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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:06 PM

Memo from Trump attorney outlined how Pence could overturn election, says new book

Source: ABC News

In a memo not made public until now, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows emailed to Vice President Mike Pence's top aide, on New Year's Eve, a detailed plan for undoing President Joe Biden's election victory, ABC News' Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl reports.

The memo, written by former President Donald Trump's campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis, is reported for the first time in Karl's upcoming book, "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show" -- demonstrating how Pence was under even more pressure than previously known to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Ellis, in the memo, outlined a multi-step strategy: On Jan. 6, the day Congress was to certify the 2020 election results, Pence was to send back the electoral votes from six battleground states that Trump falsely claimed he had won.

The memo said that Pence would give the states a deadline of "7pm eastern standard time on January 15th" to send back a new set of votes, according to Karl.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/memo-trump-attorney-outlined-pence-overturn-election-book/story?id=81134003



Another view of the planning for the insurrection.

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Reply Memo from Trump attorney outlined how Pence could overturn election, says new book (Original post)
erronis Nov 14 OP
erronis Nov 14 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 14 #2
reACTIONary Nov 14 #14
erronis Nov 14 #3
llmart Nov 14 #4
bucolic_frolic Nov 14 #5
Thomas Hurt Nov 14 #6
Peregrine Took Nov 14 #8
secondwind Nov 14 #18
Fiendish Thingy Nov 14 #7
Hugh_Lebowski Nov 16 #20
Fiendish Thingy Nov 16 #21
maxsolomon Nov 14 #9
Grasswire2 Nov 14 #17
LetMyPeopleVote Nov 14 #10
Evolve Dammit Nov 14 #11
Kid Berwyn Nov 14 #12
question everything Nov 14 #15
Raven123 Nov 14 #13
mrsadm Nov 14 #16
malthaussen Nov 15 #19

Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:14 PM

1. More from the ABC article

Then, Ellis wrote, if any state legislature missed that deadline, "no electoral votes can be opened and counted from that state."

Such a scenario would leave neither Biden nor Trump with a majority of votes, Ellis wrote, which would mean "Congress shall vote by state delegation" -- which, Ellis said, would in turn lead to Trump being declared the winner due to Republicans controlling the majority of state delegations with 26.

The day after Meadows sent Ellis' memo to Pence's aide, on Jan. 1, Trump aide John McEntee sent another memo to Pence's chief of staff, Marc Short, titled, "Jefferson used his position as VP to win."

Although McEntee's memo was historically incorrect, Karl says, his message was clear: Jefferson took advantage of his position, and Pence must do the same.

What followed during that first week of January was an effort by Trump, both personally and publicly, to push his vice president to take away Biden's victory.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:14 PM

2. Pence was scared shitless & found backbone right after, but then a month later was saying no big dea


During the riot he was scared shitless as evidenced by the fact that he didn't want to get into any cars with Secret Service agents, saying he might never be seen again.

And the next day or week he was firm about how certifying the vote to accept the certifications was the right thing to do.

Not sure of timing, but it wasn't long after that Pence was downplaying the rioters, kissing up to the MAGAts.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 06:39 PM

14. Not true...

RE: "saying he might never be seen again"

This is not true. The secrete service was determined to evacuate him from the capitol and he was determined to stay. As a compromise it was suggested that he get in the car, ready to go, if, at the last minute they needed to move him out quick. He thought it was a trick to evacuate him, so he refused.

He insisted that he remain in the capital building and he insisted that the proceedings be resumed as soon as the capitol was cleared, even though some suggested they be delayed until the next day.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:18 PM

3. Via digby and Daily Show: Pence Eye-Banging Trump

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Response to erronis (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:45 PM

4. Mike Pence is a seriously screwed up guy.

How gullible do you have to be to allow a guy like Trump to treat you like shit and you come back smiling like you're asking for more?

SMH

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Response to llmart (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:56 PM

5. Maybe Pence was getting something he liked? /nt

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 03:02 PM

6. Wouldn't surprise me, if his kink is letting mother dominate him.

Not sure it should be surprising coming from a rabid evangelical who lives his life by a big daddy in the sky religion, a patriarchy, a single male clergy based church structure.

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Response to llmart (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 03:31 PM

8. Recall the bizarre, sequential water bottles being placed on the floor 1 second apart?

How on earth that was supposed to please trump I don't know.

For some reason it makes me think of the old humiliation of using your defeated enemy as your footstool.

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Response to llmart (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 07:16 PM

18. Because this was his biggest GIG ever.......... lol

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 03:27 PM

7. At this rate, the committee won't need to get testimony from these big fish

Someone is leaking like a sieve, and this memo, and others like it, if substantiated, could be enough for criminal referrals even if the big fish donít testify.

Iím wondering who provided Karl with a copy of Meadowsí email and Ellisís memoÖ

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 16, 2021, 11:22 AM

20. Think there's laws against hatching a scheme to convince the VP he has powers he really doesn't?

I kinda doubt there are any.

Lame-ducks can apparently hamstring their duly-elected replacement, up to and including making up bogus claims of fraud, and leveraging government power (like letters to DoJ) and just generally doing everything possible to prevent their successor's ascension to the position.

Dems would be wise to try to pass some laws against this sort of thing now, while in power, but I've not heard a word about anyone doing anything to shore up the situation.

I guess not, since, after all ... the election system 'held' ... this time.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 16, 2021, 11:48 AM

21. Conspiracy to defraud the US, Seditious conspiracy both apply

Iím not suggesting those crimes will likely be prosecuted, at least not against Trump, but the actions certainly fit the statutes.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:04 PM

9. So, this is different than the one Eastman wrote?

Or a confirming memo?

Trump's entire MO is "If it's not explicitly written that it's illegal, it's legal, so why not do it?".

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 07:13 PM

17. different nt

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:15 PM

10. Jenna Ellis, a traffic ticket lawyer became a personal lawyer to TFG

Ellis needs to be disbarred

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:51 PM

11. another seditionist traitor. Lock her up too. "a new set of votes." JFC.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 05:45 PM

12. Seems to be a common theme.

The treasonous John Eastman had a six-point plan proffered up to Dumpler.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 07:08 PM

15. Lest we forget, Eastman is the one who claimed that Harris was not an

American citizen.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 06:38 PM

13. Gotta wonder if some of the staff are just fed up.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 07:11 PM

16. I don't understand the difference between

this memo and the Eastman memo. Anyone understand this?

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Mon Nov 15, 2021, 09:25 AM

19. It wasn't a plan, it was a fantasy.

These guys remind me of a bunch of kids sitting in a treehouse and fantasizing. There was virtually no chance of making their fantasies a reality, but they sounded so cool on paper.

And while those clowns pushed, the idiots queued up to attempt a violent insurrection, but fortunately couldn't find their asses with both hands and blew it. The Marx Brothers could have done better.

-- Mal

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