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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 10:55 AM Oct 2021

House progressives endorse Biden's pared-back spending framework, likely making passage 'when, not i

Source: The Week

Thursday was full of ups and down for President Biden, his agenda, and perhaps the success of a crucial climate change summit, starting with the president laying out a $1.8 trillion framework he said congressional Democrats could all support — and ending with the failure of House Democrats to give final approval to a separate bipartisan infrastructure bill.

"Progressives were triumphant, but the rest of the Democratic caucus was seething," Politico's Katherine Tully-McManus reports. "I think it's wholly apparent that today was not a success," Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.) said Thursday, blaming unidentified "obstructionists" for "not delivering" the infrastructure bill "because apparently failing roads and bridges can just wait in the minds of some people."

"But just when it looked like the day would end in embarrassment for Democrats, the Congressional Progressive Caucus issues a surprise endorsement of the president's compromise plan — removing one of the last big obstacles in its way," Politico's Rachael Bade recapped Friday morning. This endorsement "was drowned out" by the CPC's decision to block the infrastructure bill until it gets more assurances about the details of the $1.8 trillion framework and its fate in the Senate. "But the dispute over sequencing masked a major achievement for the president: Hill progressives now appear ready to swallow this deal — and that means it's likely a matter of when, not if, it passes."

The restive centrists of the Senate Democratic caucus, Sens. Joe Manchin (W. Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.), also "offered positive comments about the deal, but without committing to vote for it," The Washington Post reports. But they got most of what they asked for in the negotiations. Progressive Democrats had to give up a lot. "We wanted a $3.5 trillion package, but we understand the reality of the situation," CPC chairwoman Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) told reporters Thursday night.



Read more: https://theweek.com/joe-biden/1006571/house-progressives-endorse-bidens-pared-back-spending-framework-likely-making



The restive centrists of the Senate Democratic caucus, Sens. Joe Manchin (W. Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.), also "offered positive comments about the deal, but without committing to vote for it," The Washington Post reports.


What's keeping Manchin and Sinema from committing to vote for the framework now?

If they just did that on Thursday, the infrastructure bill would have passed the same day!

Do Manchin and Sinema really want ANY form of the Build Back Better bill to pass?

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House progressives endorse Biden's pared-back spending framework, likely making passage 'when, not i (Original Post) bluewater Oct 2021 OP
I try to think of legitimate reasons FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #1
Makes me wonder too... bluewater Oct 2021 #3
People keep looking for rational reasons for their behavior... appmanga Oct 2021 #15
Manchins actions were made clear in the congressional hearing. Autumn Oct 2021 #17
+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #18
Sick To Death Of All Of This Me. Oct 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #4
Great suggestion. It may well come down to that. bluewater Oct 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #21
Get it done while we have the 3 branches. Get rid of the Filibuster. Pass the Voting Rights Bill. Fla Dem Oct 2021 #6
+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #27
What a fucking joke. "The progressive were one of the last obstacles," CentralMass Oct 2021 #8
And yet Manchin and Sinema STILL have not committed to vote for the framework bluewater Oct 2021 #9
Yes. CentralMass Oct 2021 #10
++++ Frankly, I'm not convinced we'd even have a $1.75 trillion BBB bill were it not for members of KPN Oct 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #22
We are just so f-ing tired of all of this... TxGuitar Oct 2021 #11
The truth is that the Senate was designed to "moderate" the rabble elected in the House. bluewater Oct 2021 #14
3.5 trillion pared down to 1.8 trillion Bayard Oct 2021 #12
And yet Manchin & Sinema are still not satisfied... bluewater Oct 2021 #13
Worse than that, it was $6T FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #16
And at one point in time one of these assholes was pretending to be down with a 4T package. nt Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #24
Dang.... Bayard Oct 2021 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #28
My fiancee, a nonbinary die-hard leftist, asked me recently if there were any Progressive parties. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #32
Manchin will wait until the last moment to draw his next red line. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2021 #20
Shocker! Just like Jayapal said last night on Deminpenn Oct 2021 #23
Every single item cut from BBB 3825-87867 Oct 2021 #25
The progressive wing always has to give in LiberalLovinLug Oct 2021 #26
Biden has been in talks with all factions even when the factions aren't talking to each other tirebiter Oct 2021 #30

FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
1. I try to think of legitimate reasons
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 10:58 AM
Oct 2021

that would explain their behavior. I come up with nothing. Only corrupt reasons.

appmanga

(516 posts)
15. People keep looking for rational reasons for their behavior...
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:41 AM
Oct 2021

...when it's about ego and being butthurt. Why? This:



and this:

https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/interview-flap-shows-challenges-as-harris-settles-in-as-vp

It's pettiness translating into bad politics.


Edited to add: senators know there's a good chance they can outlast a president, particularly one who doesn't get anything done, because of their six year terms. These guys can be sure their treachery won't be forgotten.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
17. Manchins actions were made clear in the congressional hearing.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 12:08 PM
Oct 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215993337

For the first time, Woods and the heads of three other major petroleum companies were questioned under oath at a congressional hearing into the industry’s long campaign to discredit and deny the evidence that burning fossil fuels drove global heating. When pressed to make specific pledges or to stop lobbying against climate initiatives, all four executives declined.


