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Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:25 AM

Beloved 'dancing grannies' among those killed after driver plows through Wisconsin Christmas parade

Source: msn.com




Jennifer Hassan - 1h ago



The only requirement for joining the Milwaukee Dancing Grannies is to be a grandmother. Each year, the award-winning group performs in more than 20 parades, shuffling through streets and shaking their pompoms which are sometimes silver, sometimes gold.


The grannies say their mission is to entertain audiences, which is what brought them to Waukeshaís Christmas parade ó before a driver in an SUV plowed through the parade, killing at least five people and injuring 40.

Some grannies were killed in the chaos, the group said in a statement shared to Facebook Monday, although it was not immediately clear how many had lost their lives.

5 dead, more than 40 injured after SUV plows into crowd at Christmas parade in Wisconsin
The group said it was ďdevastatedĒ by the incident that took place about 20 miles west of Milwaukee. Police have not provided a motive for the crash.

ďWaukesha here we come!!!Ē read a post published by the grannies to their Facebook, page just hours before the casualties were reported.
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Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/beloved-dancing-grannies-among-those-killed-after-driver-plows-through-wisconsin-christmas-parade/ar-AAR01iu?cvid=ced4915ebda840adafa6db1775cf771f&ocid=winp1taskbar



I saw them in a parade a few years back. So horrible for them and their fans and families--and all impacted by this senseless scene.


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Reply Beloved 'dancing grannies' among those killed after driver plows through Wisconsin Christmas parade (Original post)
riversedge Nov 22 OP
onecaliberal Nov 22 #1
onenote Nov 22 #2
onecaliberal Nov 22 #4
onenote Nov 22 #7
ZonkerHarris Nov 22 #35
Boxerfan Nov 22 #5
onecaliberal Nov 22 #11
AngryOldDem Nov 22 #13
Crepuscular Nov 22 #15
TexasBushwhacker Nov 22 #21
honest.abe Nov 22 #24
Devil Child Nov 22 #37
ripcord Nov 22 #41
JI7 Nov 23 #50
Wicked Blue Nov 22 #9
AllyCat Nov 22 #22
Corgigal Nov 22 #36
AkFemDem Nov 22 #10
FarPoint Nov 22 #16
wnylib Nov 22 #19
AllyCat Nov 22 #23
2Gingersnaps Nov 22 #31
ZonkerHarris Nov 22 #38
AllyCat Nov 22 #25
Polybius Nov 22 #29
Skittles Nov 22 #42
Old Okie Nov 22 #3
madville Nov 22 #6
onenote Nov 22 #8
AngryOldDem Nov 22 #12
Jimbo S Nov 22 #14
geardaddy Nov 22 #18
wnylib Nov 22 #20
geardaddy Nov 22 #28
wnylib Nov 22 #39
geardaddy Nov 22 #40
Polybius Nov 22 #30
2Gingersnaps Nov 22 #32
jvill Nov 22 #17
calimary Nov 22 #26
Coventina Nov 22 #27
tanyev Nov 22 #33
Coventina Nov 22 #34
Withywindle Nov 23 #56
Skittles Nov 22 #43
Coventina Nov 22 #44
AngryOldDem Nov 23 #45
Coventina Nov 23 #47
yardwork Nov 23 #48
milestogo Nov 23 #53
JI7 Nov 23 #49
AngryOldDem Nov 23 #51
Devil Child Nov 23 #52
Coventina Nov 23 #54
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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:30 AM

1. Why isn't the motive being released?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:35 AM

2. because this isn't TV and crimes aren't resolved in an hour.

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Response to onenote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:40 AM

4. Do you feel better now? Thank you for telling me this was reality and not tv.

I never would have known. How in gods name have I done without your commentary all my life?

The driver is alive and talking. Itís not rocket science.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:45 AM

7. How do you know he's talking?

Investigations take time and need to be done patiently.
I'm sorry if that doesn't fit with your desire for instant gratification.

And if you knew this, why did you post your original question?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 02:35 PM

35. Please share the source you are using that says the driver is "talking." I ask because on the

internet there is a trend of people talking about shit without any facts to back it up.
Please share these facts you are so sure of that I have not seen any mention at all in the media.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:43 AM

5. No motive other than escape.

Seems the driver was fleeing from another crime & went down the parade route un-intentionally.

In the video he weaves past the people in the parade but when the road is blocked by a marching band he just plowed through.

