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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,168 posts)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:05 PM Oct 2021

Trump sues Jan. 6 committee, National Archives

Source: Politico

Donald Trump is suing the Jan. 6 select committee and the National Archives to block the release of his White House’s records related to the Capitol attack.

The former president’s lawyers filed the suit in D.C. district court on Monday. It names the Jan. 6 panel’s chair, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), and the national archivist, David Ferriero, along with the committee and the archives. And it calls the Jan. 6 probe “a vexatious, illegal fishing expedition.”

In the lawsuit, Trump’s lawyers ask a federal judge to declare the entire request from the select committee to be invalid and to block the National Archives from turning over any materials to Congress in response to the request. They also specifically ask the court to block the Archives from turning over any documents that Trump says are covered by executive privilege.


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/18/trump-sues-jan-6-committee-national-archives-516209

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Trump sues Jan. 6 committee, National Archives (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 OP
AND leftieNanner Oct 2021 #1
yep we all knew the Con would pull this stunt to stall, delay, deflect onetexan Oct 2021 #21
Lawsuit was filed by 4 person firm LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #2
Probably the best he could find. paleotn Oct 2021 #10
Woooo.. Corgigal Oct 2021 #24
The desperate actions of a guilty man. Doodley Oct 2021 #3
Exactly. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2021 #4
Just seems like another one of his stall tactics groundloop Oct 2021 #6
Partly stall, partly "look at me", partly rile up the base. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #17
Of course it is DENVERPOPS Oct 2021 #18
What you trying to hide asswipe? Ferrets are Cool Oct 2021 #5
Transparency and Justice is a joke in this country. djacq Oct 2021 #7
Not a lawyer, but it looks like they're using court decisions that cover sitting presidents, not... George II Oct 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Oct 2021 #32
Prof Tribe is not impressed with this piece of crap lawsuit LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #39
vexatious to who? bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #9
I suspect that he doesn't have any standing, and the case will be thrown out of court, like all of SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #11
Your suspicion is contrary to Supreme Court precedent. onenote Oct 2021 #37
Thanks ... someone did give some more information on this process too, perhaps it'll shed some SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #42
Tough shit twit. You're not president anymore Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #12
Somebody... LowerManhattanite Oct 2021 #13
This will make how many consecutive losses in the courts? rurallib Oct 2021 #14
This cheered me up Marthe48 Oct 2021 #15
Sending good vibes for speedy recoveries. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #23
Thank you hamsterjill Marthe48 Oct 2021 #28
lol! Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #16
But he didn't sue the guy that order the release the President of the United States. Historic NY Oct 2021 #19
TFG has lawyers? MissMillie Oct 2021 #20
He has 10 civil lawsuits going against him now Bayard Oct 2021 #33
I've been searching for a link to the court filing but haven't found one (n/t) MissMillie Oct 2021 #22
Maybe the best way to TFG bluestarone Oct 2021 #25
In other news, Trump sues the Supreme Court for Unconstitutionalitude. Xipe Totec Oct 2021 #26
Innocent people do not sue to hide information. onecaliberal Oct 2021 #27
Not a fan of the right to remain silent? onenote Oct 2021 #34
It's a pattern of behavior. onecaliberal Oct 2021 #38
Squirm, narcissist, squirm! orangecrush Oct 2021 #29
TFG acknowledges that he's "a former President." LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #30
Because innocent people always sue to keep their records from going public. tclambert Oct 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #35
THOMPSON & CHENEY STATEMENT ON THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S LAWSUIT LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #36
Of coarse he did. Figure the odds. Tommymac Oct 2021 #40
Whatever action a person takes has everything to do with them and nothing to do with you Linda Ed Oct 2021 #41

onetexan

(13,038 posts)
21. yep we all knew the Con would pull this stunt to stall, delay, deflect
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:25 PM
Oct 2021

time to haul his big ass to jail!

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,168 posts)
2. Lawsuit was filed by 4 person firm
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:12 PM
Oct 2021

At least this firm is not in a strip mall in New Jersey. I have never seen parliamentarian being listed a legal specialty

I am not impressed with this lawsuit. TFG is not POTUS and the Presidential Records Act is not unconstitutional simply because TFG does not like it


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paleotn

(17,912 posts)
10. Probably the best he could find.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:33 PM
Oct 2021

Some clients just aren't worth the trouble. This one sure as hell isn't worth the trouble.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
18. Of course it is
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:04 PM
Oct 2021

I sure hope that legal firm got a humongous retainer up front, knowing Donald's bill paying history....

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Not a lawyer, but it looks like they're using court decisions that cover sitting presidents, not...
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:29 PM
Oct 2021

...ex-presidents.

How was he able to find any lawyers willing to work for him and file the suit?

Response to George II (Reply #8)

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
11. I suspect that he doesn't have any standing, and the case will be thrown out of court, like all of
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:34 PM
Oct 2021

his other childish lawsuits...

onenote

(42,700 posts)
37. Your suspicion is contrary to Supreme Court precedent.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:23 PM
Oct 2021

Nixon v. GSA:

"it is argued, such claims may be asserted only by incumbents who are presently responsible to the American people for their action. We reject the argument that only an incumbent President may assert such claims, and hold that appellant, as a former President, may also be heard to assert them."

