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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,646 posts)
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:18 PM Nov 2021

Federal judge questions Democrats' effort to obtain Trump tax returns

Source: The Hill

A federal judge on Tuesday questioned a House committee's pursuit of former President Trump's tax returns.

During a hearing in a long-running lawsuit from the House Ways and Means Committee, U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden appeared concerned about the prospect of allowing the panel to obtain Trump's personal records.

During one exchange, he questioned the Biden administration's Justice Department lawyer over the agency's reversal in the case.

"If Congress changes hands in a couple years here and a Republican chairman of the Ways and Means Committee asks for Hunter Biden's tax returns, are we just going to say, 'Oh, sure. You know, we've got to defer to Congress. They've said they're interested in legislating on presidential families, therefore we've got to turn them over'? Is that going to be the administration's position?" McFadden said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-questions-democrats-effort-to-obtain-trump-tax-returns/ar-AAQMCYt



McFadden must be one of the unqualified idiot nominees who was quickly confirmed.

First of all the request was made last session when Trump was still president.

Second Hunter Biden is not an elected official. The judge's what-aboutism is childish.

Between this guy, the 5th circuit court of appeals and the judge presiding over the Rittenhouse trial it seems we have some real mental midgets in our court system.
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Federal judge questions Democrats' effort to obtain Trump tax returns (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 OP
Yup. COL Mustard Nov 2021 #1
My experience with the Federal Court system is no WA-03 Democrat Nov 2021 #2
If a congressional committee requested Hunter Biden's tax returns Nictuku Nov 2021 #3
That's my understanding Bayard Nov 2021 #15
Should a Republican led Senate be able to demand Pelosi's tax returns? MichMan Nov 2021 #19
Congressional Committee, regardles of majority party Nictuku Nov 2021 #25
So you think yes,they should in the examples I mentioned MichMan Nov 2021 #26
Same Rules Nictuku Nov 2021 #27
Your post said nothing about having courts agree about legitimate congressional business MichMan Nov 2021 #28
Everything you think the republicans will do if the democrats are allowed to they have already done. DeeNice Nov 2021 #29
Was Ken Starr a member of congress ? MichMan Nov 2021 #30
If Hunter Biden is in elected office and or is appointed to a federal office then Congress cstanleytech Nov 2021 #4
Exactly Rebl2 Nov 2021 #8
Plus by invoking Hunter the judge has shown bias. cstanleytech Nov 2021 #23
That sounds like rather a giant loophole that could be exploited by some future nefarious Repub. Calista241 Nov 2021 #20
they will say yes if a Democrat's taxes were been requested samsingh Nov 2021 #5
How do we get these unqualified jokers BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #6
Christ - They'll find the Lost Ark of the Covenant before we see his tax returns packman Nov 2021 #7
Didn't indiana Jones find that? soldierant Nov 2021 #12
Judge is a hard core wingnut. Appointed by the orange guy. mn9driver Nov 2021 #9
Federalist Society and the whole ball of wax. CBHagman Nov 2021 #14
That's a fair question... zaj Nov 2021 #10
I'd like the judges EndlessWire Nov 2021 #18
That's kind of the whole point of the federal court system. Calista241 Nov 2021 #21
They are clarifying the argument the atty is making zaj Nov 2021 #22
Shocking! Appointed during traitor trump. C Moon Nov 2021 #11
"Whatabout when Republicans request President Biden's taxes? Oh that's right. Never mind." Marcuse Nov 2021 #13
Maybe the judge didn't get the memo....that Congress has the right to have that information... turbinetree Nov 2021 #16
My guess is that the justice dept doesn't care about what happens in future congresses. Steelrolled Nov 2021 #17
I wonder what reason he'd make up to hide TFG's tax returns if he were still prez? (shudder) LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2021 #24
The law is specific to the House Ways and Means committee Deminpenn Nov 2021 #31

WA-03 Democrat

(3,034 posts)
2. My experience with the Federal Court system is no
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:23 PM
Nov 2021

different than what we are watching. There is no justice in the system.

What's the difference between God and a Federal Judge?

