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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:35 PM

'Grave concern' over Covid in Europe as German cases soar

Source: AFP

Frankfurt (AFP) – The World Health Organization expressed "grave concern" Thursday over the rising pace of coronavirus infections in Europe, as Germany registered its biggest daily increase since the start of the pandemic.

"We are, once again, at the epicentre," WHO Europe director Hans Kluge told a press conference.

He warned that according to "one reliable projection" the current trajectory would mean "another half a million Covid-19 deaths" by February.

Alarm bells were ringing especially in Germany, the European Union's most populous country, where the number of new cases over the past 24 hours soared to almost 34,000 on Thursday -- an all-time high, according to the Robert Koch Institute health agency.

Read more: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211104-grave-concern-over-covid-in-europe-as-german-cases-soar

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Reply 'Grave concern' over Covid in Europe as German cases soar (Original post)
TheProle Nov 2021 OP
bluewater Nov 2021 #1
Steelrolled Nov 2021 #39
Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #2
Peregrine Took Nov 2021 #5
Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #6
chowder66 Nov 2021 #3
Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #20
bamagal62 Nov 2021 #4
SergeStorms Nov 2021 #24
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #7
Fla Dem Nov 2021 #19
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #26
global1 Nov 2021 #8
iluvtennis Nov 2021 #11
dickthegrouch Nov 2021 #12
BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #9
Ghost Dog Nov 2021 #38
BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #41
angrychair Nov 2021 #10
NYC Liberal Nov 2021 #21
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #27
LisaL Nov 2021 #32
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #33
LisaL Nov 2021 #34
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #35
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #40
Tetrachloride Nov 2021 #13
grantcart Nov 2021 #15
no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #14
slater71 Nov 2021 #16
Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #17
LittleGirl Nov 2021 #25
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #28
rockfordfile Nov 2021 #18
Fiendish Thingy Nov 2021 #22
IbogaProject Nov 2021 #23
zipplewrath Nov 2021 #29
DFW Nov 2021 #30
LisaL Nov 2021 #31
DFW Nov 2021 #36
Shanti Shanti Shanti Nov 2021 #37

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:40 PM

1. I remember when I was called a "doomer" for expressing concern about the delta variant...

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Response to bluewater (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:27 AM

39. I loved that term "doomer" - I thought it was quite clever.

 

But I have to admit I don't hear it much anymore.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:41 PM

2. some hoax eh 45? Dumbass

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:01 PM

5. Its all on him but, like those nonchalent killers you see on the crime shows,

it doesn't bother him a bit.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:05 PM

6. yeah mob bosses don't give a shit. And that's what the Don is. Sure set the tone for where we are.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:42 PM

3. More...

German Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Wednesday that the country of 83 million people was facing a "massive" pandemic among the unvaccinated and that intensive care beds were starting to run out in some regions.

"Corona is once again raging with full force, the fourth wave is hitting us hard," the top-selling Bild daily wrote.


The WHO blamed a combination of insufficient vaccination rates and a relaxation of preventative measures like mask-wearing and social distancing.

Hospital admission rates were higher in countries where fewer people are vaccinated, Kluge added.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:19 PM

20. So a Massive pandemic among UNVACCINATED...these uns will kill us all still.

How far does the freedom of the cray extend if it extends into our public safety?

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:47 PM

4. So they blame...

Insufficient vaccination rates and relaxing of restrictions. That’s what happens if we let our guard down. Do we know how many vaccinated are ending up in hospital? Or, is it mostly those that are refusing the vaccine? I didn’t see any stats about that in the article.

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:36 PM

24. No stats, but it's clearly the unvaccinated...

who are getting hit the hardest.

"German Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Wednesday that the country of 83 million people was facing a "massive" pandemic among the unvaccinated and that intensive care beds were starting to run out in some regions".

Cold weather is sending more people inside, and that means easier transmission of the virus. Northern red states will be hit first - Alaska is already in the grip of another spike - and as the winter progresses southern red states will feel the punch in the gut of another spike.

The unvaccinated in blue states will also be hit hard. Anyone not getting the jab is a fool. They'll clog up the hospitals again, so many others who need life saving surgery for non-COVID issues will die as well.

Fuck you Trump, and everyone who politicized this pandemic.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:09 PM

7. Any word on the severity of these cases?

I would expect new variants to be more transmissible, but hoping they would be less severe.

Looks like we're in it for the long haul. I never stopped masking and have an appointment for a booster shot next week.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:19 PM

19. If they're running out of Hospital beds, the cases are severe. Would not hospitalize mild cases.

and if projecting "another half a million Covid-19 deaths" by February then it's extremely serious. It took the US almost 2 years to reach 3/4 of million deaths..

