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AZLD4Candidate

(5,755 posts)
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:52 PM Oct 2021

Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say

Source: AP

A woman was raped by a stranger on a commuter train in suburban Philadelphia in the presence of other riders who a police official said “should have done something."

Superintendent Timothy Bernhardt of the Upper Darby Police Department said officers were called to the 69th Street terminal around 10 p.m. Wednesday after the assault on the westbound train on the Market-Frankford Line.

An employee of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority who was in the vicinity as the train went past called police to report that “something wasn't right" with a woman aboard the train, Bernhardt said.

SEPTA police waiting at the next stop found the woman and arrested a man. The woman was taken to a hospital.

Read more: https://www.aol.com/news/woman-raped-train-bystanders-did-152752303-170735009.html



Just when things can't get lower. . .does this barrel have no bottom?
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Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say (Original Post) AZLD4Candidate Oct 2021 OP
I wonder if those spectators can be charged with being an accessory? JohnSJ Oct 2021 #1
That was my first thought, if not that should become a law. dewsgirl Oct 2021 #5
That was my first thought, if not that should become a law. dewsgirl Oct 2021 #6
Only if they're black children. plimsoll Oct 2021 #12
Which is the same as saying, Igel Oct 2021 #30
I would say 'no'... appmanga Oct 2021 #16
According to the police report, these bystanders refused to even call 911 JohnSJ Oct 2021 #17
I would have done at least that Tree Lady Oct 2021 #32
Of course JohnSJ Oct 2021 #34
Not a crime unless the state has a law requiring people to even do something as simple as call 911 cstanleytech Oct 2021 #41
'Depraved indifference' is a crime in some states pfitz59 Oct 2021 #18
No. former9thward Oct 2021 #43
If not criminally, I can still see them being liable on a civil basis ck4829 Oct 2021 #67
Something we criticize India and other countries for--bystanders Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #2
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Oct 2021 #27
Some were probably too busy taking pictures to do a damn thing about it. I guess RKP5637 Oct 2021 #3
This was my thought SmittyWerben Oct 2021 #24
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2021 #26
Oh yes, I'm sure a lot of them had their precious iPhones recording The Fifty Stateman Oct 2021 #44
Come On People! scardycat Oct 2021 #4
Kitty Genovese syndrome. No one steps forward... Bucky Oct 2021 #15
The reality of Kitty Genovese's death has been entirely overtaken by the sensationalized news story. Aristus Oct 2021 #20
Early truthiness. n/t Igel Oct 2021 #29
I recall that shocking story and its lengthy aftermath. NH Ethylene Oct 2021 #37
Thank you for sharing that. CBHagman Oct 2021 #58
I read the "real" account. Still wasn't too impressed with the witnesses' behavior. shrike3 Oct 2021 #69
If there were any reasonably fit men in the car then shame on them for sure Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #7
Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #19
I wondered about the cell signal too. n/t NH Ethylene Oct 2021 #38
I read that some of the other passengers recorded the rape on their phones. yardwork Oct 2021 #65
Hard to know exactly what to make of that ... video would be useful for ID/prosecution Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #68
If it were Sunday Ishoutandscream2 Oct 2021 #8
At least the Eagles players didn't do it... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2021 #28
I'm glad he was arrested and she got care. mahina Oct 2021 #9
That's the thing about a zombie apocalypse al bupp Oct 2021 #10
This is not the Philly I know and love, there is too much heartbreak right now Cozmo Oct 2021 #11
Kensington Beach AZLD4Candidate Oct 2021 #21
