get them there. That was a nightmare last year and it won't be any better this year. BTW, if anyone wants to get me a present, I'll take dejoy in prison, please.

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
48. Good idea! One that should gain more acceptance, since it solves several problems, IMHO.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:19 AM
Oct 2021

Also another alternative is simply cash or a gift card (one w/ no expiration date) that could be used at one's pleasure (when they finally find the good(s) they want.

Marthe48

(17,090 posts)
52. I thought of gift cards, too
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:30 AM
Oct 2021

I usually get in-laws gift cards, which they seem to prefer.

I have things in the basement I might give my daughters as prank gifts. I have a new in box hand mixer in avocado green from the 70's and a n-i-b curling iron, which would bring back many funny stories about big hair

SWBTATTReg

(22,191 posts)
56. That's a good idea, a kind of a 'gag gift' for XMAS event, so you'll still have fun over the ...
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 01:59 PM
Oct 2021

holidays, and re-purpose old gifts for new purposes that actually find good homes! Thanks for the laugh and suggestion.

BigmanPigman

(51,649 posts)
38. I want tRump and his corrupt pals to go directly to jail...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 10:00 PM
Oct 2021

that doesn't require any supply chain. Pleeeeeease Santa, please. I have been very, very good this year.

Bristlecone

(10,144 posts)
39. The GQP will blame Dems and claim we are once again waging a war on Xmas
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 10:25 PM
Oct 2021

Just how the circle goes round and round.

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
42. How will we possibly survive without our plastic Christmas trees and flammable stockings
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 07:26 AM
Oct 2021

from China to hang by the fireplace? Will the Trump toilet paper joke gift be available again this year? Oh, the horror of it all.

Aussie105

(5,478 posts)
50. Any Xmas jingles over the store music yet?
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:35 AM
Oct 2021

Only a matter of time if not.

We have abandoned Xmas here.
It's meant to be a religious observance thing.
And we aren't religious.

Vegetarians, so no ham and turkey either.
Skip the hot food.
Just salads - weather gets hot here in Australia at Xmas.

maryellen99

(3,790 posts)
54. They've done that since before Covid though nt
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 12:50 PM
Oct 2021

My husband texted me a picture of the Christmas display at Lowes in September 2019.

Deminpenn

(15,294 posts)
60. True
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:37 AM
Oct 2021

Xmas displays have gotten earlier and earlier over time. Just pointing out that there's xmas stuff available and it's either already out or being put out.

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