God does not think she is a Federal Judge

Nictuku

(3,583 posts)
3. If a congressional committee requested Hunter Biden's tax returns
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:34 PM
Nov 2021

If a congressional committee requested Hunter Biden's tax returns, then the request would be granted. End of Story. Congress has this right.

Bayard

(21,979 posts)
15. That's my understanding
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:00 AM
Nov 2021

Congress can have anyone's tax returns that they want, and not even a fed judge can deny them.

MichMan

(11,858 posts)
19. Should a Republican led Senate be able to demand Pelosi's tax returns?
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 09:01 AM
Nov 2021

Or Pramila Jayapal or Pete Buttigieg ? What about Rachel Maddow ?

How about a potential challenger to one of the congressional incumbents?

Just because they want to see them for political purposes

Nictuku

(3,583 posts)
27. Same Rules
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 06:58 PM
Nov 2021

But it can go to court, like it has for Trump, and there is a question of legitimate congressional business as a reason for requesting them.

Now if Congress is crooked, and the Courts are crooked, then I think you can see it happen for political purposes (vs congressional legitimacy).

MichMan

(11,858 posts)
28. Your post said nothing about having courts agree about legitimate congressional business
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:04 PM
Nov 2021

You said that if congress requested them, they should get them, even if it is a Hunter Biden as it is their right.

I don't agree that congress has an unlimited right to have anyone's tax returns they want at any time.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
29. Everything you think the republicans will do if the democrats are allowed to they have already done.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:06 PM
Nov 2021

And without reasonable justification like there is with regard to TFG. Remember Ken Starr?

MichMan

(11,858 posts)
30. Was Ken Starr a member of congress ?
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:22 PM
Nov 2021

Ken Starr was a Special Council appointed by Bill Clinton. He was not a member of congress

The courts will rule whether or not they believe the request is legal

cstanleytech

(26,202 posts)
4. If Hunter Biden is in elected office and or is appointed to a federal office then Congress
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:35 PM
Nov 2021

should be granted reasonable access to his taxes, however currently he is not in office nor has he ever been so the judges question is irrelevant.

samsingh

(17,590 posts)
5. they will say yes if a Democrat's taxes were been requested
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 08:36 PM
Nov 2021

two laws - rather law for Democrats and no law for republicans

mn9driver

(4,417 posts)
9. Judge is a hard core wingnut. Appointed by the orange guy.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:19 PM
Nov 2021

He is qualified on paper, but his rulings are consistently hard right Trump humper. He has been reversed more than once on this kind of bullshit.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
10. That's a fair question...
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:27 PM
Nov 2021

It's about the boundaries and limits of the ruling. It helps the attorneys establish their reasoning I'm advance. It's not necessarily a negative at all.

EndlessWire

(6,441 posts)
18. I'd like the judges
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:10 AM
Nov 2021

to rule on the law that is before them, and not create a "what if" policy. There are always a lot of what ifs available. I mean, what if aliens land in the parking lot? This guy is playing a hand in the Congressional Civil War.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
21. That's kind of the whole point of the federal court system.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 09:15 AM
Nov 2021

They think about these what ifs and make rulings on them. That's one reason the Supreme Court is issuing these very narrow rulings so that they only affect this one case in these specific circumstances. Roberts, and the rest of the court, has been after the district courts and appellate courts to narrow their rulings and refrain from creating nationwide policy.

C Moon

(12,207 posts)
11. Shocking! Appointed during traitor trump.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 11:10 PM
Nov 2021

Judge Trevor N. McFadden was appointed to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in 2017.

I’ll bet he got a phone call a couple days ago, telling him to do this

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
17. My guess is that the justice dept doesn't care about what happens in future congresses.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:56 AM
Nov 2021

They care about what happens now. Politics excels at short-term thinking.

24. I wonder what reason he'd make up to hide TFG's tax returns if he were still prez? (shudder)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:51 PM
Nov 2021

He'd probably open his box of Official Joe Manchin Red Lines and pull one out at random.

Deminpenn

(15,264 posts)
31. The law is specific to the House Ways and Means committee
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 06:48 AM
Nov 2021

and the request must serve a legitimate legislative purpose.

Since Pelosi and most other politicians already voluntarily make their tax returns public, there's no need to ask the IRS to provide them.

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