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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:32 PM Nov 2021

Cosby prosecutors urge Supreme Court to restore conviction

Source: AP

By MARYCLAIRE DALE

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Prosecutors urged the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate Bill Cosby’s sexual assault conviction, complaining in a petition released Monday the verdict was thrown out over a questionable agreement that the comic claimed gave him lifetime immunity.

They said the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision in June to overturn Cosby’s conviction created a dangerous precedent by giving a press release the legal weight of an immunity agreement.

Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele called the court’s decision “an indefensible rule,” predicting an onslaught of criminal appeals if it remains law.

“This decision as it stands will have far-reaching negative consequences beyond Montgomery County and Pennsylvania. The U.S. Supreme Court can right what we believe is a grievous wrong,” Steele wrote in the filing, which seeks review under the due process clause of the U.S. Constitution.



FILE - Bill Cosby arrives for his sentencing hearing at the Montgomery County Courthouse, Monday, Sept. 24, 2018, in Norristown, Pa. Prosecutors asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review the decision that overturned Cosby’s conviction. In a petition filed Monday, Nov. 29, 2021 they wrote that courts should not equate a supposed promise made by a former prosecutor to lifetime immunity. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum, File)


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Cosby prosecutors urge Supreme Court to restore conviction (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2021 OP
While I certainly support this action...... MyOwnPeace Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #2
Check the date. n/t Cartoonist Nov 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #7
The picture's from 2018. Igel Nov 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #18
Jurisdiction. Igel Nov 2021 #8
Ah!!!! I see your point....... MyOwnPeace Nov 2021 #14
+ agree. n/t iluvtennis Nov 2021 #11
The Montgomery County District Attorney iemanja Nov 2021 #13
I don't support Cosby, but I question why we as a nation are so interested in justice Dan Nov 2021 #3
Bill Cosby transcends blackness, into richness Tarc Nov 2021 #5
Oh for God's sake. oldsoftie Nov 2021 #12
So, since the victims were women, you don't think the crimes matter? Dr. Strange Nov 2021 #24
Never said that. Dan Nov 2021 #25
good... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #4
Bad former9thward Nov 2021 #10
kind of agree stopdiggin Nov 2021 #16
There is a procedure for granting immunity Kenneth Almquist Nov 2021 #20
On the other hand the court might look at the prosecutor saying he does not intend to prosecute as cstanleytech Nov 2021 #23
While I agree he should be behind bars, the prosecutors screwed up jgmiller Nov 2021 #15
I like the even handed approach stopdiggin Nov 2021 #17
You can't reinstate a conviction after overturning it Polybius Nov 2021 #19
Meh Sgent Nov 2021 #21
Bad idea because prosecutors use the offer of immunity to get people to cooperate in cases cstanleytech Nov 2021 #22

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
1. While I certainly support this action......
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:42 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:11 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish they would be as 'active' regarding Congressional subpoenas for witnesses to Congressional Inquiries!

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MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
14. Ah!!!! I see your point.......
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:18 PM
Nov 2021

these are NOT DOJ people, but rather, 'local/regional' justice people working to protect their own interest in justice and integrity.

However, the same thought applies - just wish the US DOJ would be as 'attentive' and aggressive!

Thanks for the clarification - as some guy here at DU often says, "Justice Matters," and we DO want to do it 'by the books' - but, DAMN, let's get it done!!!!!

Dan

(3,554 posts)
3. I don't support Cosby, but I question why we as a nation are so interested in justice
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:50 PM
Nov 2021

When it applies to people of Color.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
5. Bill Cosby transcends blackness, into richness
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:57 PM
Nov 2021

Like OJ, he left behind his community long, long ago. His prosecution is just about taking down a man of privilege who thought he was untouchable.

Dr. Strange

(25,920 posts)
24. So, since the victims were women, you don't think the crimes matter?
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:52 AM
Nov 2021

Identity politics is a two-edged sword. Be careful when you swing it.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
25. Never said that.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:15 PM
Nov 2021

Just thinking, your shithead ex-president with members of Congress and other notable figures, try to overthrow the government, and the DOJ walks with tippy toes.

Just thinking - how quick the wheels of justice seems to turn.

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
4. good...
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 08:55 PM
Nov 2021

"...a dangerous precedent by giving a press release the legal weight of an immunity agreement."

"The U.S. Supreme Court decides to hear a case based on at least four of the nine Justices of the Supreme Court agreeing to grant the Petition for Certiorari. If four Justices agree to grant the petition, the Supreme Court will consider the case."

...will 4 agree?

...

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
10. Bad
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 09:31 PM
Nov 2021

If the decision was reversed it would mean any statement or agreement by a prosecutor is worthless. It would be subject to reversal whenever someone else came into office. Ridiculous.

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
16. kind of agree
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:31 PM
Nov 2021

holding officials (and LE) of all stripes accountable should be a consistent message from our camp. Not just when it suits - or works to the advantage of our own agenda. If you don't want cops and lawyers playing fast and loose with the rules ...

20. There is a procedure for granting immunity
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:25 AM
Nov 2021

In Pennsylvania, immunity granted by a Court order, which has to be requested by the Attorney General. This cannot be reversed just because a new Attorney General comes into office who doesn't think that immunity should be granted.

On the other hand, prior to the Cosby case, if the Attorney General merely states that he doesn't intend to prosecute, that does not confer immunity. Cosby had not been granted immunity, and therefore had a Fifth Amendment right not to answer any questions when the answer might tend to incriminate him. He chose not to exercise that right, perhaps because in a civil suit the jury is allowed to draw inferences from a refusal to answer questions. His attorneys may have advised him that what the jurors in the civil case would imagine if he pled the Fifth would be worse for his case than the actual answers.

The problem with the Cosby decision is that it muddies the waters. Cosby's attorneys knew that the Attorney General had the ability to make his decision not to prosecute binding on his successors, and had decided not to do so. But now? If the Attorney General decides not to prosecute, but doesn't request a court order making the decision binding, under what circumstances is the decision never the less binding? I don't think that the decision in the Cosby case provides anything close to a clear answer.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
23. On the other hand the court might look at the prosecutor saying he does not intend to prosecute as
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:12 AM
Nov 2021

a bait and switch which the high court generally does frown upon.

jgmiller

(394 posts)
15. While I agree he should be behind bars, the prosecutors screwed up
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:31 PM
Nov 2021

We all get upset when prosecutors send the wrong men to prison and won't back down even when faced with the evidence, this is no different it's just on the other side. Let's face it there are a lot of bad lawyers out there and some of them are prosecutors and they make serious mistakes.

When they make those mistakes people's lives are turned upside down or even put at risk. In this case the victims are the ones who are being punished because of bad lawyers. The supreme court shouldn't do anything with this one.

stopdiggin

(11,302 posts)
17. I like the even handed approach
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 10:36 PM
Nov 2021

(in fact it's essential if you're looking to achieve true justice)
Sauce for the goose - n' all that.

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Polybius

(15,398 posts)
19. You can't reinstate a conviction after overturning it
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:35 PM
Nov 2021

As much as I dislike him and his actions, it was overturned because it had to be.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
21. Meh
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 01:40 AM
Nov 2021

this "dangerous" rule only applies in PA, and nowhere else (and not in federal cases). I don't see any federal issue which supports SCOTUS review.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
22. Bad idea because prosecutors use the offer of immunity to get people to cooperate in cases
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:08 AM
Nov 2021

and testify and reversing this could weaken that.

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