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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 03:48 PM Dec 2021

China Nears a Reckoning as Property Firms Face Tough Deadlines

Source: New York Times

Evergrande and Kaisa must come up with hundreds of millions of dollars in days. Beijing sought to reassure markets overall, but signaled it might let Evergrande fail.

China’s debt-loaded property market is headed for a reckoning, as China Evergrande Group and another troubled housing developer face deadlines for millions of dollars’ worth of payments in a test of Beijing’s narrative that it can handle the threat to the Chinese economy.

Evergrande, with bills totaling $300 billion or more, will need to come up with more than $82 million in cash by the end of Monday in the United States to fend off creditors. The developer said late last week that it was unable to make a separate payment worth $260 million, an indication investors took to mean the beginning of its eventual demise. Its shares tumbled by 20 percent on Monday in Asia.

The other developer in distress, Kaisa Group, must pay bondholders $400 million on Tuesday after it said it failed last week to get approval from investors to renegotiate the terms.

China’s property sector has kept global markets on edge for months, as developers have struggled to find cash to pay their soaring debts. They have been hampered by slowing demand from home buyers, falling property prices in many Chinese cities and Beijing’s crackdown on excessive bank lending.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/business/china-evergrande-kaisa-property.html

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China Nears a Reckoning as Property Firms Face Tough Deadlines (Original Post) Zorro Dec 2021 OP
Can anyone say "2007-2008 economic crash redux"? Ray Bruns Dec 2021 #1
Sure smells like it to me Zorro Dec 2021 #2
Real estate speculation Roy Rolling Dec 2021 #3
Same as it ever was. paleotn Dec 2021 #14
I hope this results in China banks calling in trump's $650m*+ loans he has with them. George II Dec 2021 #4
Chickenfeed compared to what he owes the Russians... Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #5
Don't you mean millions instead of billions? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #7
Oh yeah, good catch. Thanks! George II Dec 2021 #9
The two letters are close enough on the keyboard that we can agree it was a typo. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #10
I wouldn't lend him the price of a cup of black coffee... paleotn Dec 2021 #13
Knowing Trump, TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #15
This was on 60 Minutes Pas-de-Calais Dec 2021 #6
China has as many empty residences as it would take to house the population of France. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2021 #16
Maybe the answer lay with the US government? Say have the US Treasury make offer to China cstanleytech Dec 2021 #8
I wouldn't give them a 1:1 exchange. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #11
Millions of people will lose everything pecosbob Dec 2021 #12
PBOC will start to monetize the debt. roamer65 Dec 2021 #17
I'm pretty stupid with this stuff. What does monetize debt mean exactly? Sapient Donkey Dec 2021 #18
It means the PBOC will create yuan to buy up Evergrande bonds. roamer65 Dec 2021 #19
Oh, so like just print more money? Sapient Donkey Dec 2021 #20
Yup. roamer65 Dec 2021 #21

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. I hope this results in China banks calling in trump's $650m*+ loans he has with them.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 04:13 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Mon Dec 6, 2021, 04:53 PM - Edit history (1)

*corrected from billions.

TexasTowelie

(112,168 posts)
7. Don't you mean millions instead of billions?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 04:39 PM
Dec 2021

I don't know anybody foolish enough to lend hundreds of billions to TFG.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
13. I wouldn't lend him the price of a cup of black coffee...
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 05:38 PM
Dec 2021

and neither would any legitimate financial institution.

Pas-de-Calais

(9,904 posts)
6. This was on 60 Minutes
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 04:27 PM
Dec 2021

China new leader cracking down. Supposedly for the little people. Social media crackdown too. Data is now owned by the government.
Kids can only play games for 3 hours on weekends only. Real estate has hundreds of high rises that are empty and also shopping malls that are empty too

Who do u trust
Govt
Or
Media companies

GOP made noise on taking over media comanies too. Most likely got the idea from China.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
16. China has as many empty residences as it would take to house the population of France.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:06 PM
Dec 2021

65 million vacancies. I'm not at all sure where the "plan" part of "central planning" or "5 year plan" went. Clearly MIA at this point.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
8. Maybe the answer lay with the US government? Say have the US Treasury make offer to China
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 04:47 PM
Dec 2021

that it will assume the entire amount of debt if China will forgive the entire amount of US bonds it owns?

TexasTowelie

(112,168 posts)
11. I wouldn't give them a 1:1 exchange.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 05:04 PM
Dec 2021

If for some reason China had to cash out US bonds to cover the debts, then they would assume a penalty for not holding those bonds to maturity. The US would be in the bargaining position so they should demonstrate what capitalism is all about and make a tidy profit for helping the Chinese to avoid or delay a more serious economic disaster.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
12. Millions of people will lose everything
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 05:30 PM
Dec 2021

Real estate is the only type investment available to most people in China.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
19. It means the PBOC will create yuan to buy up Evergrande bonds.
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 07:17 PM
Dec 2021

Basically converting them to cash.

That ought to get inflation in China roaring.

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