The Court went on to say:"we think that the Solicitor General states the sounder view, and we adopt it:

"This Court held in United States v. Nixon . . . that the privilege is necessary to provide the confidentiality required for the President's conduct of office. Unless he can give his advisers some assurance of confidentiality, a President could not expect to receive the full and frank submissions of facts and opinions upon which effective discharge of his duties depends. The confidentiality necessary to this exchange cannot be measured by the few months or years between the submission of the information and the end of the President's tenure; the privilege is not for the benefit of the President as an individual, but for the benefit of the Republic. Therefore the privilege survives the individual President's tenure."

Ultimately, as that case makes clear, where the incumbent president disagrees with the former president, the incumbent's views as to whether the privilege is appropriate are entitled to great weight. But it simply is wrong -- clearly -- to say that Trump cannot assert executive privilege. The courts may (and should) reject that claim, but not on the grounds that he has no standing to make it.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
42. Thanks ... someone did give some more information on this process too, perhaps it'll shed some
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 02:17 PM
Oct 2021

more light on this whole process of such claims...confusing perhaps (to me at least)...

--snip--

H2O Man (66,617 posts) Incarcerate Steve Bannon
...
Since the issue of people failing to honor their legal duty to appear before the committees that haved subpoenaed them during the last administration, and at the start of this one, it should concern all of us. As citizens who recognize that our opposition wants to deny us our rights -- starting with the right to vote and have all votes counted -- we should be informed about the process that begins to unfold tomorrow. I am sure that there are others here who are better informed than me, but I still wanted to share a link to a site I find helpful:

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

It is a report on by legislative attorney Todd Garvey, that provides a good amount of information. Garvey has served in that position in the American Law Division of the Congressional Research Division since 2009. I found some of the most important and interesting information started on page 34. Most of the past cases involve a conflict between Congress and the Executive branch, for only an administration can claim executive privilege.

The Biden administration is not attempting to cover-up for the Trump cult. Donald Trump has no legal status that allows for executive privilege. Steve Bannon was not part of the administration at the time in question. Not to mention that claims of executive privilege tend to admit that the January 6 insurrection was a White House operation.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
14. This will make how many consecutive losses in the courts?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:51 PM
Oct 2021

Wonder what the Vegas line is on TFG winning? 0 to 500?

Wonder what the over/under is for days to decide after the case goes to court? 1/2 day? Maybe as many as 3?

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
15. This cheered me up
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:51 PM
Oct 2021

Last edited Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Dealing with Covid in my family, among friends and in my community.

traitor is squirming like a worm on the sidewalk. I'd help the worm.

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
20. TFG has lawyers?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:20 PM
Oct 2021

I thought all the reputable ones abandoned him, and he didn't have any money to pay for the non-reputable ones.

Bayard

(22,062 posts)
33. He has 10 civil lawsuits going against him now
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:59 PM
Oct 2021

Per Rachel tonight. I'm sure there will be much grifting to cover the legal fees.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
26. In other news, Trump sues the Supreme Court for Unconstitutionalitude.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

And also sues the sun and moon for raising tides.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
34. Not a fan of the right to remain silent?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:19 PM
Oct 2021

I'm glad Biden is rejecting his claim and remain hopeful that the court's will rule in favor of Biden's decision, but the argument that someone asserting a right not to testify or comply with a subpoena or to resist a warrantless search (whether under the fifth amendment or executive privilege or any other form of privilege) should be presumed to be hiding guilt is something that I expect to hear from right wingers, not DUers.

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
38. It's a pattern of behavior.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:27 PM
Oct 2021

Probably because he has spent a lifetime breaking laws every minute of the day, so excuse me if I fail to presume his innocence. That rancid pile of shit is trying to destroy democracy and kill the planet. Fuck him.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
31. Because innocent people always sue to keep their records from going public.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:33 PM
Oct 2021

"I have nothing to hide, but I'll sue you if you don't keep it all hidden."

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,168 posts)
36. THOMPSON & CHENEY STATEMENT ON THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S LAWSUIT
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:22 PM
Oct 2021



Oct 18, 2021
Washington—Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) today made the following statement:

“The former President’s clear objective is to stop the Select Committee from getting to the facts about January 6th and his lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt to delay and obstruct our probe. Precedent and law are on our side. Executive privilege is not absolute and President Biden has so far declined to invoke that privilege. Additionally, there’s a long history of the White House accommodating congressional investigative requests when the public interest outweighs other concerns. It’s hard to imagine a more compelling public interest than trying to get answers about an attack on our democracy and an attempt to overturn the results of an election.

“The Select Committee’s authority to seek these records is clear. We’ll fight the former President’s attempt to obstruct our investigation while we continue to push ahead successfully with our probe on a number of other fronts.”

# # #

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
40. Of coarse he did. Figure the odds.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 01:01 PM
Oct 2021

For someone with a 0-72 (or whatever) legal record against the US Government over the last year it is a bit of a long shot.

I don't think it will delay things by that much - I would expect this one to be settled ( i.e. thrown out) rather quickly as these things go.



Linda Ed

(493 posts)
41. Whatever action a person takes has everything to do with them and nothing to do with you
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 01:36 PM
Oct 2021

The guy knows he is guilty as hell and is willing to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to cover it up....Truth will come out …most patriots know he is a scum bag, lying, cheating felon. Lock him up.

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