All women need to carry pepper spray & keep it handy FakeNoose Oct 2021 #13
I once witnessed something along these lines on the Tube in London (although not as serious). Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #14
wretch, puke, vomit... that's how i feel about rapists discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2021 #22
"Look outside the window, JenniferJuniper Oct 2021 #23
It's amazing... 2naSalit Oct 2021 #51
There's a rapist on the train but they report that it is the WOMAN who is "not right." SunSeeker Oct 2021 #25
There's the suggestion the penifer wasn't, either. Igel Oct 2021 #31
Well of course the rapist is not right. Why didn't the train employees describe HIM that way? SunSeeker Oct 2021 #35
So you are angry at the only person who actually did call 911? LisaL Oct 2021 #47
I'm guessing that the 911 call was for the woman's sake. Igel Oct 2021 #53
The rapist didn't run away. He was still on the train. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #55
No, I'm not angry for them calling 911, but for only mentioning the woman as the issue. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #54
You don't even know what was said or mentioned, considering 911 call was not released. LisaL Oct 2021 #61
I'm going by what the police reported the 911 caller said. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #64
Maybe if people didn't scrutinize every word someone said on 911 call, more LisaL Oct 2021 #72
Wow. So you're blaming pointing out sexism for why these sickos didn't call 911? SunSeeker Oct 2021 #75
No, I am saying the goal of 911 call is to get help. LisaL Oct 2021 #76
I am not "blaming" the 911 caller. I am pointing out how pervasive sexism is in our society. SunSeeker Oct 2021 #77
A woman who had been raped would be crying or otherwise attracting notice. NH Ethylene Oct 2021 #39
He was raping her in full view of everyone. I'd say he was attracting attention to himself! SunSeeker Oct 2021 #56
What's going on in philly? vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #33
Predators are adept at picking vulnerable victims. nt SunSeeker Oct 2021 #36
Goddamn it vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #40
There has to be more to this story I mean come on why wouldn't they at least call 911? deizo Oct 2021 #42
I'd think there must've been very few commuters... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2021 #45
No cell signal? NYC Liberal Oct 2021 #48
Absolutely nothing to do with this incident... ExTex Oct 2021 #46
Oh my God. My wife takes SEPTA all the time. NNadir Oct 2021 #49
SMH Solly Mack Oct 2021 #50
Absolutely horrible situation DashOneBravo Oct 2021 #52
I cannot speak about this situation, but it has been more common than rare violent abuse of another msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #57
Anyone who didn't 911 before recording this needs to be charged as an accessory. marble falls Oct 2021 #59
Perhaps they had a very understable fear of being accused of racism due to the nature of attacker cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #60
That seems kind of far fetched. LisaL Oct 2021 #62
Ok, let me put is this way: a scumbag's life means NOTHING while in the commision of raping ... marble falls Oct 2021 #63
That's a bingo Devil Child Oct 2021 #66
Does anyone remember the last episodes of Seinfeld? WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2021 #70
PA doesn't have a "good samaritan" law. LisaL Oct 2021 #71
i know. it just reminded me of how that series ended. WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2021 #73
Yep, Jerry and friends watched a robbery while making jokes, instead of calling for help. LisaL Oct 2021 #74
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest she might've been too shocked or frightened to resist. Bucky Oct 2021 #78
There is a video of the whole incident and it shows that she was trying to push him off, LisaL Oct 2021 #79
So the "did nothing" comment is bullshit? Bucky Oct 2021 #80
Bystanders are the ones who did nothing. LisaL Oct 2021 #81

