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Sabuca

(48 posts)
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:01 PM Oct 2021

Maricopa County prosecutors consider charges against Sinema protesters

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by JudyM (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: KTAR News

The Maricopa County Attorney’s Office said it is reviewing recommended charges submitted against activists who confronted U.S. Sen. Kyrsten Sinema in a bathroom two weeks ago.

Police for Arizona State University said Wednesday their investigation involving four students at the downtown Phoenix campus was complete and had been forwarded to prosecutors.

Sinema had just left a classroom Oct. 3 when protesters tried to get her to talk to them about immigration and her opposition to the cost of a proposed spending plan loaded with Democratic priorities.

Living United for Change in Arizona posted video of the students following Sinema down a hallway and into the restroom. The four told the Democrat she hadn’t followed up on promises she made during her campaign.

Read more: https://ktar.com/story/4733997/maricopa-county-prosecutors-consider-charges-against-sinema-protesters/

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Maricopa County prosecutors consider charges against Sinema protesters (Original Post) Sabuca Oct 2021 OP
They should. That isn't a protest, that's harassment JohnSJ Oct 2021 #1
Here's the definition of harassment. You're wrong Sabuca Oct 2021 #4
You don't follow people into a bathroom. They were stalking her. They are a bad reflection on JohnSJ Oct 2021 #6
I don't agree. pazzyanne Oct 2021 #7
That's not the point. As far as I'm aware, these weren't students from her class. Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #20
I thought you meant harassment in the legal sense Sabuca Oct 2021 #15
No I wasn't referring to in the legal sense JohnSJ Oct 2021 #17
They were students, not necessarily "activists". pazzyanne Oct 2021 #8
And yet RW protesters are A OK . . . Lovie777 Oct 2021 #2
I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Oct 2021 #18
Good Polybius Oct 2021 #3
Good n/t Devil Child Oct 2021 #5
but bringing weapons to the school board meeting is fine. got it. mopinko Oct 2021 #9
It wasn't like they... 2naSalit Oct 2021 #10
Give me a heads up next time you gotta drop a deuce Devil Child Oct 2021 #11
Have to find me first. 2naSalit Oct 2021 #12
True that! Devil Child Oct 2021 #13
Hey, there's one room for one... 2naSalit Oct 2021 #14
Give me a heads up when you become a bad senator Sabuca Oct 2021 #16
So there is a different rule for harassment if it is #1 or #2? former9thward Oct 2021 #21
How is it any different than behavior exhibited at recent school board meetings? Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #19
We condemn the behavior exhibited at recent school board meetings. Griefbird Oct 2021 #22
Locking JudyM Oct 2021 #23

JohnSJ

(91,560 posts)
1. They should. That isn't a protest, that's harassment
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:03 PM
Oct 2021
 

Sabuca

(48 posts)
4. Here's the definition of harassment. You're wrong
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:09 PM
Oct 2021
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/02921.htm

They didn't communicate with her repeatedly after being asked to stop
Sinema didn't ask them to stop.
Sinema responded to a couple of concerns.

JohnSJ

(91,560 posts)
6. You don't follow people into a bathroom. They were stalking her. They are a bad reflection on
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:21 PM
Oct 2021

Democrats

I agree with President Biden on this

I also consider it harassment. I don’t except someone else’s definition

You don’t stalk people in a bathroom or restaurant


pazzyanne

(6,476 posts)
7. I don't agree.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:38 PM
Oct 2021

As a former teacher, I often had students question me. They never had to follow me into a bathroom to get answers!

Jedi Guy

(3,160 posts)
20. That's not the point. As far as I'm aware, these weren't students from her class.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 06:06 PM
Oct 2021

And they weren't asking questions about the coursework, again as far as I'm aware. This wasn't a teacher/student interaction. This was people harassing a Senator because they don't like the way she's voting. If someone goes into a bathroom, have the common courtesy/decency to put your hectoring on pause until they come back out. This event was ridiculous, and the people who did it are clowns. If charges are filed, I won't shed a tear for these people.

There's plenty to criticize about Sinema, but this was a bridge too far, IMO.

 

Sabuca

(48 posts)
15. I thought you meant harassment in the legal sense
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:47 PM
Oct 2021

Thanks for clarifying that you were just talking about what do you want the activists to do and not do.

