Biden delays release of secret JFK assassination files
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Source: Yahoo! News
President Joe Biden ordered yet another delay in the release of secret files related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy yet to see the light of day more than 50 years after his death.
A White House memo, signed by Biden, said "[t]emporary continued postponement is necessary to protect against identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure."
The order comes in response to the archivist of the United States recommending the president “temporarily certify the continued withholding of all of the information certified in 2018” and “direct two public releases of the information that has” ultimately “been determined to be appropriate for release to the public,” with one interim release later this year and one more comprehensive release in late 2022, according to the memo.
Delays associated with the coronavirus pandemic were cited as the reason for the recommendation.
Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/biden-delays-release-secret-jfk-015700211.html
Getting delayed because of Covid? That's the excuse this year I guess.
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denbot
(9,950 posts)Our grade school was cancelled and the grief in the neighborhood was uniform. I am now in my 60's and the way this is constantly being withheld, I doubt if I will live long enough to learn the truth.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The bus-riders had to wait longer, others walked home, others were met by their crying parents. The normal class-is-out chatter wasn't there. Just silence and sobs.
Historic NY
(40,019 posts)It's that bad that we aren't permitted to know, come on one of the most seminal events of our lifetimes and is still being held secret. It has given rise to an untold number of conspiracies, and yet they want to continue to keep it secret.
OnlinePoker
(6,126 posts)It will keep getting pushed back until nobody alive when it's finally released was alive when the event happened.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)something is being hidden.
Not sure I support withholding documents because that just adds to speculation, but I do think Biden will do what’s right for country.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...than giving the country the impression that--again!--the government of the US is covering up the truth in JFK's assassination? Every President, without exception, has done *something* to give just this impression. Why? After 60 years, what's the goddam point? If it's something, say, that could embarrass the CIA--what? After all this time? Some Cold War secret? The fucking Cold War has been over for 30 years. If there was a document in there that proved beyond doubt that LBJ, J Edgar Hoover, Allan Dulles, Aristotle Onassis, George Bush, Charles Lindbergh, and Michael Corleone all pulled a trigger in Dealey Plaza...could it do any more harm to the country than the overwhelming impression of a cover-up has, ever since 1963? Whatever the reason for more delay...it's not good enough.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Is that russia was directly involved, and acknowledging that, even now, would bring calls for retribution, and/or paint the us as helpless.
Remember, even trump didn't authorize the release. The only reason he would care is if it wasn't in russia's interest.
Again, that is just one reason. Not necessarily a correct one.
orleans
(36,907 posts)so i guess we can just assume one of our government's secret agencies killed him
Irish_Dem
(81,189 posts)I think your assumption is accurate.
SheilaAnn
(10,708 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)He would have used it as a club against the very agencies he hated.
It's not that.
Mawspam2
(1,105 posts)...Jewish Space Lasers!
SoCalDavidS
(10,599 posts)Not A Fucking Chance!!
Democracy My Ass!
They Do Not Want Us To Know The Truth. We're just a bunch of lowlife citizens that might actually think poorly of our government if we did.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)And the exact involvement of particular elected officials on 1/6...
myohmy2
(3,721 posts)...the Republicans could have done it...they're low and mean enough...
"...that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure..."
...that's curious, what could this 50 year old delaying info be?
...tricky dick's fingerprints?
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Bernardo de La Paz
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Rollo
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Tens of thousands of the JFK assassination documents, with varying levels of redactions, have already been released.
Among the information that has not been made public are highly sensitive details about U.S. operations against Cuba in 1963, according to the Intercept. There are also unseen passages about surveillance techniques that detected Oswald's visits to the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City weeks before Kennedy's assassination.
"Since the 1990s, more than 250,000 records concerning President Kennedy’s assassination — more than 90 percent of NARA’s collection — have been released in full to the public. Only a small fraction of the records contains any remaining redactions," the memo said.