appmanga

(580 posts)
16. I would say 'no'...
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:27 PM
Oct 2021

...there's no legal obligation to help a person in distress or danger, even if you're a member of law enforcement. That doesn't make this any less shocking or sad. Most people would like to think they would have done something, but having lived in NYC and knowing how situations are not always what they seem, it's hard for me to say what I would have done, much less what someone else should have.

Tree Lady

(11,494 posts)
32. I would have done at least that
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:39 PM
Oct 2021

If I was afraid guy would hurt me, I am a cream puff, could hurt no one.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
41. Not a crime unless the state has a law requiring people to even do something as simple as call 911
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:57 PM
Oct 2021

if they see someone in distress and even then I would not hold out much hope of any conviction surviving the current conservative majority on SCOTUS.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
43. No.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:06 PM
Oct 2021

There is no requirement to stop someone who is breaking a law or even to alert the police a law is being broken.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
2. Something we criticize India and other countries for--bystanders
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:03 PM
Oct 2021

just watching a predator attack a woman in public. Sick and unbelievable.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. Some were probably too busy taking pictures to do a damn thing about it. I guess
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:03 PM
Oct 2021

dialing 911 is just too fucken hard to dial.

 
44. Oh yes, I'm sure a lot of them had their precious iPhones recording
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:15 PM
Oct 2021

Indicator 378 of a country in decline.

scardycat

(169 posts)
4. Come On People!
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:04 PM
Oct 2021

All it would have taken is ONE person to say or do something to help this poor woman and others would follow.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
15. Kitty Genovese syndrome. No one steps forward...
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:24 PM
Oct 2021

...cause they're waiting on someone to step forward.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
20. The reality of Kitty Genovese's death has been entirely overtaken by the sensationalized news story.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:48 PM
Oct 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

Accuracy of original reports
More recent investigations have questioned the original version of events. A 2004 article in The New York Times by Jim Rasenberger, published on the 40th anniversary of Genovese's murder, raised numerous questions about claims in the original Times article. A 2007 study (confirmed in 2014) found many of the purported facts about the murder to be unfounded, stating there was "no evidence for the presence of 38 witnesses, or that witnesses observed the murder, or that witnesses remained inactive". After Moseley's death in March 2016, the Times called their second story "flawed", stating:

While there was no question that the attack occurred, and that some neighbors ignored cries for help, the portrayal of 38 witnesses as fully aware and unresponsive was erroneous. The article grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived. None saw the attack in its entirety. Only a few had glimpsed parts of it, or recognized the cries for help. Many thought they had heard lovers or drunks quarreling. There were two attacks, not three. And afterward, two people did call the police. A 70-year-old woman ventured out and cradled the dying victim in her arms until they arrived. Ms. Genovese died on the way to a hospital.

Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Investigation by police and prosecutors showed that approximately a dozen individuals had heard or seen portions of the attack, though none saw or was aware of the entire incident. Only one witness, Joseph Fink, was aware Genovese was stabbed in the first attack, and only Karl Ross was aware of it in the second attack. Many were entirely unaware that an assault or homicide had taken place; some thought what they saw or heard was a domestic quarrel, a drunken brawl or a group of friends leaving the bar when Moseley first approached Genovese. After the initial attack punctured her lungs, leading to her eventual death from asphyxiation, it is unlikely that Genovese was able to scream at any volume.

A 2015 documentary, featuring Kitty's brother William, discovered that other crime reporters knew of many problems with the story even in 1964. Immediately after the story broke, WNBC police reporter Danny Meehan discovered many inconsistencies in the original article in the Times. Meehan asked Times reporter Martin Gansberg why his article failed to reveal that witnesses did not feel that a murder was happening. Gansberg replied, "It would have ruined the story." Not wishing to jeopardize his career by attacking a powerful figure like Rosenthal, Meehan kept his findings secret and passed his notes to fellow WNBC reporter Gabe Pressman. Later, Pressman taught a journalism course in which some of his students called Rosenthal and confronted him with the evidence. Rosenthal was irate that his editorial decisions were being questioned by journalism students and angrily berated Pressman in a phone call.

On October 12, 2016, the Times appended an Editor's Note to the online version of its 1964 article, stating that, "Later reporting by The Times and others has called into question significant elements of this account."

NH Ethylene

(30,817 posts)
37. I recall that shocking story and its lengthy aftermath.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:49 PM
Oct 2021

It's shameful that it was dishonestly written.

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
58. Thank you for sharing that.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:04 AM
Oct 2021

There have been multiple examinations of how the initial coverage of the murder of Kitty Genovese shaped the narrative and shaped attitudes and beliefs for decades. Among the reexaminations of the account of the attack and its aftermath: the film The Witness, which aired on the series Independent Lens on PBS.

shrike3

(3,798 posts)
69. I read the "real" account. Still wasn't too impressed with the witnesses' behavior.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:00 AM
Oct 2021

But that's me.
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. If there were any reasonably fit men in the car then shame on them for sure
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:14 PM
Oct 2021

I'd need to know a bit more a bit about the make-up of the passengers before I make a blanket statement that they should have done something, if that means something physical.

