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riversedge

(80,810 posts)
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:10 PM Dec 2021

Dan Crenshaw Tells Americans Not To Comply With Court Mandate Ruling

Source: Crooks and Liars





If you don't comply to the federal mandate, you'll get fired. Will Dan Crenshaw pay your mortgage or rent? Methinks not.


By John Amato — December 19, 2021

On Friday, a federal appeals court reinstated the Biden administration’s vaccine and testing requirement for private businesses, which affects about 80 million American workers.

CNBC reports, "The ruling by the 6th U.S. Court of Appeals in Cincinnati lifted a November injunction that had blocked the rule from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which applies to businesses with at least 100 workers."

On that same night, Rep. Dan Crenshaw of Texas told his hundreds of thousands followers on Twitter not to follow the court's ruling..........................




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Dan Crenshaw Tells Americans Not To Comply With Court Mandate Ruling (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2021 OP
Pro-COVID and Anti-life RazBerryBeret Dec 2021 #1
I wish something worse... BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #21
God, I hate these people............. secondwind Dec 2021 #2
In a better world we would give them humane mental health treatment, Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #24
Poliitcs is not a zero-sum game, fellas. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #3
Why is he not held accountable? Deuxcents Dec 2021 #4
He's inciting people not to follow the law. Isn't that illegal? Doodley Dec 2021 #5
I don't know, didn't... reACTIONary Dec 2021 #18
Civil disobedience is illegal no matter who does it Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #26
An act of civil disobedience is illegal... reACTIONary Dec 2021 #32
It is a much more complex subject then it appears Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #35
What's your opinion in this case? He said... reACTIONary Dec 2021 #36
But the mandate applies to the bussiness not the employees Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #37
Hate speech is legal in America. Not anywhere else in western world, but America special. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #25
It may be stupid speech, but telling people ... reACTIONary Dec 2021 #33
If Dan Crenshaw is not already vaccinated, I will eat my hat. Midnight Writer Dec 2021 #6
Two of the hallmarks of our democracy that we took marybourg Dec 2021 #7
Why does Dan Crenshaw think he can or can't tell me to do anything? greatauntoftriplets Dec 2021 #8
He has an eye for right wing crazy politics. texasfiddler Dec 2021 #9
Snicker. niyad Dec 2021 #15
Haha moose65 Dec 2021 #34
I am very confident that people and businesses will ignore the mandate regardless Orrex Dec 2021 #10
The mandate only applies to those of 100 or more. former9thward Dec 2021 #29
Yeah, that's kind of what I said Orrex Dec 2021 #31
When OSHA makes these rules, it makes it easier on the business owners, don't have to be only one Walleye Dec 2021 #11
Well not always Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #27
No doubt part of the reason OSHA was created Walleye Dec 2021 #28
So True Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #30
GQP are the party of death . . .. Lovie777 Dec 2021 #12
He might as well announce the he wants people to die. sakabatou Dec 2021 #13
Where does he stand on enhancing unemployment? BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #14
His conduct besmirches his own service. paleotn Dec 2021 #16
Republicans have no agenda beyond the destruction of America lonely bird Dec 2021 #17
There is a labor shortage for jobs no one is applying for IronLionZion Dec 2021 #19
This. ancianita Dec 2021 #23
The Navy SEALS seem to be chock full of Trump humping a-holes. Crowman2009 Dec 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Dec 2021 #22
Anybody stupid enough to take advice from Dan Crenshaw deserves the consequences. (nt) Paladin Dec 2021 #38
As Of Yesterday... ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #39
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
24. In a better world we would give them humane mental health treatment,
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 08:38 AM
Dec 2021

And hundreds of thousands of people who clicked a button on Twitter are not followers…they r social media clickers. Not same thing in my encyclopedia.

Use English words properly ffs,…journalist?

Deuxcents

(26,915 posts)
4. Why is he not held accountable?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:22 PM
Dec 2021

Do not comply with court mandates? There are no repercussions? What can the House do if federal laws can’t/don’t ?

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
18. I don't know, didn't...
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:31 PM
Dec 2021

... MLK advocate civil disobedience? Which is advocating breaking the law. Advocating civil disobedience isn't against the law, is it?

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
26. Civil disobedience is illegal no matter who does it
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:13 AM
Dec 2021

Advocates of MLK went to jail, were fined, beaten by cops and arrested for their civil disobedience. By its very nature civil disobedience is illegal. Otherwise it would be called obedience.

Now, if it is moral or not is another issue.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
32. An act of civil disobedience is illegal...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:04 PM
Dec 2021

.... ADVOCATING civil disobedience is not.

In answer to the question "inciting people not to follow the law. Isn't that illegal?" I would say no, at least not in this circumstance.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
35. It is a much more complex subject then it appears
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:34 PM
Dec 2021

In some cases advocating civil disobedience is illegal like incitement. In criminal law, incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime. Depending on the jurisdiction, some or all types of incitement may be illegal. Where illegal, it is known as an inchoate offense, where harm is intended but may or may not have actually occurred.