A lot of the information that has been made available to the public is not accessible online. Under the order Friday, Biden instructed the archivist to issue a plan for the digitization of the records by Dec. 15.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)like a good number are eager to jump on some conspiracy band wagon
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Hoyt
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Grins
(9,444 posts)- That we tried to murder Castro? Known already.
- We’re pushing 60 years and all the principals are dead.
“…passages about surveillance techniques”?
- There is no way in hell we use those techniques today.
This still stinks.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Is 60 year old technology worth protecting? 60 year old trade craft that the Russians and Chinese haven't figured out?
What Cuban operations could have been involved that have consequences being revealed 60 years later? Afraid Cuba would send a sternly worded letter to the UN? Afraid that there is some assassination attempt akin to exploding cigars?
60 years. (58)
Anyone 18+ who might have had an active role is now 76 or older.
Anyone 30+ at the time who might have had significant command roles is now 88+. Are any even alive?
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)the headline, and that is it
In fact the article makes it clear they are working on digitalizing it so it can be accessed on line, but the pandemic has caused delays in that process
I am getting to the point where some only read what they want to read
Why am I not surprised that a large minority believe the Qanon or anti-vax bullshit. It has to be something about human nature
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Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)I wish people wouldn't make such stupid statements as "happen literally over a weekend". (Note: statement is stupid, not the person.)
If you had thought through archiving, library science, and historicity you wouldn't say "digitization can literally happen over a weekend".
Sure, put a paper under a camera on a copy stand and press a button and you are done? Not.
It's not like your Uncle Bernie's vacation photos from 1963 you just discovered in his attic. It's not as if all the relevant documents to the assassination and surrounding people and events are all in a shoe box marked "JFK Assassination". There are thousands of files and hundreds of thousands of pages.
The documents are likely kept in multiple archives, like State Department, FBI, CIA, Defense Department (Oswald was in military), White House archives, etc. Some have already been digitized and don't need to be digitized again. That has to be determined. Those would have to be digitized in multiple locations or they would have to be be securely transported to a central digitizing location. You don't just hand a packet to a bike courier.
60 year old documents (some older) have to be handled carefully. Paper gets fragile. You don't just whip a sheet out, slam it on the stand and shuffle it over to a pile after clicking.
Each page or set of pages, has to be digitally annotated as to what it is, where it came from, what set it is part of, keyworded as to names involved, creator, recipient, dates, departments, and much more. Each letter or memo is a set in and of itself.
Then the digitized images have to be organized into folders and PDFs in ways that make sense and are accessible. This can't be automated with today's technology. Once organized some automation can be applied, but only some. Then they have to be all reviewed by experts, even if the intent is to make 99.9% or maybe even 100% public. Then databases have to be updated to reflect changes in classification, release status, and available forms and more.
And you want to be complete about it or someone will generate a conspiracy theory around a laundry ticket that got missed among all the documentation. "They didn't digitize the laundry ticket! They are withholding vital information! It's Deep State / NeoCons / fascists covering up crimes!"
Really, I wish people would stop saying investigations should all be completed and released within a month of taking power; that thousands of documents can be digitized over a weekend; that thousands of executive orders and appointments and laws and regulations and deregulations can be reversed in two weeks.
It's like the thirst for instant results from elections that leads to voting machines and no paper ballots.
It's like the hunger for instant justice that leads to even progressives advocating violence, starting with "he has a punchable face" and advocating instant arrest and summary convictions of over 600 insurrectionists.
Get real, folks. Stuff takes time. Rediscover patience.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)I'm not disputing that things take time, but the notion that 60 year old paper is "fragile" is laughable.
I have books older than that and they are perfectly fine. I have papers relating to my fathers service in WWII and those could be put through an automated scanner without an issue.
It's not the paper.
Look, Google has used high speed scanners to digitize books 100 years older than that.
Again, I'm not saying it doesn't take time. But the speed of digitization and database indexing is not what they are holding the documents for. They are holding them because there is something in them they don't want made public. The delay is in how much needs to be redacted to ensure nobody can tease out the contents from what is left.