This is the same chief executive of ExxonMobil, Darren Woods that talks to Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-W.Va.) office every week and he personally has participated in calls with lawmakers on the Democrats’ spending plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/28/exxon-ceo-accused-lying-climate-science-congressional-panel

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/578983-exxon-ceo-says-he-had-calls-with-lawmakers-on-reconciliation

They also come after an Exxon lobbyist was caught on tape discussing efforts to influence several members of congress on the reconciliation bill, including saying he talks to Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-W.Va.) office every week.

Manchin, a key Senate swing vote, later denied having weekly meetings with the lobbyist.

His opposition has resulted in at least one key climate program being cut from Democrats' spending package, which would have incentivized energy companies to move away from fossil fuel use.

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Fla Dem

(23,339 posts)
6. Get it done while we have the 3 branches. Get rid of the Filibuster. Pass the Voting Rights Bill.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:10 AM
Oct 2021

Then go out and campaign like never before on your accomplishments and how the rethugs let their constituents down. Then come back in 2023 with a larger majority so Manchin and Sinema are not relevant and get the rest of the BBB Bill done.

My hope.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
8. What a fucking joke. "The progressive were one of the last obstacles,"
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:16 AM
Oct 2021

Obstacles blocking Sinema and Manchin's agenda ? The orginal bill had the support of the President and 48 other member of the caucus.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. And yet Manchin and Sinema STILL have not committed to vote for the framework
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:19 AM
Oct 2021

that President Biden released on Thursday but THAT gets buried down article.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
19. ++++ Frankly, I'm not convinced we'd even have a $1.75 trillion BBB bill were it not for members of
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 12:42 PM
Oct 2021

the progressive caucus beating the drum on these issues consistently over the past how many years?

And progressives are the obstacle? What's the definition of smug?

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TxGuitar

(4,146 posts)
11. We are just so f-ing tired of all of this...
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:25 AM
Oct 2021

We are now making plans to just move to Ireland in 2 years- (Irish/US citizens)....
Nothing changes here- Old boss, same as the new boss.

Obstructionists everywhere; dem's not united at all......

We have lived in Ireland and England before and are aware that some problems are the same in all three places, but at least in Ireland politics didn't seem so depressing.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
14. The truth is that the Senate was designed to "moderate" the rabble elected in the House.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:31 AM
Oct 2021

And back then, the Senators were not even directly elected, but appointed by the state legislatures.

But, hey, The Republic of Ireland is very appealing, but don't leave us.

Time is on our side.

Bayard

(21,801 posts)
12. 3.5 trillion pared down to 1.8 trillion
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:26 AM
Oct 2021

Because two assholes screamed and stomped their feet. And still no commitment to voting for it.

I'm trying to see the glass as half full instead of half empty.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
16. Worse than that, it was $6T
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 11:53 AM
Oct 2021

the compromised was 3.5T. Then the screaming and stomping started.

It's disgusting.

Bayard

(21,801 posts)
29. Dang....
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 10:56 PM
Oct 2021

Guess I was asleep when that figure floated. That makes the posturing even more disgusting.

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Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
32. My fiancee, a nonbinary die-hard leftist, asked me recently if there were any Progressive parties.
Sun Oct 31, 2021, 12:23 PM
Oct 2021

They're from out-of-country. I had no honest answer, especially thanks to those fuckin' deadbeat right-wing clowns and their enablers.

Just had to lie to them and say "trust me, there's a difference", when they know damn well I'm lying to them through my teeth.

20. Manchin will wait until the last moment to draw his next red line.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 01:06 PM
Oct 2021

You can be sure it will involve reducing or even eliminating one of the social programs which would help his constituents. Why? Because he can.

He's still working on his tan, and dreading the day he has to go to work knowing that no one is going to be hanging on his every word.

Deminpenn

(15,246 posts)
23. Shocker! Just like Jayapal said last night on
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 01:37 PM
Oct 2021

TMRS. The progressive caucus got the bill, read the language, found it acceptable and are on board with it now.

3825-87867

(827 posts)
25. Every single item cut from BBB
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 02:36 PM
Oct 2021

is just like Christmas Morning for Corporations and more money in Big Biz pockets thanks to Manchin and Sinema and a number of DINOs. It's almost as much appreciated as the 2017 2.7 trillion tax cut that will cause such a calamity in 2025.

So basically we've given the Right a Bailout, Two massive tax cuts, a Right Wing Supreme Court, a continued useless filibuster, permission by white supremacist right-wing groups with the help of constitutionally ignoring, oath breaking politicians to attack and ransack the Congress and kill police protecting that building while only suffering wrist slaps from an impotent or traitorous DOJ, literally hundreds of Right-Wing Judges, are on the verge of banning abortion and limiting voting rights to whites.

DO I have that correct?

Anything I forgot?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
26. The progressive wing always has to give in
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 02:50 PM
Oct 2021

Then they get blamed for being so "demanding".

The trick is to know when to make that inevitable capitulation to the corporate wing to take what you can get. You have to be sure that they will not suddenly curtsy, and suddenly turn their thumbs down, and skip away asking for even more social spending written out. I just pray they didn't jump the gun too soon.

tirebiter

(2,520 posts)
30. Biden has been in talks with all factions even when the factions aren't talking to each other
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 05:57 AM
Oct 2021

And he’s been a good judge of timing.

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