Whatever he did in his previous crime he is now guilty of many counts of murder. I hope he gets death.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:48 AM

11. Thank you.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:52 AM

13. Should be enhanced to felony murder, if he was fleeing from another crime.

At least that is my understanding of the concept.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

15. ...

No death penalty in Wisconsin.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:39 PM

21. I read somewhere that the previous crime

he was fleeing from involved a knife.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:41 PM

24. Looks that way to me too.

He could have killed alot more if that was his only motive. He clearly was avoiding people where he could.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 02:55 PM

37. Plenty of escape routes that didn't take his SUV into the parade

 

around a blocking Shriner parade car. Then line up on he group of dancing child and elderly parade goers. Accelerate into them and through them. Then make a dashing escape back home to reverse into the drive way and await police. Statement made and statement heard. This was a deliberate attack based on everything I know about him, his history, his music, and social media content.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 04:48 PM

41. All the deceased were over 50

They probably didn't have the mobility to get out of the way.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:03 AM

50. Has this been confirmed ? That he was escaping from another crime ?

And what that crime was ?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:47 AM

9. I suspect the city and police department are worried about potential liability

This is my best guess:

From the little pieces of information I've seen here and there, it would seem the driver of the SUV was fleeing from the scene of an earlier knife fight or stabbing. It isn't clear whether he was being pursued by police or not. But if he was being chased by the police, it is possible that the city may face numerous lawsuits from the horrible deaths and injuries at the parade.

If this is the case, they are carefully going over every bit of evidence and statements and police body cameras with the city attorneys.

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:40 PM

22. There was a video at NYT of police pursuing him through the parade route

It was only a few seconds and now has been taken down.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 02:39 PM

36. I saw that too.

A bunch of lawyers are reviewing if they should have broken off the pursuit. That is a commanders call. Bad guy still may have turned down the parade route, but if he was in pursuit, this all becomes a cluster.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:48 AM

10. It's been less than 24 hours, this is the investigation phase

But we know from his rap sheet this guy is a serious offender, with a long list of both property and violent crimes, heís a convicted domestic abuser, heís a drug dealer, heís had charges related to cocaine and meth in the past, heís been violent toward police. Heís exactly the kind of person who would stab someone in a fight and then plow into a parade full of children and grandmothers.

ďIím shocked! He was such a nice guy!Ē Probably isnít going to be coming out of the mouths of his neighbors.

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Response to AkFemDem (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:39 AM

16. Where did you get that information?

Or, is this just speculation?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:24 PM

19. I wondered about that, too, from another thread.

So I looked up his name and discovered that he has a long rap sheet, although I didn't find many specifics on his crimes.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:41 PM

23. Some bot on social media keeps posting this and I cannot find ANY

reputable source.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:17 PM

31. Yep, there is already a criminal history on Twitter this morning

but the poster was a RWNJ so I deleted it. The knee jerk politicizing is harmful......and damn insulting to the injured and dead. Grannies, school kids, it was a Christmas parade for FFS. I would love the cops to dot their i's and cross their t's and take the time to do it right.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 03:04 PM

38. From this article in the WASHINGTON POST...

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Response to AkFemDem (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:48 PM

25. Actually, I believe you should delete this comment

Channel 3000 saying this comes from 2 cops speaking anonymously. That is not reliable information.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:01 PM

29. CNN said they think the driver was fleeing another scene

From the link:

There are indications the driver was fleeing another incident when he drove into the parade route, according to multiple law enforcement sources familiar with preliminary investigation findings.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/waukesha-car-parade-crowd-monday/index.html

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 06:57 PM

42. from what I have read

it sounds like a long-time mentally unstable chronic offender with anger issues

I feel a bit guilty for initially wondering with horror if this was some kind of revenge thing for that double-murdering fascist POS in Wisconsin.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:40 AM

3. Parade

Am I the only confused on why they were having Christmas Parade before Thanksgiving?? Other than that it was a tragic event and was wondering if a police chase was involved since some of the reporting suggests the car was fleeing.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

6. Probably tradition due to the weather

I doubt anyone wants to have a parade in Wisconsin in late December.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:47 AM

8. Decades long tradition of kicking off the holiday season the Sunday before T-Giving.

I suppose they could call it a Thanksgiving parade, like the Macy's parade, but even the Macy's parade, while held on Thanksgiving, is really a Christmas parade.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:50 AM

12. A lot of holiday events happen around Thanksgiving now.

Weather may have something to do with it, but itís a trend Iíve been noticing. After Halloween, basically, itís the holidays.