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:47 PM

26. German government claims it's mostly unvaccinated people being hospitalized

rather than some new variant breaking through. Their vaccination rate is lower than the US.

Vaccines are still the best way to avoid hospitalization or death.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:12 PM

8. This Happening In Germany Now Is Coming At A Time When....

when things across our country (U.S.) seems to be easing with respect to Covid an the relaxation of masking requirements and talk of getting back to normal.

We've been here before. We push the button too fast to attempt to get back to some normalcy - and what happens?

This pandemic rears its ugly head and hits us again with a vengeance.

Is this surge in Germany a harbinger of things to come here again - particularly if we are in this mode of letting down our guard again.

And this is happening at the seasonal point of the year - Thanksgiving Holidays, Christmas and New Years - travel season - where spread comes easy.

Haven't we learned our lesson yet - and why can't we wait and have some patience with the easing of restrictions - until we know for sure that this pandemic is behind us.

We can't be that far away from maximum vaccinations and possibly a herd immunity.

Why are we again rushing to say it's over? At least wait to see what shakes out in Germany before we jump the gun again.

Will we ever learn?

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Response to global1 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:37 PM

11. Well sad @global1. And we never seem to acknowledge that the US will follow suit of what's

happening in Europe. That's been the trend since in early 2020, but it seems we aren't learning that lesson

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Response to global1 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:37 PM

12. I entirely agree

No relaxation until after Jan 15th. If anything I’d go for complete lockdown worldwide until at least 75% vaccination rate everywhere.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:21 PM

9. They have been watching the UK as a "canary" (and test bed for mitigation or lack thereof)

NEWS EXPLAINER
02 November 2021

Why scientists worldwide are watching UK COVID infections
The country’s relaxation of measures such as masking — especially in England — is showing the limits of relying on vaccines alone.

Luke Taylor


The COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom has often foreshadowed what came later elsewhere. The highly contagious Alpha variant was first detected there, and the country then reported high caseloads of the more-contagious Delta strain before this variant dispersed around the rest of the world. The United Kingdom also saw a wave of infections that seems to have preceded a similar glut now sweeping Western Europe. Furthermore, England was among the first regions in Western Europe to lift almost all of its COVID-19 restrictions, following one of the world’s fastest vaccine roll-outs.

It ended the legal requirements for social distancing and mask use on 19 July, with Wales and Scotland — which set their own public-health policies — lifting most of their restrictions on 7 and 9 August, respectively. Northern Ireland followed on 31 October. As one of the first countries to trust high vaccine coverage and public responsibility alone to control the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the United Kingdom has become a control experiment that scientists across the world are studying. “We are watching the increase in cases closely, trying to dissect what is going on and how that might influence our situation right now,” says Rafael Radi, a biochemist and coordinator of Uruguay’s COVID-19 Scientific Advisory Group.

Can vaccines alone prevent infections from surging?

The United Kingdom was hit by three million infections between July and October this year — comparable to when the country was under a strict lockdown in late 2020. This is despite 79.5% of those aged 12 years and older having received two vaccine doses as of 31 October. UK infection rates are higher than those in countries in continental Europe, where COVID-19 restrictions were relaxed later or remain in place. In the 7 days between 17 October and 23 October, Spain recorded 286 infections per one million people, and Germany 1,203. The United Kingdom registered 4,868 over the same week.

The surge in infections shows that vaccines alone cannot contain the virus, say scientists calling for the introduction of ‘soft’ public-health measures to avoid another lockdown. “The vaccines are amazing and doing exactly what they’re supposed to do,” says Susan Butler-Wu, director of medical microbiology at the LAC+USC Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. “But why don’t we want to give them the best chance by combining them with other measures?”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03003-6


So far here in Philly, we have actually validated some of this by reintroducing mitigation such as mandating masking indoors and in schools (since August). And while we are 66+% ages 12+ fully vaxxed here, our positivity rates are lower (by half in fact) than the higher-vaxxed surrounding suburbs, none of which have mask mandates for indoors (only recommendations).




TEXT

Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
November 4, 2021 COVID-19 update:

233 new cases
169,242 Philadelphians diagnosed with COVID-19
3,997 Philadelphians have died from COVID-19
2.2% positivity rate

For more information: http://ow.ly/oD5Q50F9ZpR
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12:30 PM · Nov 4, 2021


That has caused hand-wringing by the local media here who make insulting the city a spectator sport (as they all live in the 'burbs). For example, CDC has us at 66% fully vaxxed (12+) (link - https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view|Risk|community_transmission_level), but the Inky is still showing old data of only "56%" in their articles that they refuse to update out of spite or lazy journalism.