So, in some cases when an average person would think of it as merely encouragement to civil disobedience, it is actually considered incitement.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
36. What's your opinion in this case? He said...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:39 PM
Dec 2021

... "Do not comply". Setting aside that non-compliance would probably not be crime (you get fired, not arrested) would this be incitement? Seems like he is expressing a negative opinion or at most civil disobedience of an excusable sort.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
37. But the mandate applies to the bussiness not the employees
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:07 PM
Dec 2021

The government makes the business say to their workers "get vaccinated for free or we will test you regularly." And the employee says no I won't get vaccinated and I won't let you test me. Then the corporation says I am required to fire you.

Now it seems to me the employee can say no to both shots and testing and then get fired and that seems to be the end of it. So yeah, the worker can do that and I see it as more of a workplace issue and not really civil disobedience. So, no I don't see it as illegal.

Now if the business decides they will not fire the refusing worker then that would be an actual OSHA violation. Since it's an administrative policy, it is not civil disobedience and administrative consequences would apply like fines, warnings or notices on the business. Since I don't see businesses and corporations as people, I really don't see this as civil disobedience.


 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
25. Hate speech is legal in America. Not anywhere else in western world, but America special.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 08:39 AM
Dec 2021

Nothing more hateful than wanting people to get sick and die, but what you going to do about it…have same kind of hate speech laws that work perfectly fine in many nations, and look ma, no violation of any freedom!

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
33. It may be stupid speech, but telling people ...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:12 PM
Dec 2021

... not to get vaccinated is certainly not hate speech, by any definition applied in any where in the western world.

Any prohibition on "hate speech" is a limitation on freedom of speech, and, IMHO, an unjustified limitation on freedom of speech. As far as I'm concerned that is a fundamental violation of a fundamental freedom.

Midnight Writer

(25,410 posts)
6. If Dan Crenshaw is not already vaccinated, I will eat my hat.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:24 PM
Dec 2021

They are using people as expendable pawns.

The GOP has determined that the more people die, the better their own political fortunes.

It turns my stomach.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
7. Two of the hallmarks of our democracy that we took
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:29 PM
Dec 2021

the most pride in: peaceful transfer power, even after a heavily contested election, and complying with Supreme Court orders, even when you disagreed with it, have now been trashed by the publican party.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
10. I am very confident that people and businesses will ignore the mandate regardless
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:39 PM
Dec 2021

Because a great many people are, after all, ignorant racist fuckheads, and a great many businesses will pander to the ignorant racist fuckheads to the exclusion of anyone else.

100-person businesses will likely comply out of basic corporate survival mode, but very few small businesses will elect to follow the mandate, and many will broadcast that fact proudly.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
29. The mandate only applies to those of 100 or more.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:00 AM
Dec 2021

Small businesses are not required to follow it.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
31. Yeah, that's kind of what I said
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:52 PM
Dec 2021

More's the pity. The mandate should apply to all businesses with more than 1 employee.

Walleye

(44,806 posts)
11. When OSHA makes these rules, it makes it easier on the business owners, don't have to be only one
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:09 PM
Dec 2021

For the most part businesses like it when the government sets the rules. So they don’t have to be the only one looking like villains

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
27. Well not always
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:24 AM
Dec 2021

I remember from my history books the slogan around the 1900s "Factories are made for children and children are made for factories."

That was when the filthy rich wanted to keep child labor rules and other safety precautions out of factories. There were so many dismemberings caused by factory work, whole towns looked like they had been involved in mass battles or wars.

The filthy rich usually always fight safety requirements being imposed on their favorite profit extraction systems.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
14. Where does he stand on enhancing unemployment?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 08:30 PM
Dec 2021

He might as well be saying - Quit your jobs and stand in the bread line.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
16. His conduct besmirches his own service.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:03 PM
Dec 2021

He lost an eye for nothing. Pathetic, really. He disgusts me.

lonely bird

(2,941 posts)
17. Republicans have no agenda beyond the destruction of America
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:24 PM
Dec 2021

This is what they want, period.

Anyone who votes Republican supports the destruction of America, period.

IronLionZion

(51,268 posts)
19. There is a labor shortage for jobs no one is applying for
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 09:50 PM
Dec 2021

so these folks who get fired for noncompliance can always work in sawmills, meatpacking, or restaurant service.

Joe Manchin must be creating tons of mining jobs by blocking BBB so these folks can dig coal.

Inflation might be a bit worse for folks who lose their income.

Crowman2009

(3,524 posts)
20. The Navy SEALS seem to be chock full of Trump humping a-holes.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:45 PM
Dec 2021

Who the hell would want be around them 24/7?

Response to riversedge (Original post)

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
38. Anybody stupid enough to take advice from Dan Crenshaw deserves the consequences. (nt)
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:20 PM
Dec 2021

ProfessorGAC

(76,704 posts)
39. As Of Yesterday...
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 05:53 PM
Dec 2021

Over 200 million people are fully vaxxed. More than 60% of the total population (and there's still an age group ineligible) is fully vaxxed. Another 40 million have had the first shot. Finally, 63 million people have been boosted.
So, this intransigence on the part of morons like Crenshaw seems to be falling on deaf ears, aside from the 20% that will never get vaxxed, and don't need his approval or support.
He just spitting into the wind, and it's damned convenient because that fool is vaccinated.
Besides, many companies decided to do it without regard to the mandate, because it's good business.
Of course, a guy who worships a business failure like TFG wouldn't understand the first thing about good business.

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