Someone who would do this on a commuter train is potentially a highly dangerous/crazed/armed individual.

Nobody at least calling 911 seems pretty horrible, but how much of this took place underground? Is it possible that some tried, but could not get a signal?

I kinda hope that's what it was ... I guess is what I'm saying.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Thank you.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:46 PM
Oct 2021
I'd need to know a bit more a bit about the make-up of the passengers before I make a blanket statement that they should have done something, if that means something physical.
Thank you... for your thoughtful and reasonable reply.
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
68. Hard to know exactly what to make of that ... video would be useful for ID/prosecution
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:51 AM
Oct 2021

of the attacker, so there's that.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
28. At least the Eagles players didn't do it...
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:31 PM
Oct 2021

... unlike the Cincinnati Bengals players in 1990.

15 Bengals players accused of rape, as 20 others watched.

The players asked her to stay quiet about it, and there was later only a financial settlement.


mahina

(17,697 posts)
9. I'm glad he was arrested and she got care.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:33 PM
Oct 2021

No idea why the people on board didn’t stop it but I’d like to know.

al bupp

(2,191 posts)
10. That's the thing about a zombie apocalypse
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:42 PM
Oct 2021

It's barrels all the way down.

Unless, of course, you can find the indigenous people in the outback, and they deem you worthy.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
14. I once witnessed something along these lines on the Tube in London (although not as serious).
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:20 PM
Oct 2021

A friend of mine and I were on vacation there, and while we were waiting for a train a nearby woman started screaming at a man to stop touching her. By appearances, he looked like a vagrant of some sort. He was pawing her, and my friend and I stepped up to and yelled at him to back off...which he did, running away. A short time later an officer showed up, and after questioning everyone and making sure the woman wasn't physically harmed, my friend continued on our way.

It was the only time I've been in this sort of situation. I'm not trying to brag or say I was a hero (username aside). I wasn't. There were two of us, we were in halfway decent shape at the time, and the looked fairly old.. It was uncrowded when it happened, and we were the ones closest to her at the time. I'd like to think that had we not been there, someone else would have intervened.

The point of all this being that I'm unable to understand how the other riders in this instance didn't even have the goddamned decency to at least call 911, never mind getting a few guys together to pull him off of her. Per the story, there were a "lot of people" around her who simply watched as she was raped.

Absolutely disgusting.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
22. wretch, puke, vomit... that's how i feel about rapists
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:04 PM
Oct 2021

I hope she recovers quickly. I know they said that she was very strong but I hope the detritus that did this is lock away for good. Such gutter filth deserves only prison for life in complete segregation.

While I'm against the death penalty, I'm thinking of some words from General Schwarzkopf that seem appropriate: "Forgiveness is between him and God, our job is to arrange the meeting."

JenniferJuniper

(4,515 posts)
23. "Look outside the window,
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:12 PM
Oct 2021

There's a woman being grabbed,
They've dragged her to the bushes
And now she's being stabbed,
Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain,
But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game.
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of small circle of friends."

Phil Ochs

Igel

(35,356 posts)
31. There's the suggestion the penifer wasn't, either.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:37 PM
Oct 2021

There's a report that police think he's homeless.

The homeless have a high degree of mental illness.

https://oliverwillis.com/who-is-fiston-ngoy-septa-train-rape-case/

I have no basis for an opinion about oliverwillis.com's reliability.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
35. Well of course the rapist is not right. Why didn't the train employees describe HIM that way?
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:46 PM
Oct 2021

As far as I can tell from the OP, when the train employees finally called this in to police, they only mentioned the woman.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
53. I'm guessing that the 911 call was for the woman's sake.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 09:31 PM
Oct 2021

Why center the rapist when you're getting help for the woman? Esp. if the rapist's run away? Immediate needs immediately handled.

