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BumRushDaShow

(128,925 posts)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:22 AM Nov 2021

As Gas Prices Surge, Biden Tells F.T.C. to Investigate 'Illegal Conduct'

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Biden asked the Federal Trade Commission on Wednesday to consider whether “illegal conduct” by large oil and gas companies is pushing up gasoline prices for American consumers, the latest effort by the administration to target concentration in the energy industry in a bid to bring down prices at the pump.

The move is unlikely to spur immediate action by the F.T.C., which has the power to break up large industry players, and it is unlikely to affect gasoline prices materially any time soon. But it could spur the commission to open an investigation to gather data on how companies set gasoline prices, which could be used in future enforcement actions.

Mr. Biden’s letter to Lina Khan, the antitrust champion he appointed as chair of the commission, claims “mounting evidence of anti-consumer behavior by oil and gas companies.” The president noted that prices at the pump have risen even as the costs of refined fuel have fallen and industry profits have gone up. The two largest players in the industry, ExxonMobil and Chevron, have doubled their net income since 2019, he wrote, while announcing billions of dollars in plans to issue dividends and buy back stock.

The average gallon of gas was nearly $3.40 in the United States on Monday, according to the Energy Information Agency, its highest price in seven years. If the gap between refined fuel costs and gasoline prices at the pump were to return to normal prepandemic levels, drivers would be paying as much as 25 cents less per gallon, White House officials estimate. Earlier this year, Mr. Biden asked the commission to monitor the gasoline market for any illegal conduct. The commission responded by increasing scrutiny of mergers in the oil and gas industry.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/business/biden-gas-prices.html



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As Gas Prices Surge, Biden Tells F.T.C. to Investigate 'Illegal Conduct' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 OP
That has been my suspicion, the push from Biden to go electric is being opposed via the gas prices Escurumbele Nov 2021 #1
And one of the other reasons it's fishy BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #4
Dam right larwdem Nov 2021 #6
Oil makes the rules. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #2
KICK orangecrush Nov 2021 #3
That's what I thought all along larwdem Nov 2021 #5
And guess what? BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #9
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Big Oil was sabotaging Biden ITower68 Nov 2021 #7
I assume this to be true until proven otherwise. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #11
Not surprised to see the Industry... tonekat Nov 2021 #8
"They'll make their obscene profits no matter what!" EX500rider Nov 2021 #10
Not surprised durablend Nov 2021 #12
Excellent! traitorsgalore Nov 2021 #13
They should investigate the "shipping crisis"too. nt live love laugh Nov 2021 #14
The games oil companies play with gas prices has been going on for a very long time. Steelrolled Nov 2021 #15

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
1. That has been my suspicion, the push from Biden to go electric is being opposed via the gas prices
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:20 PM
Nov 2021

There is something fishy going on because there is no real reason why gas prices should have gone up that rapidly and that much. I have to suspect republicans have something to do with it as well.

BumRushDaShow

(128,925 posts)
4. And one of the other reasons it's fishy
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:36 PM
Nov 2021

is that they tell us that the "winter blend" is always "cheaper" so usually the prices drop this time of year vs right before Memorial Day when they are adding more ethanol and other additives to create the "summer blend", which is "more expensive".

In the spring of 2020, Saudi and Russia engaged in such a huge ramp up of production and price war, that they reached a point of a "negative" price per barrel, basically being willing to PAY buyers to "store it" since places were glutted and there was no place to put it.

I even caught a snapshot from MarketWatch when it hit one of its negative peaks -



I do get that you do have a truck driver shortage (and you can't just throw a random Uber driver behind the wheel of an oil rig, which requires some specialized training/certification), but still.

larwdem

(758 posts)
5. That's what I thought all along
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:54 PM
Nov 2021

The fucking oil scum are inflating prices to make Biden look bad. Prices will come down just from this news.

BumRushDaShow

(128,925 posts)
9. And guess what?
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:37 PM
Nov 2021

I saw it start happening earlier and then heard it on my local news radio business report about 10 minutes ago, and right after I posted the OP, it started going down. It bottomed out down ~$3/bbl, although it's trying to recover...



ITower68

(23 posts)
7. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Big Oil was sabotaging Biden
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:40 PM
Nov 2021

They hate how many green energy projects Biden has already passed, and how many more are gonna get funded with the Build Back Better agenda!

tonekat

(1,814 posts)
8. Not surprised to see the Industry...
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:42 PM
Nov 2021

...making up for the months of the Pandemic when nobody drove anywhere except the grocery and the pharmacy. They'll make their obscene profits no matter what!

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
10. "They'll make their obscene profits no matter what!"
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:58 PM
Nov 2021

What % of profit do you consider "obscene"?

In 2019 Exxon had $264b in total sales, gross income of $53b and net profit of $14b.
I would not consider that a lot on that much sales. That's around a 5% profit margin, pretty thin I'd say.
In 2020 they lost $-22b

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XOM/exxon/revenue

durablend

(7,460 posts)
12. Not surprised
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:05 PM
Nov 2021

I've been watching RBOB prices and they've gone down somewhat in the past several weeks yet the stations are still cranking them higher.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
15. The games oil companies play with gas prices has been going on for a very long time.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 03:14 AM
Nov 2021

I think it is the nature of the markets, and I can't see the FTC doing much about it.

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