Philly is less vaccinated than the suburbs, but those counties’ COVID-19 cases are higher. Does masking make the difference?


by Jason Laughlin and Aseem Shukla
Published Oct 30, 2021

The latest pandemic paradox in the Philadelphia region is that the city, while less vaccinated than virtually all its neighboring counties, has a lower rate of COVID-19 cases than any of them. This has continued even as the suburban counties outstrip Philadelphia’s vaccination rates. The city has fully vaccinated about 56% of its total population. Only Gloucester County has a lower vaccination rate. Bucks, Delaware, and Burlington Counties all have vaccination rates of nearly 65% or better.

Yet COVID-19 is still infecting a larger percentage of their populations. The reasons for the seemingly counterintuitive trend are not clear, but the Philadelphia Department of Public Health has a theory. “The only difference I see is the mask mandate,” said Cheryl Bettigole, the city’s acting health commissioner. “It’s hard to see what the difference is otherwise.”

Philadelphia reinstated its indoor mask mandate in August as the delta variant drove a new surge in COVID-19 cases. The mandate remains in effect and the city said in early September that it had no intentions of ending it any time soon. There is no similar indoor mask mandate through the rest of the state. New Jersey recommends indoor masking but does not mandate it.

City-gathered data from early October found about 80% of people entering and exiting shops had masks on, and the majority were wearing them correctly, said James Garrow, a health department spokesperson.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/mask-philadelphia-pennsylvania-mandate-covid-montgomery-chester-20211030.html


To me it's common sense and as a trained scientist myself, there is absolutely nothing wrong with including "common sense" (like masking up in close quarters) when doing scientific data evaluations.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:43 PM

38. These statistics are quite clear:

 

... In the 7 days between 17 October and 23 October, Spain recorded 286 infections per one million people, and Germany 1,203. The United Kingdom registered 4,868 over the same week...


Mitigation efforts, which have almost entirely ceased in the UK, are still quite strict in Spain. Germany appears to have many antivaxxers and "plandemic" theorists, according to my contacts there.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 5, 2021, 04:59 AM

41. Over a year ago

we saw a similar situation of mitigation vs no mitigation in a "pre-vaccination" situation, where Sweden had little or lockdowns, let alone any masking or social distancing mandates (only recommendations). They were initially "praised" by the media for a "success" until that flawed strategy was finally laid to rest.

October 29, 202111:25 AM EDT Last Updated 7 days ago
World
Sweden acted too slowly as pandemic swept country, commission finds
By Johan Ahlander and Niklas Pollard


STOCKHOLM, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Sweden's response to the spread of coronavirus was too slow and preparations to handle a pandemic were insufficient, a commission investigating the country's response to COVID-19 said on Friday. Sweden's strategy, shunning lockdowns and measures such as widespread use of face masks and only gradually tightening curbs, made the country an outlier in the first year of the pandemic when many countries across Europe chose to implement far tougher restrictions.The country kept most schools, businesses, bars and restaurants open in startling contrast with a locked-down Europe, relying on voluntary recommendations even as its death toll rapidly eclipsed those if its Nordic neighbours.

Meanwhile, mass testing for the virus and contact tracing only got underway after a first wave which killed over two thousand people in the nation's nursing homes had all but petered out. The commission said it would address Sweden's no-lockdown strategy in its final report, but that its preliminary findings showed that measures were introduced late both in relation to the country's Nordic neighbours and the spread of the virus in Sweden during the spring of 2020. "Sweden's handling of the pandemic has been marked by a slowness of response," the commission said.

"The initial disease prevention and control measures were insufficient to stop or even substantially limit the spread of the virus in the country." The commission, appointed by the government amid pressure from parliament, also noted that it had taken "far too long" to build sufficient testing capacity with initially only targeted groups, such as healthcare staff, being tested.Health Minister Lena Hallengren told Reuters she would wait for the final report before assessing the overall handling, but said that there were things that could have been done better."We have started work in many areas, such as preparing a new communicable diseases act. We are, of course, trying to learn in many areas from this crisis," she said.