Esp. if it's a train. Ask for an EMT for rape, it's all the same 911. They'll know, "Oh, rape, that's a crime. Call the cops ... too." Maybe even have the cops/EMT at the station when the train arrives, but that depends on timing.

The suspect--the perp or not--was quickly apprehended. Somebody had to give description.

As for "angry," don't know that I need to see that in the post. I could. But I don't need to. I like being charitable, taking what's said in the best possible way (or close to it). As one wag put it, speaking of offense: "Don't take what's not offered."

I'm miffed at the non-reporters, but don't know what I would have done had I been there.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
54. No, I'm not angry for them calling 911, but for only mentioning the woman as the issue.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:28 PM
Oct 2021

It is like when women are told how to dress and where not go so they don't get raped, thus by implication blaming the victim, instead of going after the men who harass women.

What makes no sense is your snark on this topic.


LisaL

(44,974 posts)
61. You don't even know what was said or mentioned, considering 911 call was not released.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:48 PM
Oct 2021

I find it bizarre that you are upset with what the only person who did call 911 said, instead of all the people who observed and didn't even bother to call.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
64. I'm going by what the police reported the 911 caller said.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:03 AM
Oct 2021

What I am trying to point out is that even the employee who did call police said it was the woman who was "not right" (like the woman was acting out or something, as if the woman was the problem). That is what the police reported the train employee said, as excerpted in the OP.

It is not "instead." I take issue with both how the employee reported the incident AND the inaction of witnesses. As I said in my other posts in this thread, it is unconscionable and sick that all those people stood around and did nothing (see my posts #27 and #56 in this thread).

What is so bizarre is how you continue to try to put words in my mouth.

If you disagree with me, fine. But please disagree with what I actually said.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
72. Maybe if people didn't scrutinize every word someone said on 911 call, more
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:50 PM
Oct 2021

people would be willing to call 911.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
75. Wow. So you're blaming pointing out sexism for why these sickos didn't call 911?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:21 PM
Oct 2021

That's a whole new twist to blaming the victim!

Do you really think these miscreants (who you yourself note in this thread used their phones to videotape her rape rather than call the police) didn't call police because they thought some anonymous poster on a discussion board might point out the sexist way they reported the crime?

You do realize you can call 911 anonymously, right?

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
76. No, I am saying the goal of 911 call is to get help.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:28 PM
Oct 2021

Which what this 911 caller achieved. A person calling in the state of emergency might not always say things in the ways you find acceptable. And in this case you don't even know what exactly was said, yet you dead set to blame 911 caller. The only person who actually bothered to call for help.
I am not going to endlessly argue about this anymore.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
77. I am not "blaming" the 911 caller. I am pointing out how pervasive sexism is in our society.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:38 PM
Oct 2021

Again, you put words in my mouth..

Like I said in my above post, I am going by what was reported and commenting based on those reported facts. That's basically what a discussion board like DU is all about. It's what we do here.

Pointing out sexism does not make it worse, nor does it stop people from calling 911.

NH Ethylene

(30,817 posts)
39. A woman who had been raped would be crying or otherwise attracting notice.
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:56 PM
Oct 2021

The rapist might not be doing anything to call attention to himself at that point in time.

SunSeeker

(51,701 posts)
56. He was raping her in full view of everyone. I'd say he was attracting attention to himself!
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:36 PM
Oct 2021

It's unconscionable that nobody gave a shit what he was doing.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
33. What's going on in philly?
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:39 PM
Oct 2021

The hell? If it were me on that train that guy would have been beaten to near death

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
40. Goddamn it
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:57 PM
Oct 2021

I fear those who would do that in my presence. Someone would be going to the morgue no doubt. I hate rapists and pedos to no end

 

deizo

(59 posts)
42. There has to be more to this story I mean come on why wouldn't they at least call 911?
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:58 PM
Oct 2021

Maybe what the story is calling bystanders is just couple of rapist friends or the bystanders all were wanted by the law even than human decency would say do something!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
45. I'd think there must've been very few commuters...
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:16 PM
Oct 2021

... when it happened. If there were many spectators at all, surely at least one of them would've taken action!