That is what takes time.
Lokilooney
(322 posts)Is letting it be known that the most powerful county in the world let it's leader get domed by a citizen acting on his own who just wanted to kill the president and succeeded, from a state perspective there is nothing more embarrassing than that...If you want to go all conspiracy that is.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Nicotine is experiencing a renaissance now. ... Teenagers often refer to the effect of vaping as a “dome”, a short, 30-second euphoric high produced by the high concentration of nicotine. Social integration and a “dome” are the initial reasons they vape, but the next is the gnarly one: they're addicted.
uncle ray
(3,355 posts)"domed"= head shot.
Bernardo de La Paz
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Judi Lynn
(164,122 posts)Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis shown in this June 27, 1953 photograph with then Senator John F. Kennedy in Hyannisport, Massachuestts. (File photo: Reuters)
The Biden administration said it will release more records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in December.
Some of the information regarding Kennedy’s death on Nov. 22, 1963, remained off limits to “protect against an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure,” the White House said on Friday in a memorandum signed by President Joe Biden.
Although those considerations have become less and less urgent with the passage of the decades, and most of the records have been made available by the National Archives and Records Administration, several government agencies and departments must determine if any of the remaining undisclosed materials should continue to be kept from public view.
Biden added in the memo that the Archivist of the US had reported that the pandemic had slowed the process.
Some of the records will be released from Dec. 15, and most, if not all, of the rest by the end of 2022, according to the memo, 59 years after the assassination in Dallas.
More:
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/10/23/US-to-release-more-information-related-to-Kennedy-assassination-in-December
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tetedur
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and the secret history of the United States by Daniel Sheehan.
One tidbit: Remember when Nixon said on tape that he wanted his lackey to tell the FBI to back off investigating the CIA concerning the Watergate break-in? He said it would open up the "whole Bay of Pigs thing." A check found on one of the plumbers was traceable to a Mexican bank that was used to pay the assassination team that V.P. Nixon had formulated. And the FBI backed off. Sheehan says Nixon wanted to bug Larry O'Brien because O'Brien knew about this fund and Nixon was afraid he would expose it and ruin his re-election plans. That was the reason for the break-in.
The real secret is the government is not really in charge or in control of things. There are secret teams, secret enterprises, crimes perpetrated by people we elect, that they cannot or will not stop. They have the power to cover it all up. The perpetrators get away with it.
This lawless non accountability didn't start with the JFK assassination. It started with the rise of the fascists and the robber barons.
Do we have the right to know what really happened in our country, in our lifetimes? Can we stop the illegality if we are ignorant or uneducated about our own history? Will we ever grasp and really live the meaning of the founding creeds of this country?
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)I long ago concluded we'll never really know the facts behind the assassinations of both John and Robert Kennedy, another coinky dinky puzzle piece is brought into play. Too many important examples to list at the moment.
Every time I conclude I pretty much know this history, newly revealed pieces to never ending puzzle are unearthed an, for a moment my reaction is shock leading to a level of despondency. Because the answers to your questions are obviously clear, we have the right to know, but we will never know because it the truth will remain buried probably for centuries.
bucolic_frolic
(55,094 posts)We may not like it, or believe it or want to believe it, but it's there in black and white.
rampartc
(5,835 posts)note jfk was accused of about the same level of crime as every democratic president since the great depression.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)"Communist inspired racial riots" (protests for civil rights and voting rights)
"marraige"
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
twodogsbarking
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Mr. Sparkle
(3,706 posts)no wonder there are so many conspiracy's around JFK's death.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Was there one before this that has held up over time better?
About the only one I can think of is did roosevelt know the japanese would attack pearl harbor. But that was always a fringe theory. It wasn't believed by even a small percentage of the population.
Every poll taken on the kennedy assassination shows a high percentage of the population that believes the gov't is covering something up.
Roswell maybe?
Turbineguy
(40,048 posts)Omaha Steve
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