(snip)

Mass testing took months to get up and running amid discussions over responsibility and funding, a delay the commission labelled "a complete failure", while it noted the health agency had adopted some tougher measures during the second wave which it had rejected during the first, likely sowing confusion and undermining compliance. Sweden has recorded more than 15,000 deaths from coronavirus, many times the per capita level of its Nordic neighbours that implemented tougher restrictions, but still lower than in most European countries that locked down tightly, such as Britain. Its pandemic strategy has been controversial at home and abroad. Critics have called it reckless and cruel but the approach has also earned praise for being more sustainable and business-friendly and as a model for living with the virus as it becomes endemic.

(snip)

https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-acted-too-slowly-pandemic-hit-commission-finds-2021-10-29/


As a note, Sweden has around the same population (10.4 million) as the state of Georgia (10.6 million).

There was an interesting study published by Nature over the summer comparing the strategies deployed by the UK, Sweden, and Norway and how the timing of implementing certain strategies may have lead to different outcomes - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:24 PM

10. Do is the surge due to a new variant?

I knew they were looking at a Delta+ variant at one point. Is the spike due to a more transmissable variant?

Seems like it works be at this point.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:24 PM

21. Article doesn't say, but it does mention that it is "among the unvaccinated".

The anti-vaxxers are going to kill a lot of people as they allow the virus to keep mutating.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:49 PM

27. German health ministry claims it's unvaccinated being hospitalized

their vaccination rate is lower than the US

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:21 PM

32. It's higher.

They are 66.8% fully vaccinated. US is only 58.1 % fully vaccinated.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:24 PM

33. Where did you get the US number?

I thought we were in the 70s because of mandates

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Response to LisaL (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:30 PM

35. That's disappointing

I confused it with my local number of 75.5%

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Response to LisaL (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 5, 2021, 12:30 AM

40. Yep, yet another country that surpassed the USA...

... despite our head start.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:40 PM

13. Egypt is rising

People are overconfident because of the very low summer infection . tourist workers are
vaccinated but microbuses are unmasked.

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:58 PM

15. Thailand is exploding

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 02:40 PM

14. I remember hoards of Germans

protesting Angela Merkl about not wearing masks.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 03:20 PM

16. The date from this story is 4/11/2021.

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Response to slater71 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 03:23 PM

17. Yes. That's today.

 

That's how they write out the dates there: day/month/year.

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Response to slater71 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:42 PM

25. That's today, European method of day/month/year. Nt

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Response to slater71 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:50 PM

28. Outside the US, that means November 4.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 03:38 PM

18. Get vaccinated

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:27 PM

22. Here in BC we are at around 85% fully vaccinated, but cases have exploded among unvaxed

Something like 88-89% of ICU patients are unvaccinated in Vancouver Island hospitals. The past two weeks, since Canadian Thanksgiving, has seen a record number of cases each day.

Delta appears to be burning through the unvaccinated population of BC (about 750,000 out of 5 million) at a rapid rate.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:35 PM

23. Vaccination plus mask & staying away from crowds

Vaccination plus mask & staying away from crowds is still needed. This isn't over by a long shot. Full social distancing over the first 6 months could have slowed this down a lot. But a spoiled brat needed to have rallies.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 05:21 PM

29. Clear and Present Danger

I'm sorry, and I worry about this attitude. But these insurrectionist present a clear and present danger. I know that sounds dire, but really, these folks don't understand how democracy works and are willing to undermine it to achieve their goals. Defeating these viruses require us to act in concert. And when we don't, it is a threat to us all, which as near as I can tell is the majority. So.....

At some point don't we have to classify these people as "domestic intellectual terrorists" and move on?

I'm tired of "I've done my own research and...". They aren't qualified to do that research and it is killing us all. I'm sorry, if you're not qualified to do the work, you don't get to DO the work.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:06 PM

30. The anti-vax sentiment is strong in Germany

The conspiracy theorists are everywhere, and the ignorance even among highly educated people is astoundingly high. Plus, Germany is a densely populated country, with a highly mobile population and nine other countries on its borders. Even down in supposedly sensible Switzerland last week, there was guy looking like an American redneck in the train, unmasked until the conductor made him put it on. He spoke accent-free Swiss German, so I‘m pretty sure he was a local.

I am in Spain for the night, and where it was a disaster area a year ago, the government here has gotten very sensible, and infection rates here are quite low for the moment.

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:20 PM

31. Germany is still better vaccinated than US.

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:09 PM

36. We are far more densely populated

And we have land borders with NL, B, L, F, CH, A, CZ, PL and DK. Far fewer unvaxxed people can cause a lot more damage under our conditions.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:39 PM

37. Wonder where they are in that every 2 months surge graph? Are we due again? N/T

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