The police were called at 10pm, but the article didn't indicate when the rape happened. And I don't know the typical number of commuters on that train anyway, for any time of the day.

One of my past friends saw a guy get stabbed at an outdoor Halloween event (late at night) in Dayton OH, and he said that he and the other spectators just left the area after the stabbing happened. He didn't try to notify the police, or anything!

 

ExTex

(2,138 posts)
46. Absolutely nothing to do with this incident...
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:47 PM
Oct 2021

But when I learn of something like this I remember a local bank robbery I read about in the Washington Post decades ago. At the time there was police advice about what witnesses to a crime should concentrate on to assist in the following investigation. During the robbery in question a robber noticed that one of the bank customers seemed to be paying particularly close attention to the robbers and their actions. The robber promptly gouged the potential witness's eyes out.

Still unsure what the lesson is here-- or even if there is one.

Edit: Some years later I was a testifying witness in a bank robbery. My eyes remained intact.

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
52. Absolutely horrible situation
Sat Oct 16, 2021, 08:48 PM
Oct 2021

I’ve tried to find an article I read before but I’ve not had any luck. I believe it was a law enforcement article about one of the shootings at a college.

The guy lined up students and shot them in the head. No one fought back.

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
57. I cannot speak about this situation, but it has been more common than rare violent abuse of another
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:47 AM
Oct 2021

is essentially ignored in terms of response or aid on behalf of the victim.

I can personally attest to violent, physical assault (perpetrated by my step mother) in the presence of a number of police officers for several hours completely ignored. This occurred in the parking lot of the Honolulu Police Station in 1966.

Over the span of my life, I've become aware that this is not uncommon.


 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
60. Perhaps they had a very understable fear of being accused of racism due to the nature of attacker
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:14 PM
Oct 2021

We are constantly doxing people who report crimes both actual and imaginary. It should not surprise that people choose not to become involved where there is an intersectionality between crime and victim.

Perhaps we should be less harsh with bystanders that understand that calling the police on a person of color may result in that person's death.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
62. That seems kind of far fetched.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:48 PM
Oct 2021

Some of the observers reportedly took video of the attack and put it on social media.

marble falls

(57,223 posts)
63. Ok, let me put is this way: a scumbag's life means NOTHING while in the commision of raping ...
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:08 PM
Oct 2021

... say, one of your relatives or family. It is a sad, sad day, that the the person of a rape victim is worth less than a rapist caught in the act by a car full of passengers who stood by and filmed WITHOUT calling the police. Since when do we worry about raping rapists caught in the act???????

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
66. That's a bingo
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:38 AM
Oct 2021

As discomforting for some to hear it still needs to be said.

I’d factor in general apathy and entrenched “not my problem” mindset to cover the rest.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
71. PA doesn't have a "good samaritan" law.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:50 PM
Oct 2021

So these people can't be charged if they observed and did nothing.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
74. Yep, Jerry and friends watched a robbery while making jokes, instead of calling for help.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:08 PM
Oct 2021

Unfortunately the part about them being put on trial for that isn't happening in real life.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
78. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest she might've been too shocked or frightened to resist.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:51 PM
Oct 2021

I mean, this is gonna be a weird story, one way or another. Her incapacity is NOT and should never be a significant part of the story. The man acted and the woman did not consent. And the public there who noticed it were wrong not to intervene. I've read nothing to give this horror a different spin.

There might be more explanations of how it happened. There is no excuse for it happening.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
79. There is a video of the whole incident and it shows that she was trying to push him off,
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:09 PM
Oct 2021

from what has been reported.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
80. So the "did nothing" comment is bullshit?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:28 PM
Oct 2021

People passing the buck onto the victim is bullshit.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
81. Bystanders are the ones who did nothing.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:36 PM
Oct 2021

There were other people on the train, not one of them called 911, until a SEPTA employee did.

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