JohnSJ

(91,560 posts)
17. No I wasn't referring to in the legal sense
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:03 PM
Oct 2021

pazzyanne

(6,476 posts)
8. They were students, not necessarily "activists".
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:40 PM
Oct 2021

Most teachers and professors would do their job by talking to students.

Lovie777

(11,635 posts)
2. And yet RW protesters are A OK . . .
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:05 PM
Oct 2021

PatSeg

(46,293 posts)
18. I was thinking the same thing
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:08 PM
Oct 2021

And right-wing "protesters" are often violent and threatening. That said, I don't think they should have followed her into the restroom, but they did have the right to publicly confront her. Though I don't approve of their behavior, I don't think it warrants charges. A waste of time, money, and resources.

Polybius

(15,008 posts)
3. Good
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:06 PM
Oct 2021

Never bother anyone while they're in the bathroom or eating.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
5. Good n/t
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:18 PM
Oct 2021

mopinko

(69,565 posts)
9. but bringing weapons to the school board meeting is fine. got it.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

2naSalit

(85,066 posts)
10. It wasn't like they...
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:01 PM
Oct 2021

were assembling armed mobs on her doorstep and yelling obscenities into her child's bedroom window or anything. I don't see where she thinks running into the bathroom absolves her from facing her constituents.

I'm kind of torn about this one.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
11. Give me a heads up next time you gotta drop a deuce
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:15 PM
Oct 2021

So I can push your bathroom door open to lecture you about something.

I’m not torn on this one.

2naSalit

(85,066 posts)
12. Have to find me first.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:22 PM
Oct 2021


However...

I'm not an elected official who consistently avoids her constituents. They were demonstrating how hard it is to even get her to notice them let alone hear and address their issues. She's too busy gallivanting around the globe going to foot races, dr. appointments and fundraisers to actually do her fucking job. When they go to her offices, she calls security so what are they supposed to do?

She has earned serious disrespect and this is what it looks like.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
13. True that!
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:25 PM
Oct 2021

Disclaimer: this grinds my gears as I was a student at this campus and had Sinema as an instructor. So to me she was “at work” when the protestors arrived. Can’t argue against her being divisive as I agree.

I would never disturb your bathroom liberty!

2naSalit

(85,066 posts)
14. Hey, there's one room for one...
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:33 PM
Oct 2021

In my outhouse!

I get that it was not the best way to go about it but she was the one who ran into the bathroom to avoid them. She could have said she would be right out and would talk to them then but she did her snippy retort then duck into a stall whether it's a toilet or an elevator. She needs to find out what she is costing her constituents and the rest of us the hard way I guess.

She is giving aid and comfort to those who condone such lack of respect so she should see what it feels like to be the recipient.

That is all. I don;t care if she was embarrassed or anything else, I only give a shit if it made her think about what she is costing everyone else.

 

Sabuca

(48 posts)
16. Give me a heads up when you become a bad senator
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 01:49 PM
Oct 2021

And you don't know if she went number one or number two.
Neither they went inside her bathroom stall.

former9thward

(31,515 posts)
21. So there is a different rule for harassment if it is #1 or #2?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:16 PM
Oct 2021

I am glad I don't live in your world...

Evolve Dammit

(16,426 posts)
19. How is it any different than behavior exhibited at recent school board meetings?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:37 PM
Oct 2021

Griefbird

(95 posts)
22. We condemn the behavior exhibited at recent school board meetings.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 08:59 PM
Oct 2021

Confronting politicians in private spaces when they won't acknowledge your existence otherwise is not the same as disrupting a public meeting where each person is given a chance to speak if they are local, and if they respect others. As a male, I certainly wouldn't have followed her into the restroom, nor would I follow Manchin into a restroom, but no one threatened violence in the restroom, nor in the kayak flotilla demanding a response from Manchin. It is the threat of violence that crosses the line, not the request to be heard.

JudyM

(28,985 posts)
23. Locking
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 09:52 PM
Oct 2021

Following the forum hosts’ review…
Considering charges isn’t important enough news for this forum, but it’s fine to repost it in General Discussion if you’d like.

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