Police fired a shot to try to get the car to stop. Desperate move, IMO.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

14. Too cold in the Midwest in December

Heck, it's cold in November. That's why I have only attended this parade once. That and I'm not in Christmas mood in November.

It became quite blustery here in the afternoon. Not a good day to be outside.

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Response to Jimbo S (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:20 PM

18. Not true

I live in Minneapolis and we have nightly holiday parades up until Christmas.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:31 PM

20. But those Minnesota Scandinavians

are used to Arctic weather.

My western NY city has a Xmas parade each year on the first Friday evening in December. Usually too cold for me but the route goes past my apartment building so I watch from the window, with my cat, who gets fascinated by the hoopla in the street.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:58 PM

28. We're not all Scandinavian here in MN.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 04:42 PM

39. Of course not. But anyone else

living there surely gets adapted to temperatures that are often the coldest in the country.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 04:42 PM

40. This much is true.

Though the older I get the less I like the cold.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:06 PM

30. Judging from the replies, why yes

You are.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:21 PM

32. Santa Claus coming to town?

I remember the holiday parade when I was a kid, but the town I moved too after I grew up and married was rural and didn't have the big event.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 11:41 AM

17. Presumably the driver will plead self-defense, no?

...

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:50 PM

26. The whole thing leaves me feeling overwhelmed.

Maybe itís the confluence of this horrible tragedy with the two trials of individuals who I frankly consider to be reckless murdering schmucks (YOU, TOO, Kyle R).

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 12:52 PM

27. Off topic: Lame that you have to be a grandmother to join.

You can't just be an older woman who likes to dance?

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Response to Coventina (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:32 PM

33. I wondered about that, too.

Probably because I am a childless woman old enough to be a grandmother who likes to dance.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:49 PM

34. Same

Not only do you have to reproduce, but your children have to reproduce as well?

Seems needlessly exclusive, IMHO.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 07:53 PM

56. Yeah. My mom's an old lady who likes to dance

I'd feel bad if she wanted to and couldn't join this group because of a choice I made, not her!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 06:59 PM

43. yes, that does seem needlessly discriminatory

ya know?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 22, 2021, 10:31 PM

44. Agreed! It's not only a personal choice of yours to have children.

But also a personal choice of someone else (your children)!

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Response to Coventina (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 05:17 AM

45. It's their group. BUT, with that said...

Becoming a grandmother seems to be some kind of status symbol for older women, of whom I am one, and who for various reasons will most likely never be a grandparent unless itís from beyond the grave. And Iím OK with that. My kids are making choices that are best for them, and I would never dare to harangue them about it.

I work with a woman who never fails to STFU about her grandkids and how great they are, almost on a daily basis. She makes a point of letting us know that most of her time off is spent with them, and about everything she does with and for them. I have to watch as she scrolls through her phone showing endless pictures. She talks loudly about how great it is to be a grandma. I get the love, I get the pride, but after awhile itís feels like itís a game of self-centered, insecure, one-upmanship and it gets old and boring. Itís like when some of them were younger and they shat on the unpopular kids or gloated that they made the sorority when others didnít. At times it seems grandparenting is just another clique.

Iím sure the Grannies are fine people, but I really think that this feeling of ďspecial statusĒ is what drives groups like this to some degree. As much as it all really rolls off my back most days, sometimes it does sting. Itís kind of like an extension of how some in society see childless couples, whether thatís by their choice or not.



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 08:43 AM

47. I have seen this trend myself, and I agree completely. N/T

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 08:53 AM

48. I've noticed this myself.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:24 PM

53. Vicarious living.

I find it annoying as well. But some moms are are like that too.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:02 AM

49. i'm guessing if you are a certain age you can join

The term "grandmother" could just be to give it a more affectionate term rather than "elderly ladies" or something like that.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:12 PM

51. No.

The group explicitly says you have to be a grandmother.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 12:55 PM

52. Lame that this is being discussed after 5 of their members were murdered

 

They are grandmothers no more, they will dance no more, their families and friends will never have another day with them. I respectfully disagree with this shift from the OP.

May they Rest In Peace.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 01:53 PM

54. Well, you are free to alert on it if it offends you so. n/t

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 02:19 PM

55. It's clearly marked "Off Topic."

Did you not see that? Long threads here often have sidebars.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 07:43 AM

46. sad...

...and senseless...

...

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